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    Sen. RAND PAUL is under attack by the establishment left AND right

    I worked two years for Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and witnessed a man who is principled and a fighter. That is why it angers me to see some accusing him of running away from his core beliefs because he announced his support for the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to be a justice on the U.S. Supreme Court. Sen. Paul had expressed reservations because of Kavanaugh’s limited view of the Fourth Amendment yet agreed to support after meeting with the nominee.

    Most of the attacks are coming from individuals who never liked Senator Paul’s brand of libertarian-ish Republicanism. These know-it-all opinion writers also distain the likes of Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah), Reps. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) and Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), because they are fighting against the establishment of both parties in Washington. The attacks on Senator are more emotional and not supported by the facts.

    James Hasson wrote in the Washington Examiner on July 31, 2018, a snarky piece accusing Senator Paul of “hypocrisy.” Hasson clearly did no research or willfully mislead his handful of readers when he asserted “by now, we are all used to the Kentucky Republican’s defenses of his (allegedly) deeply held principles. According to Rand, his career in the Senate is that of a man who has fought doggedly for civil liberties, reduced spending, and conservative values. Except he has not done those things.” Had Hasson been honest he could have cited Sen. Paul’s 2013 filibuster that lasted 13-hours to delay the confirmation of President Barack Obama’s liberal nominee for the CIA, John Brennan, as contrary evidence.

    Hasson argued that Senator Paul engages in “stunts” attention of the cameras. This is false and I am an eye witness. I was with Senator Paul when he filibustered the Brennan nomination and he had no idea that it became the news story of the day, until House members and other Senators streamed to the Senate floor and told him. Hasson seems like one of those establishment Republican types who dislikes Senator Paul’s vocal opposition to continued engagements in Afghanistan and willingness to engage in diplomacy with traditional enemies like North Korea, Iran and Russia.

    Hasson attacked Senator Paul for opposing an effort to partially repeal Obamacare. That bill would have put Republicans on the record of support for the most corrosive elements of President Obama’s health care law – Sen. Paul was right to oppose. Republicans campaigned on fully repealing Obamacare, yet when the rubber hit the road only Sen. Paul was willing to stand up against the Republican Party selling out a core platform promise. Hasson also hit Senator Paul for proposing a budget that slashed foreign aid to all nations, including Israel. Cutting all foreign aid has been something that limited government conservatives have supported for years.

    Hasson claimed that Sen. Paul had not fought “doggedly” for reduced spending and conservative values. We can call this “gaslighting” or a fact free assertion, because it is provably false. When the Senate Republican leadership tried to bully Senators into passing a budget that added $300 billion in spending over the next two years, Senator Paul was the one who shut down the government by demanding a vote on one amendment. And to Hasson’s equally baseless claim that Senator Paul is not conservative enough, he might want to refer to the scorecards of Freedom Works (98 percent lifetime score), Heritage Action (91 percent lifetime score) and the American Conservative Union (96.09 lifetime score).

    Tina Ngyun wrote for Vanity Fair on July 31, 2018 an equally snarky attack titled “Rand Paul Dumps His Principles for a Romance with Trump” that made the case that “once the G.O.P’s resident iconoclast the “libertarian-ish” senator and the authoritarian-curious president have become unlikely allies.” Ngyun wrote, “Paul has built an unlikely relationship of sorts with Trump” and “the two have reportedly become simpatico, chatting frequently and occasionally golfing together.” Ironically, and according to FiveThirtyEight, Senator Paul (voted in line with Trump position only 74.0 percent of the time) making the senator the least likely Republican to vote for a Trump supported priority. It is factually incorrect to state that Sen. Paul is in a political “romance” with Trump when Sen. Paul ranks behind Sens. Susan Collins of Maine (78.9 percent) Mike Lee of Utah (81.6 percent), Lisa Murkowski of Alaska (82.7 percent), John McCain of Arizona (83.0 percent) and Jeff Flake of Arizona (83.3 percent) in voting with the president. Yet again, facts have been pushed aside to push a fake storyline.

    The bottom line is that Senator Paul is a solid conservative who is friendly with President Trump, yet his voting record shows that he is one of the few willing to stand up to the president when the president veers away from conservative policy. Opinion editors, and Never-Paul types like Bret Stephens of the New York Times, take great pleasure in attacking Senator Rand Paul because they are more interested in defending the status quo and hating on President Trump then moving the ball forward on a limited government style of conservatism that is being pushed by the libertarian-ish members of the Republican Party occupying the D.C. swamp.

    Brian Darling is a former staffer for Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kent.) and founder of the D.C. based firm Liberty Government Affairs.
    http://dailycaller.com/2018/08/03/ra...eft-and-right/
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    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

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    Randal is doing fine, the fact that the "left" and the "right" are attacking him proves that.

    He is cordial and supportive to Trump, because the fact is, after all the hollering and dust settles, Trump is moving the ball forward on a number of fronts in significant ways, from de-militarizing the Korean peninsula, to regulatory rollback, to pardons of people wrongly caught up in the grist mill of the US "justice" system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Randal is doing fine, the fact that the "left" and the "right" are attacking him proves that.

    He is cordial and supportive to Trump, because the fact is, after all the hollering and dust settles, Trump is moving the ball forward on a number of fronts in significant ways, from de-militarizing the Korean peninsula, to regulatory rollback, to pardons of people wrongly caught up in the grist mill of the US "justice" system.
    I agree. Those that thought he would be another Ron Paul should have disabused themselves of that thinking long ago. But, on his own merit, if there were 99 other Senators that thought like him, voted like him, acted like him, this country would be in a hell of a better place than it is now.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I agree. Those that thought he would be another Ron Paul should have disabused themselves of that thinking long ago. But, on his own merit, if there were 99 other Senators that thought like him, voted like him, acted like him, this country would be in a hell of a better place than it is now.
    Yeah, that was a bitter pill for me to swallow, but I've come to terms with it, because you are right, we'd all be better with 99 more Rands.

    I took a while to come to terms with that on Trump as well, but, as I said, the fact is he is making progress, albeit in a scatterbrained, drunken monkey manner that is baffling to try and suss out.

    I'm beginning to think that was the plan all along: to madden his opposition to the point of lunacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I agree. Those that thought he would be another Ron Paul should have disabused themselves of that thinking long ago. But, on his own merit, if there were 99 other Senators that thought like him, voted like him, acted like him, this country would be in a hell of a better place than it is now.
    If we had 99 senators like Randal, I think he would be even more like his old man. Because that would give him the freedom to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yeah, that was a bitter pill for me to swallow, but I've come to terms with it, because you are right, we'd all be better with 99 more Rands.

    I took a while to come to terms with that on Trump as well, but, as I said, the fact is he is making progress, albeit in a scatterbrained, drunken monkey manner that is baffling to try and suss out.

    I'm beginning to think that was the plan all along: to madden his opposition to the point of lunacy.
    It's a political version of Zui Quan.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zui_quan

    Many aspects of drunken boxing are specialized towards deception: continuous bobbing and weaving and slipping, feigning instability and lack of focus, attacking from unusual angles and seemingly weak positions, sudden changes of momentum, compounding multiple attacks with the same limb, use of blind-spots and visual distractions, changing game plans in mid-fight and employing concealed or improvised weapons.
    If that's not a spot-on description of Trump's political style, I don't know what is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I'm beginning to think that was the plan all along: to madden his opposition to the point of lunacy.
    Well, that is working in spades. Lol. And, personally, I'm fine with it. Ecstatic. And I'm talking both the liberals AND the neo-Cons.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    and sometimes his "neighbor"

    Please tell me why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I agree. Those that thought he would be another Ron Paul should have disabused themselves of that thinking long ago. But, on his own merit, if there were 99 other Senators that thought like him, voted like him, acted like him, this country would be in a hell of a better place than it is now.
    If there were 50 other Senators who voted and acted like Ron Paul, then Rand Paul would vote and act like Ron Paul. The reason he doesn't do the things the way his dad did is because he is the only guy in the Senate who wants to vote that way and so he has to be smart and gather political capital and then use that political capital to the best of his ability in order to gain the most freedom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    If we had 99 senators like Randal, I think he would be even more like his old man. Because that would give him the freedom to do that.
    ^^^THIS^^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    If there were 50 other Senators who voted and acted like Ron Paul, then Rand Paul would vote and act like Ron Paul. The reason he doesn't do the things the way his dad did is because he is the only guy in the Senate who wants to vote that way and so he has to be smart and gather political capital and then use that political capital to the best of his ability in order to gain the most freedom.
    He also realizes that half a loaf is better than none, if you are going to follow that philosophy you must be careful to know when a full loaf is available so you don't take half instead but it is far more common that the full loaf is unavailable so you will make more progress than the "all or nothing" crowd.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Rands doing fine. Hes had to put up with them for the past few years.
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    Opinion editors, and Never-Paul types like Bret Stephens of the New York Times, take great pleasure in attacking Senator Rand Paul because they are more interested in defending the status quo and hating on President Trump then moving the ball forward on a limited government style of conservatism that is being pushed by the libertarian-ish members of the Republican Party occupying the D.C. swamp.
    Matt Collins in a nutshell.
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    Amash is wrong...

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    Well, Rand mostly lost me with this. He had an opportunity to take his "undecided" status to hearings and bring attention to things which he supposedly cares about.

    But instead he is just acting like a Trump shill.

    Rand isn't quite the enemy. Trump is. But I don't see how this "strategy" works (if you can even call it one) when it involves looking the other way when he could be fighting for liberty in the face of tyranny.
    Authoritarianism and neoconservatism cannot be made great again.
    Trump was an enemy of Ron Paul, before he was an enemy of Rand Paul, before he was an enemy of the Freedom Caucus.
    One thing that he has remained consistent in is his hate of liberty and those who promote it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Neocon View Post
    Well, Rand mostly lost me with this. He had an opportunity to take his "undecided" status to hearings and bring attention to things which he supposedly cares about.

    But instead he is just acting like a Trump shill.

    Rand isn't quite the enemy. Trump is. But I don't see how this "strategy" works (if you can even call it one) when it involves looking the other way when he could be fighting for liberty in the face of tyranny.
    If he can't stop Kavanaugh or if he isn't needed to stop Kavanaugh then he may be able to get something in return for his support for a justice that is still an improvement over Kennedy instead of nothing for a protest vote.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Why did Rand support Kavanaugh? I don't think he was even close to being the best choice. He's likely far better than the likes of the old hag and the other womyn, but I'd say that other woman whose name escapes me would have been the better choice.

    I do wish Ginsburg would do the nation a favor and either retire or die. I don't much care which. I read that there are people offering her body organs in order to sustain her life for as long as possible just to keep Trump beyond the reach of another SCOTUS appointment. Lefties are retards, by and large.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Why did Rand support Kavanaugh? I don't think he was even close to being the best choice. He's likely far better than the likes of the old hag and the other womyn, but I'd say that other woman whose name escapes me would have been the better choice.

    I do wish Ginsburg would do the nation a favor and either retire or die. I don't much care which. I read that there are people offering her body organs in order to sustain her life for as long as possible just to keep Trump beyond the reach of another SCOTUS appointment. Lefties are retards, by and large.
    Unfortunately for us Rand doesn't get to make the choice, if his vote doesn't make the difference between Kavanaugh being approved or not or if he knows that Trump's next choice will be worse he may be doing the best he can.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    If he can't stop Kavanaugh or if he isn't needed to stop Kavanaugh then he may be able to get something in return for his support for a justice that is still an improvement over Kennedy instead of nothing for a protest vote.
    What has he gotten so far from the authoritarian dotard?
    Authoritarianism and neoconservatism cannot be made great again.
    Trump was an enemy of Ron Paul, before he was an enemy of Rand Paul, before he was an enemy of the Freedom Caucus.
    One thing that he has remained consistent in is his hate of liberty and those who promote it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Neocon View Post
    What has he gotten so far from the authoritarian dotard?
    The only thing that can be proven so far that I can remember is the health insurance thing, there have however been many other things that could have been due to Rand's influence and there are other things that Trump has promised but has not yet accomplished, in the end it boils down to whether you trust Rand and his judgement or not, I trust Rand and I believe that he has influenced many things like the Bundy pardons and that his influence is growing.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Neocon View Post
    Well, Rand mostly lost me with this.

    Ok so where you going next?
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    ...on his [Rand Paul's] own merit, if there were 99 other Senators that thought like him, voted like him, acted like him, this country would be in a hell of a better place than it is now.
    Exactly right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Why did Rand support Kavanaugh? I don't think he was even close to being the best choice. He's likely far better than the likes of the old hag and the other womyn, but I'd say that other woman whose name escapes me would have been the better choice.

    I do wish Ginsburg would do the nation a favor and either retire or die. I don't much care which. I read that there are people offering her body organs in order to sustain her life for as long as possible just to keep Trump beyond the reach of another SCOTUS appointment. Lefties are retards, by and large.
    I'd say in the end that it comes down to mid-terms. There wouldn't be enough time to confirm and push another conservative through before then.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    Ok so where you going next?
    He's still the best Senator and I believe in supporting all the people who are better than their opposition. However he's not someone I "trust". Amash is the best person in Congress now.
    Authoritarianism and neoconservatism cannot be made great again.
    Trump was an enemy of Ron Paul, before he was an enemy of Rand Paul, before he was an enemy of the Freedom Caucus.
    One thing that he has remained consistent in is his hate of liberty and those who promote it.



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