WH pushes back after Rand Paul suggests Trump asked him to deliver letter to Putin

[Aratus]

Quite frankly I do think SENATOR RAND PAUL is not lying, and he was practically wearing
a WESTERN UNION uniform as he took a proverbial candy-gram message to a Russian bear
with an infamous sweat tooth. No... Rand NEVER was recruited by KGB Mister John McCain!

[timosman]

Quite frankly I do think SENATOR RAND PAUL is not lying, and he was practically wearing
a WESTERN UNION uniform as he took a proverbial candy-gram message to a Russian bear
with an infamous sweat tooth. No... Rand NEVER was recruited by KGB Mister John McCain!

Have you ever thought of expressing yourself in a way that would make it easier to parse for people who are not currently "medicated"?

[Aratus]

Are you OK?

Luv... Are U Okaaay?
Like U know you toss B.S
at us like its a Caesar salad.
Like a steady hash house joint that
Needs its 24 hour makeover.
By CHEF RAMSEY. Ought
I to do a poll on WHY SENATOR Rand
is not lying, or may happen one on
How MIKE PENCE looks more C-I-C lately.....???

[Aratus]

Have you ever thought of expressing yourself in a way that would make it easier to parse for people who are not currently "medicated"?

LUV.... You dislike MY coffee driven GONZO? Becuz it's a WATERGATE era artForm?

[timosman]

LUV.... You dislike MY coffee driven GONZO? Becuz it's a WATERGATE era artForm?

I would like to remind you the current year is 2018. Maybe it is time to give up on your antics?

[Aratus]

Let's try to have a dispassion driven discussion for once.

Rand Paul had a trip abroad. FACT.
Rand Paul is a U.S senator. FACT.
He said he had this letter. FACT.

Usually even his political opponents say he seldom if ever lies. FACT.
The letter was above board and most likely meant to be read by at least one Russian. FACT.
To understand the letter better, it must be placed inside a historic context. FACT.
An educated guess places things inside the recent summit as a backdrop. MY OPINE!
I understand WHY we all once again are trying to figure out what Trump is trying to do. ((((drumrolls))))


I think that DJT has lied to us more often in ONE POTUS YEAR
than RMN did over his unhappy SIX. THIS IS MY OPINION.

Again I must ask you if you think poor Doctor Randal Paul was either lying to us
or just a tad confused! Do be polite.

Give me an INTELLIGENT answer that is not knee jerk claptrap.
Presidents have to be diplomatic. Trump often lies.

[timosman]

Let's try to have a dispassion driven discussion for once.

Rand Paul had a trip abroad. FACT.
Rand Paul is a U.S senator. FACT.
He said he had this letter. FACT.

Usually even his political opponents say he seldom if ever lies. FACT.
The letter was above board and most likely meant to be read by at least one Russian. FACT.
To understand the letter better, it must be placed inside a historic context. FACT.
An educated guess places things inside the recent summit as a backdrop. MY OPINE!
I understand WHY we all once again are trying to figure out what Trump is trying to do. ((((drumrolls))))


I think that DJT has lied to us more often in ONE POTUS YEAR
than RMN did over his unhappy SIX. THIS IS MY OPINION.

Again I must ask you if you think poor Doctor Randal Paul was either lying to us
or just a tad confused! Do be polite.

Give me an INTELLIGENT answer that is not knee jerk claptrap.
Presidents have to be diplomatic. Trump often lies.

No $#@!s given.

[Aratus]

I would like to remind you the current year is 2018. Maybe it is time to give up on your antics?

Dude, I swear... All THE Donald has to do is fire Jeff Sessions,
Robert Mueller and nice Mister "R" in the same 48 hour
time period and the D.C era $#@!Storm will sink his presidency
in manner that is more seedy than Richard M. Nixon's!
He is starting to look like as if the GOP has to do an exorcism
in order to dislodge RMN's soul from DJT's aging body...

[Aratus]

No $#@!s given.

You do concede that wily ole Mister Trump often lies but nice young Rand Paul often is VERY honest?

[Aratus]

Let's try to have a dispassion driven discussion for once.

Rand Paul had a trip abroad. FACT.
Rand Paul is a U.S senator. FACT.
He said he had this letter. FACT.



I think that DJT has lied to us more often in ONE POTUS YEAR
than RMN did over his unhappy SIX. THIS IS MY OPINION.

Again I must ask you if you think poor Doctor Randal Paul was either lying to us
or just a tad confused! Do be polite...

Let's do a reboot. Honest answer time...
Give me an intelligent reply for once.

[Aratus]

I would like to remind you the current year is 2018. Maybe it is time to give up on your antics?

Yes... I know the year is 2018 and that vintage GONZO that feels like 1973 feels like as if
it's a missive from 1973 that was in a time capsule for 45 years. Yes. Like as if DJT can be
compared to RMN easily and readily, like I had to live for four decades to have the epiphanies
HUNTER S. THOMPSON did when rumDrunk and puking his guts up on his diary pages. Do be
pleased that I am not also comparing our POTUS to LELAND PALMER or saying what TWIN
PEAKs was like back in the day. I am being polite. Leland Palmer or BEN HORNE? You decide!

[Aratus]

Tell you what! You quit badgering the regulars and I will tone down my gonzo.

[pcosmar]

I would like to remind you the current year is 2018. Maybe it is time to give up on your antics?

Some of us have understood the posting style for years,, (though it did concern me at first when it started making sense.)

Tim is obviously "out of tune".

[r3volution 3.0]

I think there is a good chance Rand gets endorsed in the primaries by President Trump in 2024.

Right, and I'm probably going to be killed by an asteroid in the next 17.36 minutes.

[r3volution 3.0]

By who? Somebody already tried by kicking his ribs in. And before that by shooting at him while he practiced baseball.

By Rand, obviously.

Rand ought to have stopped pandering to illiterate hobos - such as yourself - some months ago.

This would have improved his standing among people who matter.

[r3volution 3.0]

Demonstrably wrong.

Does he have total influence? Absolutely not.

But he may have more influence than any other single individual.

The best influence...

So much influence that the President will increase the national deb more than Obama.

[r3volution 3.0]

This isn't a 5 minute news cycle thing, its a narrative the neocons have been pushing for over a year now. They started pushing this narrative when Rand was pushing for less expansions of NATO. Rand can't ever run for political office with support like yours though. You give the media narrative credibility when all you do is criticize Rand Paul, he will never accomplish anything with people working against him because they don't like his approach or strategy and cast doubt on his goals and aspirations. If you ever supported liberty you should be singing praise for the beatings Rand has taken trying to protect yours.

The reality is simple and tragic:

1. Rand has no influence whatsoever in the Trump whitehouse.

--claims to the contrary are designed to get you, libertarians, to support the white house

2. Rand believes, mistakenly, that the way to gain influence is to suck up to the President.

This means that by 2020, Trump will have no opponent; and that by 2024, it will be far too late.

[timosman]

The reality is simple and tragic:

1. Rand has no influence whatsoever in the Trump whitehouse.

--claims to the contrary are designed to get you, libertarians, to support the white house

2. Rand believes, mistakenly, that the way to gain influence is to suck up to the President.

This means that by 2020, Trump will have no opponent; and that by 2024, it will be far too late.

Are you always this right, Nostradamus?

[r3volution 3.0]

Are you always this right, Nostradamus?

Only every other Tuesday

P.S. ..et al

[specsaregood]

I would like to remind you the current year is 2018. Maybe it is time to give up on your antics?

You really should try reading some Hunter Thompson. I'm partial to Better Than Sex: Confessions of a Political Junkie as it covers parts of the 1992 presidential campaign which was the first campaign I really paid attention to. His description of first meeting/interviewing Bill Clinton is great all by itself.

excerpt:

...diner called Doe's Eat Place (which I will hereafter and previously refer to as Doe's Cafe, because like cafe and I can't stand the cuteness of the other)...
I nodded meekly and sat down in a tin chair at what was either the Head or the Foot of the table, thinking that the Candidate would naturally sit at the Other End, far out of reach of me.
But no. The creepy bastard quickly sat down right next to me, about two feet away, and fixed me with a sleepy-looking stare that made me very uneasy. His eyes had narrowed to slits, and at first I thought he was dozing off.

[timosman]

You really should try reading some Hunter Thompson. I'm partial to Better Than Sex: Confessions of a Political Junkie as it covers parts of the 1992 presidential campaign which was the first campaign I really paid attention to. His description of first meeting/interviewing Bill Clinton is great all by itself.

excerpt:

I don't think anybody needs convincing Clinton is a creep.

[eleganz]

The reality is simple and tragic:

1. Rand has no influence whatsoever in the Trump whitehouse.

--claims to the contrary are designed to get you, libertarians, to support the white house

2. Rand believes, mistakenly, that the way to gain influence is to suck up to the President.

Yes this explains clearly why Trump called Rand out of the blue to get his take on healthcare policies and why they stayed in touch regularly during that saga.
Oh and what eventually came out of all of that communication and apparently golfing, is now the ability to buy health insurance across state lines, ocare individual mandate repealed and a new healthcare association program.

[r3volution 3.0]

Yes this explains clearly why Trump called Rand out of the blue to get his take on healthcare policies and why they stayed in touch regularly during that saga.

What was the result of that public relations event, in terms of legislation?

Oh and what eventually came out of all of that communication and apparently golfing, is now the ability to buy health insurance across state lines, ocare individual mandate repealed and a new healthcare association program.

Oh, good, we now have a free market in medicine (it's not like more than half of all Americans are "insured" by the federal government, or private insurance is required to cover preexisting conditions [i.e.actual insurance is illegal]).

[eleganz]

What was the result of that public relations event, in terms of legislation?



Oh, good, we now have a free market in medicine (it's not like more than half of all Americans are "insured" by the federal government, or private insurance is required to cover preexisting conditions [i.e.actual insurance is illegal]).

So what is your point? Nothing is enough for you? You are someone I think is a cool liberty dude on RPF (honestly) but you're just dreaming if you want everything go to the perfect way. We gotta get out of the libertarian fantasies because the zero sum game gets us nothing.

Believe me, I would've loved the repeal to happen if McCain did not vote no, but we didn't get that, so we got something else and Rand got some credit. I'm HAPPY with that for now.

There is no point to dog on Rand for doing what he can, when the opportunity presents. Do you expect Trump to be his bitch? It seems like it, even though it'll never happen. He is the top dawg, and everyone is second fiddle, who cares, at least he's open to marijuana legalization, auditing the fed and a host of other issues we care about. I don't expect Trump to be a champion of liberty nor do I expect him to go our way on every issue.

We gotta be real with ourselves, Rand is a second term junior senator but somehow wields more power than most of the US Senate and is in regular communication with and has influenced POTUS on more than one libertarian issue. When is the last time this has happened?

[r3volution 3.0]

So what is your point?

Claims about economic reform under this administration are preposterous.

Worse, they undermine people (all 3 or 4 or them) who are trying to do actual reform.

Nothing is enough for you?

No, nothing isn't enough for me.

I require something.

In the absence of something, I'm inclined to point out that the current administration is horse$#@!.

You are someone I think is a cool liberty dude on RPF (honestly) but you're just dreaming if you want everything go to the perfect way. We gotta get out of the libertarian fantasies because the zero sum game gets us nothing.

I hear you, but the current political situation gets us nothing (NOTHING) in terms of policy, and also destroys our position within the party.

There is no point to dog on Rand for doing what he can, when the opportunity presents. Do you expect Trump to be his bitch? It seems like it, even though it'll never happen. He is the top dawg, and everyone is second fiddle, who cares, at least he's open to marijuana legalization, auditing the fed and a host of other issues we care about.

We gotta be real with ourselves, Rand is a second term junior senator but somehow wields more power than most of the US Senate and is in regular communication with and has influenced POTUS on more than one libertarian issue. When is the last time this has happened?

I'm not trying to dog on Rand; he's the best Senator we have, and probably the best we'll have for some decades.

But he's not using what little influence he has in the most effective way.

....not that it would really matter.

Libertarians won't have meaningful influence within the party until Trumpian nationalism is defeated.

[timosman]

Libertarians won't have meaningful influence within the party until Trumpian nationalism is defeated.

The patient suffers from a severe TDS. Daily enemas for a week. Next!

[Aratus]

Dude... The lil ole WaPo got to look at Ms.O's NEW book about the year or so she spent with DJT.
If W.H "panties" are in a knot over her opines, on top of her brief TMZ interview, pop popcorn
and tune into her stint on MEET THE PRESS tomorrow. (Or is it "Face The Nation"...?) Have fun!

[Aratus]

The !!!!!quickedit!!!!!!

Oh shut the "F" up!!!

[Swordsmyth]

Dude... The lil ole WaPo got to look at Ms.O's NEW book about the year or so she spent with DJT.
If W.H "panties" are in a knot over her opines, on top of her brief TMZ interview, pop popcorn
and tune into her stint on MEET THE PRESS tomorrow. (Or is it "Face The Nation"...?) Have fun!

No thanks, Fake News rots the brain.

[Aratus]

No thanks, Fake News rots the brain.

Avoid FAUX NEWz