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    Rand just sold out on Kavanaugh

    He just posted it on his Facebook page... lame.
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    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    https://www.facebook.com/SenatorRand...33336106719182

    After meeting Judge Kavanaugh and reviewing his record, I have decided to support his nomination.

    No one will ever completely agree with a nominee (unless, of course, you are the nominee). Each nominee, however, must be judged on the totality of their views, character, and opinions.

    I have expressed my concern over Judge Kavanaugh’s record on warrantless bulk collection of data and how that might apply to very important privacy cases before the Supreme Court.

    In reviewing his record on other privacy cases like Jones, and through my conversation with him, I have hope that in light of the new precedent in Carpenter v. United States, Judge Kavanaugh will be more open to a Fourth Amendment that protects digital records and property.

    Of course, my vote is not a single-issue vote, and much of my reading and conversation has been in trying to figure out exactly how good Judge Kavanaugh will be on other issues before the Court.

    My conversation with Judge Kavanaugh reinforces my belief that he will evaluate cases before the Supreme Court from a textual and originalist point of view.

    I believe he will carefully adhere to the Constitution and will take his job to protect individual liberty seriously.

    On issues such as property rights and reining in the administrative state, Judge Kavanaugh has a strong record and showed a deep commitment during our meeting. His views on due process and mens rea show a thoughtful approach to the law and its applications. His views on war powers and separation of powers are encouraging.

    Finally, his strong defenses of the First and Second Amendments in landmark cases show someone who isn’t afraid to challenge the status quo and will fight with backbone. Judge Kavanaugh will have my support and my vote to confirm him to the Supreme Court.


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    (Same as above, twitter reply format)







    Last edited by dannno; 07-30-2018 at 09:55 AM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    So the end result is that a Democrat or two won’t be forced to vote to confirm Kavanaugh.
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    I don't care that he's voting for him, but don't pretend like you're being unbiased/objective about it.
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    only ideologically pure Libertarians should be on the supreme court
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    He just posted it on his Facebook page... lame.

    This was not even remotely a difficult confirm. This is an easy yes. Even staunch libertarian legal scholars are supportive of Kavanaugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    "... show someone who isn’t afraid to challenge the status quo and will fight with backbone."

    ^^^
    Glad to see this. I totally trust Rand.
    The confirmation hearings will be interesting.
    To say the least.

    Rand did NOT sell out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    only ideologically pure Libertarians should be on the supreme court
    I support this 100%.
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    only ideologically pure Libertarians should be on the supreme court
    Technically that is correct, however sometimes you have to use your political capital wisely and go for the best results you can.
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    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Of course Collins calls him a "sellout". Man you are $#@!ing tiresome. This isn't surprising to anyone. He did what he could. Let's see you get elected and put in the same situation, big shot. Oh.... that's right.... you're just a nobody like the rest of us.
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    I am really dissappointed in Trump. I was hoping he would pick someone more like Gorsuch. Rand has to pick his battles but as far as the president goes he should be picking better people this is a big deal, the law matters. I was hoping Rand would convince Trump into doing the right thing but I guess he couldn't do it

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    Cavanaugh better strike down those unconstitutional gun laws. I'm assuming this played into Rand's decision.
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  20. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Cavanaugh better strike down those unconstitutional gun laws. I'm assuming this played into Rand's decision.
    Not likely. Probably this only allows room for Rand to criticize him. Just so it looks like he gave him a fair chance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Reminds me of Frodo saying that Sam sold him out for not supporting Gollum.
    Pretty much.

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Cavanaugh better strike down those unconstitutional gun laws. I'm assuming this played into Rand's decision.
    Who's Cavanaugh?
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    Ron is wrong...
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  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    only ideologically pure Libertarians should be on the supreme court
    Actually only those who uphold the Constitution should be allowed to serve on the SCOTUS. If they are libertarian, even better.

    Kavanaugh does not uphold the Constitution.
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    Thumbs down

    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    This was not even remotely a difficult confirm. This is an easy yes. Even staunch libertarian legal scholars are supportive of Kavanaugh.
    Uh no.... Kavanaugh hates the 4th Amendment and has stated so very clearly. There is no excuse for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PursuePeace View Post

    Rand did NOT sell out.
    Of course he did.... on his core issue too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Technically that is correct, however sometimes you have to use your political capital wisely and go for the best results you can.
    If you subscribe to the political economy theory, which Ron proved false a long time ago. Rand didn't have to cave at all, he could have, with a straight face, said "I oppose him because he supports NSA spying which is contrary to the Constitution" And people would have respected him for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    He did what he could.
    No he didn't. He could vote no which is absolutely an option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    I am really dissappointed in Trump. I was hoping he would pick someone more like Gorsuch. Rand has to pick his battles but as far as the president goes he should be picking better people this is a big deal, the law matters. I was hoping Rand would convince Trump into doing the right thing but I guess he couldn't do it
    Of course Rand could do it, he could vote no. And that would either force some Dems to come over or it would force Trump to pick someone better. But Rand has no spine apparently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Of course he did.... on his core issue too.
    I have a pretty good feeling that Rand knows what he is doing.
    And I trust him.

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    and our liberty comes from our creator. It has nothing to do with government granting it. -Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    If you subscribe to the political economy theory, which Ron proved false a long time ago.
    How did Ron prove it false? What did Ron Paul ever accomplish beyond educating people about how votes should be cast?
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Actually only those who uphold the Constitution should be allowed to serve on the SCOTUS. If they are libertarian, even better.

    Kavanaugh does not uphold the Constitution.
    +1

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Of course Rand could do it, he could vote no. And that would either force some Dems to come over or it would force Trump to pick someone better. But Rand has no spine apparently.
    In a world where they don't control the media and the narrative maybe. They could always use any major opportunity to bury Rand Paul politically with a president that is as popular with their party as Trump is.

    We gotta take into account that the executive branch is not working for our ideals and would love to shut Rand up.

    You can't think about Trump's fake MAGA persona you got to think of the Trump that said someone needs to primary Rand Paul in 2016

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Of course Rand could do it, he could vote no. And that would either force some Dems to come over or it would force Trump to pick someone better. But Rand has no spine apparently.
    Who were the better options from Trump’s list?
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  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Who were the better options from Trump’s list?
    Mike Lee

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