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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    I need to go to the Casino, because here is another one from just a month ago. I am so lucky.

    Korean relatives bid emotional farewell after reunions
    https://www.foxnews.com/world/korean...after-reunions



    You like that smell? wanna try to lick it off your chops, puppy?

    Were you also lucky in 2015 and 2014?

    Korean families torn by war six decades ago rejoice in reunions

    Tue September 8, 2015

    Families split by the war and division of North and South Korea will reunite in a brief series of meetings next month, South Korea's Unification Ministry said in a statement.

    The Koreas have agreed to allow the reunion of 100 people from each country for six days from October 20 to 26. This will be the first meetings between divided families since February 2014.



    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-n...0SE0A020151020



    How about in these other years:
    South Korean - North Korean family reunions


    • Aug 15-18, 2000: 1st round
    • Nov 30-Dec 2, 2000: 2nd round
    • Feb 26-28, 2001: 3rd round
    • Apr 28-May 3, 2002: 4th round
    • Sep 13-18, 2002: 5th round
    • Sep 13-18, 2003: 6th round
    • Jun 27-Jul 2, 2003: 7th round
    • Sep 20-25, 2003: 8th round
    • Mar 29(Apr 1?)-3, 2004: 9th round
    • Jul 11-16, 2004: 10th round
    • Aug 15, 2005: 1st video reunions
    • Aug 26-31, 2005: 11th round
    • Nov 5-10, 2005: 12th round
    • Nov 24-25, 2005: 2nd video reunions
    • Dec 8-9, 2005: 3rd video reunions
    • Mar 20-25, 2006: 13th round
    • Jun 19-30, 2006: 14th round
    • Feb 27-28, 2006: 4th video reunions
    • May 9–14, 2007: 15th round
    • Oct 17-22, 2007: 16th round
    • Sep 26-Oct 1, 2009: 17th round
    • Oct 30-Nov 5, 2010: 18th round

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Were you also lucky in 2015 and 2014?

    Korean families torn by war six decades ago rejoice in reunions




    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-n...0SE0A020151020



    How about in these other years:
    South Korean - North Korean family reunions


    • Aug 15-18, 2000: 1st round
    • Nov 30-Dec 2, 2000: 2nd round
    • Feb 26-28, 2001: 3rd round
    • Apr 28-May 3, 2002: 4th round
    • Sep 13-18, 2002: 5th round
    • Sep 13-18, 2003: 6th round
    • Jun 27-Jul 2, 2003: 7th round
    • Sep 20-25, 2003: 8th round
    • Mar 29(Apr 1?)-3, 2004: 9th round
    • Jul 11-16, 2004: 10th round
    • Aug 15, 2005: 1st video reunions
    • Aug 26-31, 2005: 11th round
    • Nov 5-10, 2005: 12th round
    • Nov 24-25, 2005: 2nd video reunions
    • Dec 8-9, 2005: 3rd video reunions
    • Mar 20-25, 2006: 13th round
    • Jun 19-30, 2006: 14th round
    • Feb 27-28, 2006: 4th video reunions
    • May 9–14, 2007: 15th round
    • Oct 17-22, 2007: 16th round
    • Sep 26-Oct 1, 2009: 17th round
    • Oct 30-Nov 5, 2010: 18th round

    Held off for three years. You miss that part?

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    Get over here puppy, another one FROM TODAY

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/10...ean-peninsula/

    • “expand the cessation of military hostility in regions of confrontation such as the DMZ,” meaning no-fly zones and military exercises;
    • “prevent accidental military clashes by promptly activating the Inter-Korean Joint Military Committee,” referring to setting an 80-kilometer maritime buffer area in the East and West Sea where shooting incidents have occurred;
    • open “east-coast and west-coast rail and road connections”;
    • restore (“normalize”) the previously closed Mt. Gumgang tourist area and the Kaesong Industrial Zone, once signature joint projects;
    • “open a permanent facility for family reunion meetings”;
    • bid to jointly host the 2032 Olympic Games;
    • “permanently dismantle the Dongchang-ri missile engine test site and launch platform” under international inspection;
    • prepare for Kim Jong-un to visit Seoul, the first time a North Korean leader would do so.


    You like that smell of humiliation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trust is not required to begin negotiations and Trump has made it clear that his policy can't be predicted by his cabinet picks.
    Yes, it is. If you cannot trust the person you're negotiating with then there is no point in negotiating because they'll betray you as soon as possible.



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    September 22nd was only a week ago puppy.
    Breathe it in... breathe it in, and remember to go outside next time.

    Building Confidence in Denuclearization: A Roadmap for the Korean Peninsula
    https://thediplomat.com/2018/09/buil...ean-peninsula/

    When South Korean President Moon Jae-in and North Korean leader Kim Jong-un met in Pyongyang last week, in their third meeting of 2018, they were able to agree a fairly substantial package of activities on developing inter-Korean relations and on military risk reduction. So substantial that, although Moon has to date managed to avoid this agenda moving too far ahead of U.S.-North Korean talks on denuclearization, there is now a real risk that this may soon be the case.
    Does it stink, puppy? Does it stink? Or are you starting to think about eating it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    Fool.
    The Korean situation is the best it has ever been since the end of WW II.

    So cover your eyes and ears, and stamp your feet some more, and insist it's not true, just like the long list of accomplishments I provided you with months ago.

    Korea, Japan, China, billions of people in the area know to be true, what you claim is false... ..because your ego cant take much more LOSING.
    This is true. But it has nothing to do with ol' Fire & Fury. It is better than it has been in decades because the peoples of North and South Korea are working to make it better. Trump is just the fat American trying to claim the glory. Reality is that the Koreas, just like all other foriegn nations, don't need America to work out their problems. They can do it all on their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    So triggered that a month after my original post - a month in which you were unable to think of or find any material accomplishment of Trump, something trivially relevant finally crossed your news feed (likely appeared on the front page of The_Donald while you were checking it) and you rushed back to this thread to post it.
    Only one minor story, puppy? Is that all?

    I don't think you have learned your lesson yet.

    GO OUTSIDE PUPPY. THINK BEFORE YOU $#@! OUT YOUR MOUTH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Offering to talk with them is a good thing but he made his intentions clear when he chose his cabinet. It even goes along with the foreign policy he campaigned on, "not letting the enemy know our strategy". Would you trust Trump with his past rhetoric, with his cabinet? You know the guy who said in 2011 that he would run 3rd party if Ron Paul was the nominee because he doesn't think in terms of Israel because he supported diplomacy with Iran?
    Excellent point. I would love to see Iran be allowed to open up. That wa sthe best point of Obama's Presidency. But Trump clearly isn't going to do anything serious about the issue. Just look at whole he has in charge of everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    This is true. But it has nothing to do with ol' Fire & Fury. It is better than it has been in decades because the peoples of North and South Korea are working to make it better. Trump is just the fat American trying to claim the glory. Reality is that the Koreas, just like all other foriegn nations, don't need America to work out their problems. They can do it all on their own.
    What utter bull$#@!. Yeah it was lookign real good under Obama, what with the sinking of the Cheonan and all that.

    GTFO with that bull$#@!.

    This wouldn't be happening without Trump.

    I understand Trump and Xi are the ones with the knives in Korea.

    And I get that "all" Trump is doing, is offering to pull the knife out that should have never been in in the first place.
    I get it.

    But don't try to bull$#@! me about how Trump is just lucky. This wouldn't be happening under Clinton, and it didn't happen under Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    But Trump clearly....
    Don't act like you have a god damned clue about Trump's strategy.
    The guy is full of surprises.

    And even if you do have a clue, it is not "clear".

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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    Excellent point. I would love to see Iran be allowed to open up. That wa sthe best point of Obama's Presidency. But Trump clearly isn't going to do anything serious about the issue. Just look at whole he has in charge of everything.
    Trump’s Iran Obsession and the Forever War in Syria

    The U.S. special representative for Syria confirmed [1] that the administration’s policy is one of forever war in Syria [2]:

    James Jeffrey, the State Department’s special representative for Syria, said the United States would maintain a presence in the country, possibly including an extended military mission, until Iran withdraws the soldiers and militia forces it commands. U.S. officials expect that possible outcome only after world powers broker a deal ending the war.

    It is tempting to refer to this as mission creep, but this is really a case of beginning a completely new, different, and unrelated mission as an excuse to keep U.S. forces in Syria indefinitely. Keeping U.S. troops in Syria until Iran “retreats” gives Iran an easy way to dictate our policy for us. They have no reason to withdraw, and our illegal presence in Syria puts no pressure on them to leave. On the contrary, a continued, illegal U.S. presence in Syria is not going to make Iran more inclined to withdraw its forces. It gives them added incentive to do what they were already going to do. Because withdrawal is something that this administration is demanding of Iran, it is the last thing that Iran’s government is going to want to do.

    Besides the sheer illegality of the mission that the administration is proposing, the most striking thing is that it has absolutely no connection to U.S. or allied security. Iran’s military presence in Syria may not be desirable, but their evacuation from Syria isn’t necessary for the security of the United States or any treaty allies. Iran and Syria have been allies for decades, and Iran’s support for the Syrian government has only strengthened that relationship. Unless and until the Syrian government no longer wants them there, Iran has no reason to leave, and both governments have no reason to pay attention to Washington’s preferences.

    The administration’s bankrupt Iran policy and its illegal war in Syria have joined together to create a truly dangerous and reckless commitment that could bog the U.S. down in part of Syria for a long time to come. Keeping U.S. forces in Syria until Iran withdraws all its troops and proxies would be a multi-decade undertaking:

    According to one Western diplomat, Iran has spent tens of billions of dollars in Syria and lost thousands of fighters in support of the Assad regime. If the United States keeps a military presence in Syria for as long as the Iranians, that would mean “decades at the very least,” said the diplomat, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss American policy.

    The U.S. is very bad at ending its open-ended military missions around the world. If Trump is allowed to get away with maintaining an illegal military presence in Syria, it is quite possible that the mission could last long after he leaves office. The time for stopping it and bringing U.S. forces out of Syria is now, because in another few years the blatantly illegal policy will have become accepted as just one more in a string of illegal presidential wars.

    It can’t be emphasized strongly enough that U.S. forces have no authorization to be in Syria for any reason, and every day that Trump keeps them there he is violating the Constitution.


    The Iran Obsession and the Despicable War on Yemen

    Mohamad Bazzi comments [1] on the role of the Trump administration’s Iran obsession in continuing its support for the Saudi coalition war on Yemen:

    Blinded by its obsession with Iran, the Trump administration is perpetuating an unwinnable war and undermining the likelihood of a political settlement.

    As I have been saying for well over a year, the administration’s Iran obsession poisons everything. Treating Iran as the source and cause of all the region’s woes isn’t just shoddy analysis, but it also becomes a rationalization for lots of terrible policy decisions that have serious costs for the U.S. and for the other countries involved. We are seeing that happen with the administration’s Syria policy, and we have been seeing it in Yemen for the last twenty months. Trying to blame Iran for the conflict in Yemen is wrong as a matter of fact, but that naturally hasn’t stopped the administration from casting blame on a government that has very little to do with the war there while whitewashing the abuses and crimes of the governments that the administration arms and supports.

    Iran’s role in Yemen has been minimal all along, but Trump administration officials have made a point of exaggerating it and focusing on it to the exclusion of almost everything else. The fixation on Iran is unfortunate for several reasons. It promotes serious misunderstanding about the causes of the war and who is responsible for Yemen’s current plight. It distracts attention from the governments that are regularly committing war crimes against the civilian population. Finally, and most damning of all, it treats Yemeni civilians as expendable pawns in a quarrel with Iran that has nothing to do with them or their country. Helping to destroy and starve Yemen in a vain effort to combat Iranian “expansionism” is one of the most perverse and despicable policies of our time, and it is all the more so because there is no such expansionism to oppose. Even if there were, it wouldn’t justify what our government is helping the Saudi coalition do to Yemen, but the fact that there isn’t makes the policy that much worse.

    Since the Trump administration isn’t going to do anything to rein in the Saudis and Emiratis, Bazzi concludes that Congress will have to do it:

    The only realistic check left is in Congress, where more voices are asking why the world’s most powerful country is helping to perpetuate the world’s worst humanitarian crisis.

    That’s right, and that is why the House needs to pass H.Con.Res. 138 as soon as possible.
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    From The Ron Paul Institute:

    Lawrence Wilkerson: ‘Irreconcilable Elements’ Stand in Way of Korean Deal

    http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arch...f-korean-deal/
    There is no spoon.



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    Hey, here's an uplifting story on Korean removal of mines on the DMZ:

    Thursday, 19 September, 2002, 06:54 GMT 07:54 UK

    Koreas begin demining border

    South and North Korean troops have begun clearing landmines from the heavily-fortified Demilitarised Zone (DMZ) that separates the two countries.

    Dignitaries watched as about 100 South Korean soldiers, some armed, others carrying demining gear, marched through a previously locked barbed wire gate into the treacherous buffer zone.

    South Korean officials said a similar event was taking place in the North.

    The work is aimed at clearing two 250-metre (277-yard) corridors through the border so that road and rail links can be reconnected for the first time since the Korean War half a century ago.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2267773.stm


    Ooops, wait, that's from 2002.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    Held off for three years. You miss that part?
    Held off for 4 years between 2010 and 2014. You miss that part?
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    Pinochet is the model
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    Leave Iran alone please.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Held off for 4 years between 2010 and 2014. You miss that part?
    LoL

    Little puppy still crying about having his face rammed into his own poop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    LoL

    Little puppy still crying about having his face rammed into his own poop.
    Were you calling Obama a Savior (capitals required) when they had reunions in 2014?

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    Trump is the closest thing to a Savior America has seen
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Were you calling Obama a Savior (capitals required) when they had reunions in 2014?
    Not again, puppy....


    • “expand the cessation of military hostility in regions of confrontation such as the DMZ,” meaning no-fly zones and military exercises;
    • “prevent accidental military clashes by promptly activating the Inter-Korean Joint Military Committee,” referring to setting an 80-kilometer maritime buffer area in the East and West Sea where shooting incidents have occurred;
    • open “east-coast and west-coast rail and road connections”;
    • restore (“normalize”) the previously closed Mt. Gumgang tourist area and the Kaesong Industrial Zone, once signature joint projects;
    • “open a permanent facility for family reunion meetings”;
    • bid to jointly host the 2032 Olympic Games;
    • “permanently dismantle the Dongchang-ri missile engine test site and launch platform” under international inspection;
    • prepare for Kim Jong-un to visit Seoul, the first time a North Korean leader would do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    Not again, puppy....


    • “expand the cessation of military hostility in regions of confrontation such as the DMZ,” meaning no-fly zones and military exercises;
    • “prevent accidental military clashes by promptly activating the Inter-Korean Joint Military Committee,” referring to setting an 80-kilometer maritime buffer area in the East and West Sea where shooting incidents have occurred;
    • open “east-coast and west-coast rail and road connections”;
    • restore (“normalize”) the previously closed Mt. Gumgang tourist area and the Kaesong Industrial Zone, once signature joint projects;
    • “open a permanent facility for family reunion meetings”;
    • bid to jointly host the 2032 Olympic Games;
    • “permanently dismantle the Dongchang-ri missile engine test site and launch platform” under international inspection;
    • prepare for Kim Jong-un to visit Seoul, the first time a North Korean leader would do so.
    you must really like licking your chops after I rub your face in your mess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Leave Iran alone please.
    Let us pray.
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    Trump Has Nothing But Contempt for the Iranian People

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Leave Iran alone please.
    Trump Has Nothing But Contempt for the Iranian People

    Another excerpt from Trump’s strange press conference [1] stands out for its sheer lack of empathy:

    It doesn’t matter what world leaders think on Iran. Iran is going to come back to me and they’re going to make a good deal. I think. Maybe not. Deals, you never know, but they’re suffering greatly. They’re having riots in every city, far greater than they were during the green period with President Obama. Far greater. When President Obama stuck up for government, not the people, he probably would have had a much different Iran had he not done that. But I’m sticking up for the people. I am with the people of Iran.
    But here is the thing. They have rampant inflation. Their money is worthless. Everything is going wrong. They have riots in the street. You can’t buy bread, you can’t do anything. It is a disaster [bold mine-DL].

    Trump’s statement is equal parts delusion and cruelty. On the one hand, he imagines that he can humiliate Iran into accepting far worse terms. That won’t happen, but he is incapable of putting himself in their position so he can’t grasp why. He lies that the current protests are bigger than the Green movement protests, and then displays his ignorance of the latter by suggesting that there would have been a major change in the regime if the protesters had prevailed. Trump also lies about his predecessor as usual, claiming that Obama “stuck up for government” because Obama chose not to insert the U.S. into the middle of an internal Iranian dispute. At no time did Obama defend or “stick up” for the Iranian government when it was repressing protesters in 2009-10, but since Trump is just repeating warmed-over Iran hawk talking points he wouldn’t know that.

    The truly delusional part is the claim that he is “with the people of Iran” when every action he has taken with respect to Iran has been to punish and harm the people of Iran. First he banned Iranian nationals from coming to the U.S., then reneged on the nuclear deal most Iranians supported, and further injured them by reimposing nuclear sanctions without the slightest justification. Trump is now using U.S. power to strangle Iran’s economy and cut it off from the world’s financial institutions, which is already having the effect of preventing the import of vital medicines, and as the sanctions grow tighter it will impoverish the population still more. Trump is carrying out a policy of collective punishment, he boasts about the terrible effects it is having on the economy, and yet he has the gall to say that he is “sticking up for the people.” On the contrary, he is trampling them and kicking them while they are down. It takes a genuinely callous person to tout the great suffering of people that you have caused and then congratulate yourself for being on their side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    I must be really lucky, because here is one from just a couple days ago:

    The United States on Thursday returned the remains of 64 fallen South Korean soldiers to its ally in the largest such repatriation ever from the Hawaii-based lab that identifies missing service members from past wars.

    https://www.military.com/daily-news/...ed-hickam.html

    You like that smell, puppy? The smell of your own ignorant $#@!?
    Trump said North Korea was going to provide us with 200 remains. Only 55 boxes of assorted bones were delivered- and that wasn't until a month after Trump claimed 200 were already turned over. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-n...-idUSKBN1JH05L

    Trump says North Korea has returned remains of 200 U.S. war dead

    DULUTH, Minn. (Reuters) - President Donald Trump said North Korea had returned on Wednesday the remains of 200 U.S. troops missing from the Korean War, although there was no official confirmation of the move from military authorities.

    “We got back our great fallen heroes, the remains sent back today, already 200 got sent back,” Trump told a crowd of supporters during a rally in Duluth, Minnesota.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...oldier-remains

    While North Korea may says the remains it returned this week were “discovered” by farmers, U.S. intelligence has reported that Pyongyang has warehoused perhaps hundreds of U.S. remains to slowly sell back to Washington for cash. In other cases, Pyongyang has returned mingled and misidentified remains and, in the case of case of a non-American but allied POW/MIA, the bones returned by North Korea turned out to be animal remains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    Not again, puppy....


    • “expand the cessation of military hostility in regions of confrontation such as the DMZ,” meaning no-fly zones and military exercises;
    • “prevent accidental military clashes by promptly activating the Inter-Korean Joint Military Committee,” referring to setting an 80-kilometer maritime buffer area in the East and West Sea where shooting incidents have occurred;
    • open “east-coast and west-coast rail and road connections”;
    • restore (“normalize”) the previously closed Mt. Gumgang tourist area and the Kaesong Industrial Zone, once signature joint projects;
    • “open a permanent facility for family reunion meetings”;
    • bid to jointly host the 2032 Olympic Games;
    • “permanently dismantle the Dongchang-ri missile engine test site and launch platform” under international inspection;
    • prepare for Kim Jong-un to visit Seoul, the first time a North Korean leader would do so.
    That all looks rather future-y to me. But don't let that stop you from pre-celebrating these non-achievements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    That all looks rather future-y to me. But don't let that stop you from pre-celebrating these non-achievements.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...m-jong-un-moon

    North Korea will shut down key missile test facilities in the presence of “international experts” and is willing to close its only known nuclear complex if the United States makes reciprocal measures, South Korean president Moon Jae-in has announced in a joint press conference with Kim Jong-un.
    Both sides expect the other to make major moves first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    That all looks rather future-y to me. But don't let that stop you from pre-celebrating these non-achievements.
    Do you make a mess again, puppy?

    Alright , I gotta rub your face in your mess again, puppy

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...itary-Exercise

    https://www.malaymail.com/s/1684774/...-says-pentagon

    You smell that puppy? That's the stink of being a total, delusional loser all over your face, puppy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    Do you make a mess again, puppy?

    Alright , I gotta rub your face in your mess again, puppy

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...itary-Exercise

    https://www.malaymail.com/s/1684774/...-says-pentagon

    You smell that puppy? That's the stink of being a total, delusional loser all over your face, puppy.
    It's really bothering you, isn't it?
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    Pinochet is the model
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    "Please let me have another good PR moment, the NK one already wore off and the midterms are coming up soon"
    Everything in DC is for optics. When Rand filibustered, it was for optics and we cheer-leaded like our lives depended on it.

    So Trump does something libertarians like, but does it for optics, its suddenly bad?

    As if libertarians were not already known for self-interest being a pillar of the ideology.

    Someone remind me.... Tf Trump triggers you so much that you go against your own ideology, is that a clear symptom of TDS?

    The Zippy syndrome is infecting RPF like HIV in Los Angeles.
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    @Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF =troll:

    Who spends this much time copy/pasting the same recycled links, photos/talking points.

    7 yrs/25k posts later RPF'ers still respond to this troll

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    So Trump does something libertarians like, but does it for optics, its suddenly bad?
    If something is actually accomplished, I will applaud it. What I'm mocking is the pre-celebration of Trump's accomplishments before they happen. The whole reason the NK PR "wore off" is because it was, in the language of Trumpkins, a big fat nothing burger. It was a a diplomatic "mission accomplished" banner.

    See also: All of these October announcements of "we're going to repeal Obamacare for real this time guys" and "we're going to cut the budget for real this time guys," and "we're going to cut taxes but for the middle class this time guys," and so on.


    It's not about going against libertarianism, it's about not being a credulous moron who believes everything that comes out of the mouth of a pathological liar.
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    Someone remind me.... Tf Trump triggers you so much that you go against your own ideology, is that a clear symptom of TDS?

    The Zippy syndrome is infecting RPF like HIV in Los Angeles.
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    What is the ideology that Zippy and the Count profess?
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    If something is actually accomplished, I will applaud it.
    Don't even act like you have been paying attention to anything, puppy. You aren't paying enough attention to know what is going on in Korea, or if anything is being accomplished. All you know is what I rub your face in, puppy. Then you google after the fact. Do you think that is it? Dozens of other stories of goodwill have come from Korea. I've been paying attention the whole time, so I have been reading them, while you... have been reading, fake news.

    Calling off Freedom Guardian, and now calling off Vigilant Ace is Huge.

    Just like all the other things, that have been happening, all at once.

    Go outside puppy, wash your face off in the grass.
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