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  1. #31
    Rand Paul is right again. Revoke all clearances from former officials.
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Rand Paul is right again. Revoke all clearances from former officials.
    Absolutely. If you aren't "on the clock" then you are off it. No one can "refresh your memory" with documents you never paid attention to in the first place. Does Congress control this or the executive branch.



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Absolutely. If you aren't "on the clock" then you are off it. No one can "refresh your memory" with documents you never paid attention to in the first place. Does Congress control this or the executive branch.
    Can you handle the truth?

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Absolutely. If you aren't "on the clock" then you are off it. No one can "refresh your memory" with documents you never paid attention to in the first place. Does Congress control this or the executive branch.
    Placing total control in either one of these two options has serious drawbacks.
    Patriot Acts One&Tew created an infrastructure equal to the increase IKE had
    over FDR and HST. Although less "buck privates" technically were in uniform
    in the U.S Army. Clinton assumed with the fall of the Berlin Wall he could both
    demobilize and demilitarize. Andy Johnson scaled down the U.S Army. In 1921
    Warren G. Harding tried to live up to his promise to avoid global crusades, his
    definition of "normalcy" had AntiWar and isolationist assumptions behind it all.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    Placing total control in either one of these two options has serious drawbacks.
    Patriot Acts One&Tew created an infrastructure equal to the increase IKE had
    over FDR and HST. Although less "buck privates" technically were in uniform
    in the U.S Army. Clinton assumed with the fall of the Berlin Wall he could both
    demobilize and demilitarize. Andy Johnson scaled down the U.S Army. In 1921
    Warren G. Harding tried to live up to his promise to avoid global crusades, his
    definition of "normalcy" had AntiWar and isolationist assumptions behind it all.
    We need deep state to balance things out.

  8. #36
    Donald Trump's problem is that good foreign policy is bipartisan, and the "loyal opposition" must be
    very polite about everything. Anything discursive or abrupt triggers a power struggle that is binary.
    WIN WIN in John Nash's GameTheory becomes more difficult. John Luis Von Neumann is WIN LOOSE.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    Donald Trump's problem is that good foreign policy is bipartisan, and the "loyal opposition" must be
    very polite about everything. Anything discursive or abrupt triggers a power struggle that is binary.
    WIN WIN in John Nash's GameTheory becomes more difficult. John Luis Von Neumann is WIN LOOSE.
    Seems Trump is winning and has Rand's support. What's your problem?

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    We need deep state to balance things out.
    Was Bill McKinley a "deep state" player? Could you name past presidents who were
    not "deep state" at all! I assume Andy Jackson is too frontier. Is Jefferson one of 'em?
    If 80% of our sitting gov't is DEEP STATE but DJT is not, this gets him impeached or
    worse, unless he pulls something out of the hat that is very horrid or brutal or cruel...

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Absolutely. If you aren't "on the clock" then you are off it. No one can "refresh your memory" with documents you never paid attention to in the first place. Does Congress control this or the executive branch.
    They are employees of the Executive Branch. The executive should be able to fire and revoke clearances at will. Some appointments require Senate approval per the Constitution, so POTUS is restrained on hiring.
    Twitter: B4Liberty@USAB4L
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul


    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

  12. #40
    So far, he seems to be keeping his head above water.
    He has been corrupt. This alone gets him impeached.
    He has high odds of having broken his oath of office.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    They are employees of the Executive Branch. The executive should be able to fire and revoke clearances at will. Some appointments require Senate approval per the Constitution, so POTUS is restrained on hiring.
    Edwin Stanton verses Andrew Johnson! YES! What A.J did was 100% legal and honorable.

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    So far, he seems to be keeping his head above water.
    He has been corrupt. This alone gets him impeached.
    He has high odds of having broken his oath of office.
    Can you stop contradicting yourself?

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    They are employees of the Executive Branch. The executive should be able to fire and revoke clearances at will. Some appointments require Senate approval per the Constitution, so POTUS is restrained on hiring.
    Let me rephrase the question. Why Trump did not start removing clearances until after the meeting with Putin in person?

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Let me rephrase the question. Why Trump did not start removing clearances until after the meeting with Putin in person?
    Dude... He is either PUTINz bYtch or he is basically acting like he is Putin's pet
    French poodle of the male gender! Of course you are confused. In the early 1800s
    if one gentleman insulted another deliberately, they whipped out dueling pistols
    and took their seconds out to an open field. Brennan went out of his way to be
    critical of Trump given that he clearly did not hold back or rethink a few of his
    assumptions. Is Mr. Trump as churlishly contrary, quarrelsome and contrary as
    Andrew Johnson I rhetorically ask? Perhaps not. However he has RADICALIZED
    his opponents!!! Hence my bright title for a hypothetical internet digital book...

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    Dude... He is either PUTINz bYtch or he is basically acting like he is Putin's pet
    French poodle of the male gender! Of course you are confused. In the early 1800s
    if one gentleman insulted another deliberately, they whipped out dueling pistols
    and took their seconds out to an open field. Brennan went out of his way to be
    critical of Trump given that he clearly did not hold back or rethink a few of his
    assumptions. Is Mr. Trump as churlishly contrary, quarrelsome and contrary as
    Andrew Johnson I rhetorically ask? Perhaps not. However he has RADICALIZED
    his opponents!!! Hence my bright title for a hypothetical internet digital book...
    Putin's dirt on the deep state has radicalized them. Cool.

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    Donald Trump's problem is that good foreign policy is bipartisan, and the "loyal opposition" must be
    very polite about everything. Anything discursive or abrupt triggers a power struggle that is binary.
    WIN WIN in John Nash's GameTheory becomes more difficult. John Luis Von Neumann is WIN LOOSE.
    Bad foreign policy is bipartisan, good foreign policy is an orphan.
    Our problems are so bad we must be abrupt before it is too late.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    Was Bill McKinley a "deep state" player? Could you name past presidents who were
    not "deep state" at all! I assume Andy Jackson is too frontier. Is Jefferson one of 'em?
    If 80% of our sitting gov't is DEEP STATE but DJT is not, this gets him impeached or
    worse, unless he pulls something out of the hat that is very horrid or brutal or cruel...
    It is time for something very horrid or brutal or cruel to the deepstate.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It is time for something very horrid or brutal or cruel to the deepstate.
    Remove their security clearances?



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Let me rephrase the question. Why Trump did not start removing clearances until after the meeting with Putin in person?
    Until recently he didn't think he could do either, now something has changed and he feels free to do both but the Putin meeting was more important.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  24. #50
    Or are they as bad as we think we are? What if our fate is to experience what the U.K was hit with
    in the 1940s, 50s and 60s? Socialized medicine in its inefficiency arrives as we are stripped of many
    of our colonies. We become a seedy backwater, not a global superpower. Our superpower status is
    turning us all into beggars. All Trump will do by an abrupt move is become like JUAN PERON, a small
    time "tin horn" bleeting away to his own chosen flock of sheep. Not good. Not good. Not good at all.

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Remove their security clearances?
    It's a start, it should end with executions and imprisonments, he could jump straight to that but it is better politically to draw it out slowly, it is also more painful for the deep state.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Until recently he didn't think he could do either, now something has changed and he feels free to do both but the Putin meeting was more important.
    Of course. Trump plays chess. This doesn't change the fact Putin must have passed some documents which showed the corruption of the deep state. Trump looked pretty depressed after learning about this crap during the conference with Putin. The leaks, firings and clearance removals followed almost immediately. They have been neutralized.

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Until recently he didn't think he could do either, now something has changed and he feels free to do both but the Putin meeting was more important.

    It's the line in the sand. Him and Mitch and Paul Ryan had to tagteam
    the Democrats to get bills thru, but Mitch has gone thru all his poker
    player political chits. Trump wants a confrontation. The Democrats toy
    with impeaching him. TENURE OF OFFICE ACT, yes. Trump likes to fire
    people. He shakes things up. He may be ADHD. Or not. What he is close
    to triggering is a crisis of confidence like the one that hit A.J after 1866.

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    Or are they as bad as we think we are?
    They are much worse than we think we are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    What if our fate is to experience what the U.K was hit with
    in the 1940s, 50s and 60s? Socialized medicine in its inefficiency arrives as we are stripped of many
    of our colonies. We become a seedy backwater, not a global superpower. Our superpower status is
    turning us all into beggars.
    This is what will happen if something abrupt doesn't happen.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    All Trump will do by an abrupt move is become like JUAN PERON, a small
    time "tin horn" bleeting away to his own chosen flock of sheep. Not good. Not good. Not good at all.
    This won't happen.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    It's the line in the sand. Him and Mitch and Paul Ryan had to tagteam
    the Democrats to get bills thru, but Mitch has gone thru all his poker
    player political chits. Trump wants a confrontation. The Democrats toy
    with impeaching him. TENURE OF OFFICE ACT, yes. Trump likes to fire
    people. He shakes things up. He may be ADHD. Or not. What he is close
    to triggering is a crisis of confidence like the one that hit A.J after 1866.
    You should identify your rank.

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    It's the line in the sand. Him and Mitch and Paul Ryan had to tagteam
    the Democrats to get bills thru, but Mitch has gone thru all his poker
    player political chits. Trump wants a confrontation. The Democrats toy
    with impeaching him. TENURE OF OFFICE ACT, yes. Trump likes to fire
    people. He shakes things up. He may be ADHD. Or not. What he is close
    to triggering is a crisis of confidence like the one that hit A.J after 1866.
    A.J. was attacked by his own party, Trump is being attacked by the opposition, the Blue Ebb Tide will leave them high and dry.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    They are employees of the Executive Branch. The executive should be able to fire and revoke clearances at will. Some appointments require Senate approval per the Constitution, so POTUS is restrained on hiring.
    Then let's do it. I would. What would Ron Paul have done to a deep-state alphabet agency that opposed him? He would have done as much as his position allowed him to do. Hire, fire, transfer.

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Of course. Trump plays chess. This doesn't change the fact Putin must have passed some documents which showed the corruption of the deep state. Trump looked pretty depressed after learning about this crap during the conference with Putin. The leaks, firings and clearance removals followed almost immediately. They have been neutralized.
    It would be good if Putin gave him ammunition but he should have plenty of his own already.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It would be good if Putin gave him ammunition but he should have plenty of his own already.
    Anything he've had came from the swamp. Talking to Putin was like getting a second opinion and pointers to what he should be requesting from the swamp.

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    A.J. was attacked by his own party, Trump is being attacked by the opposition, the Blue Ebb Tide will leave them high and dry.
    After May of 1865, the UNIONIST PARTY ceases to be. Andrew Johnson was a Jacksonian Democrat
    who never joined the Confederacy. He allied himself with the GOP but was not a member of the same.
    He ran unsuccessfully as Democrat in 1868. He did not change his political affiliation for any great length of time. Mitch McConnell has actually converted over from Democrat to Republican, he is more
    GOP now than A.J ever was at all! Technically.

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