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    Project 100%, warrantless searches of welfare recipients

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/unfiltere...204904154.html

    Project 100%, a program launched in 1997 and currently managed by the San Diego County’s Health and Human Services Agency, employs investigators to go into the homes of potential welfare recipients in order to further verify eligibility for government aid.

    In 2006, the Ninth Circuit upheld the constitutionality of Project 100% and ruled that the home search was not in violation of the Fourth Amendment, which protects a person’s right to refuse. Halpern was taken aback: “It’s shocking, I think, for anyone of us who has been raised to think that there are certain minimum thresholds of decency that the Constitution protects … I don’t know how they could parse it out and find a different result.”

    In a statement to Yahoo News, Project 100% stated that the program “finds fraud in, on average, 6% of [welfare] applications. The employees assigned to this program also frequently connect applicants to other nonprofit and government programs, as well as potential job opportunities, to help them break the cycle of poverty.”

    Meeting minutes of a San Diego County district attorney roundtable on Feb. 8, 1997, detail the workers of the public assistance fraud unit complaining about the low number of fraud referrals. As a result, supervising district attorney investigator Frank Reid proposed home searches as part of the requirements for welfare. The idea was well-received, and Project 100% began operations that year.

    “I’m not a person who has a gripe against government being government, because I think that at the bottom, government has a mandate to take care of its people. It has a mandate to hold people accountable. It has a mandate to try to keep us honest,” says Halpern. “So, if you want to keep your jobs, great. But how about if we do this: How about, if instead of doing 10 searches a day of parents’ homes whose applications are profoundly innocent, OK? How about if you devote some of your manpower to consumer protection of all the ways that low-income people get taken advantage of?”





    I think this is a bit hypocritical and ironic, he asks for government to make "us" honest and accountable but has a problem when they search your place.

    In any case, your on the government dole, your the governments beeotch and play by their rules if you want what they give you. Otherwise you might have to move out of that beach bungalow you can't afford and move to where you can afford to live.
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    End welfare.

    Taking government money makes you subject to government conditions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    End welfare.

    Taking government money makes you subject to government conditions.
    Compassion has its limits.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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    Only six percent ? They are not working hard enough .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    End welfare.

    Taking government money makes you subject to government conditions.
    But not corporate welfare. Because reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    But not corporate welfare. Because reasons.
    Tell us more about your reasons not to end corporate welfare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Only six percent ? They are not working hard enough .
    You can not be too hard on welfare recipients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    But not corporate welfare. Because reasons.
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    Unconstitutional muthafukkers.

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    Sleep with the dogs and wake up with the fleas.


    I'm all for anything that gets people to eschew government programs. Whether, it's welfare, education, health care... Is it right? Hell no. But the face of government needs to be shown to people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    You can not be too hard on welfare recipients.
    If I was running that division of Stasi I would be at 50 percent fraud at the end of one week moving to 60 percent by week two. By week three people would turn themselves in as unqualified , seeking employment to make payments.
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    But not corporate welfare. Because reasons.
    Oh, of course recipients of corporate welfare are immune to searches. He firmly believes corporations deserve more rights than individuals--and even foreign corporations deserve more rights than American individuals.

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    I'm all for anything that gets people to eschew government programs. Whether, it's welfare, education, health care... Is it right? Hell no. But the face of government needs to be shown to people.
    Me, too--including not giving it to people who work full time. If a company can't pay their full time employees enough to live, let them do without employees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Me, too--including not giving it to people who work full time. If a company can't pay their full time employees enough to live, let them do without employees.
    Just another form of corporate welfare to me. The government is subsidizing the labor costs of businesses with low-skilled employees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Just another form of corporate welfare to me. The government is subsidizing the labor costs of businesses with low-skilled employees.
    Yes, it's more corporate welfare. Amazing how few people understand how individual welfare is corporate welfare.

    Corporations can afford more congressmen than low wage workers can. And so-called conservatives argue that it's fine to limit brib--er, I mean campaign contributions by American individuals, but not foreign corporations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Oh, of course recipients of corporate welfare are immune to searches. He firmly believes corporations deserve more rights than individuals--and even foreign corporations deserve more rights than American individuals.

    That is not what I believe and the quotes you cited do not say that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Yes, it's more corporate welfare. Amazing how few people understand how individual welfare is corporate welfare.

    Corporations can afford more congressmen than low wage workers can. And so-called conservatives argue that it's fine to limit brib--er, I mean campaign contributions by American individuals, but not foreign corporations.
    I don't want any limits on campaign contributions for any Americans, McCain-Feingold limited independent speech for anyone who got together in any kind of group, I would consider barring any corporation from making campaign contributions but only if they were allowed to speak on their own as much as they wanted.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    But not corporate welfare. Because reasons.
    Let's end that too.

    People ask me "What about corporate welfare"? I say, yep, end that too. Agriculture subsidies etc..

    In fact, I think we ought to have a flat tax rate in accordance to what people want corporate taxes to be. Tax corporations 35%? ok, that then becomes the flat tax rate. People and business want low taxes, they just want them for themselves and make the other guy pay.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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    Why would they need a warrant when the resident invites them inside voluntarily to get something they want?
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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