View Poll Results: Is Ms Ocasio-Cortez actually a Radical Democrat?

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Thread: Is Ms.Ocasio-Cortez a RADICAL DEMOCRAT?

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    Lightbulb Is Ms.Ocasio-Cortez a RADICAL DEMOCRAT?

    She just unseated a career politician!



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    Had to go with all of the above,, given the choices.

    seems a bit whack to me,
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    She's a Communist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtomator View Post
    She's a Communist.
    Is it time to declare DNC illegal?

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    Joe McCarthy tried to do that in the 1950s...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    She just unseated a career politician!

    Not unseated yet, the incumbent is looking to maintain relevance in the race by being a third party vote.

    I don't know if I want Cortez to win or lose, both would be equally entertaining.
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    Once in office, her true colors will be revealed.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    Joe McCarthy tried to do that in the 1950s...
    Unfortunately, he was right.

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    Ocasio-Cortez explained her take on democratic socialism during an interview with Stephen Colbert on June 29. Ocasio-Cortez emphasized that, for her, democratic socialism means ensuring that everyone's fundamental rights and needs are met and respected. As the congressional candidate described:

    For me, democratic socialism is about ... I believe that in a modern, moral, and wealthy society, no person in America should be too poor to live ... Seems pretty simple. So what that means to me is health care as a human right. It means that every child no matter where you are born should have access to a college or trade school education if they so choose it. I think that no person should be homeless, if we can have public structures and public policies to allow for people to have homes and food and lead a dignified life in the United States.
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    Ocasio-Cortez explained her take on democratic socialism during an interview with Stephen Colbert on June 29. Ocasio-Cortez emphasized that, for her, democratic socialism means ensuring that everyone's fundamental rights and needs are met and respected.
    Lol. Unfortunately, you cannot ensure everyone's needs are met if you want to ensure their fundamental rights. In fact, if you try to ensure everyone's needs are met, you will have no rights - and then, you will still not satisfy everyone's needs.

    Capitalism creates wealth. Socialism's only concern is the distribution of wealth, which only ends up destroying wealth.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Lol. Unfortunately, you cannot ensure everyone's needs are met if you want to ensure their fundamental rights. In fact, if you try to ensure everyone's needs are met, you will have no rights - and then, you will still not satisfy everyone's needs.
    Agreed.

    ... ensuring that everyone's fundamental rights and needs are met and respected.
    ... depends on what one believes your 'rights' should include... the right to have your fundamental 'needs' met???

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    Don't forget this primary was determined by a pathetically small number of voters given the size of the district.
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

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    Don't know how many RPF members have had discussions with this new generation of "democratic socialists" but I took some time to hear one out, they genuinely believe free healthcare and college will save the world from the dangers of unrestrained capitalism. They think these free programs are cheap and saves money in the long run, its a mass hysterical delusion, thanks to f'ing Bernie Sanders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    Don't know how many RPF members have had discussions with this new generation of "democratic socialists" but I took some time to hear one out, they genuinely believe free healthcare and college will save the world from the dangers of unrestrained capitalism. They think these free programs are cheap and saves money in the long run, its a mass hysterical delusion, thanks to f'ing Bernie Sanders.
    They're going off of what they believe to be the Nordic model. However, they don't really understand the Nordic model. In their model countries like Denmark, they have VERY low regulation, no minimum wage, and almost zero protectionism in trade. If you only looked at those aspects, Denmark looks like one of the most capitalistic countries in the world. But they never tell you that - because they don't want that. They only want the free stuff.

    In short, those countries use the wealth created by capitalism to fund socialist medicine and education. But they can only afford to do this because their defense (and medical innovation) is being heavily subsidized by the US. Their health care and education industries are a drag on their economies and always run at a loss - it's just that they have freedom in other places that generates enough wealth to cover it.

    Here's the question to ask them: How does socialism create wealth? It stumps them every time, because they only think about how to distribute wealth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    Don't know how many RPF members have had discussions with this new generation of "democratic socialists" but I took some time to hear one out, they genuinely believe free healthcare and college will save the world from the dangers of unrestrained capitalism. They think these free programs are cheap and saves money in the long run, its a mass hysterical delusion, thanks to f'ing Bernie Sanders.
    But once those two items were removed from the list of grievances, they would move onto their next delusion. Their appetite for self-destruction cannot be satisfied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    Joe McCarthy tried to do that in the 1950s...
    Not really.
    It was a bunch of Socialists pointing fingers,,"Look over there. A Communist".

    While establishing Socialist programs that exist to this day.
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    She's a dimwit and hypocrite...which I suppose is the curriculum vitiate for being a socialist.

    How radical she is, in today's understanding of the word, is "not very".

    She is in favor of what most Amerikunts want...especially urban, immigrant and minority AmeriKa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    They're going off of what they believe to be the Nordic model. However, they don't really understand the Nordic model. In their model countries like Denmark, they have VERY low regulation, no minimum wage, and almost zero protectionism in trade. If you only looked at those aspects, Denmark looks like one of the most capitalistic countries in the world. But they never tell you that - because they don't want that. They only want the free stuff.

    In short, those countries use the wealth created by capitalism to fund socialist medicine and education. But they can only afford to do this because their defense (and medical innovation) is being heavily subsidized by the US. Their health care and education industries are a drag on their economies and always run at a loss - it's just that they have freedom in other places that generates enough wealth to cover it.

    Here's the question to ask them: How does socialism create wealth? It stumps them every time, because they only think about how to distribute wealth.
    ...

    White-Washing Socialism
    Leftists have tried their best to re-brand and obfuscate socialism to make it palatable to the misinformed masses.

    No matter how many times socialist experiments have failed—from the Soviet Union to present-day Venezuela —many naïve leftists continue their never-ending goose chase for a socialist experiment that works.

    The casual mention of socialism in political discourse is troubling.

    When countries like Venezuela are crumbling before our very eyes it is astounding that many elected officials continue to flirt with the idea of implementing socialism.

    In the Left’s imagination, Scandinavia is the silver bullet to the capitalist model.

    This tired trope ignores several crucial details about the Nordic countries’ prosperity:

    1. They are among the freest economies in the world (which admittedly may not be saying much), according to various economic freedom indices. At worst, they are mixed economies.

    2. As highlighted in works like Scandinavian Unexceptionalism, Nordic countries first became rich through capitalism well before the welfare state was established.

    Facts notwithstanding, the political Left continues to doze off into economic lala land and relies on raw emotion to draw conclusions on political economy.

    ...
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    This tired trope ignores several crucial details about the Nordic countries’ prosperity:

    1. They are among the freest economies in the world (which admittedly may not be saying much), according to various economic freedom indices. At worst, they are mixed economies.

    2. As highlighted in works like Scandinavian Unexceptionalism, Nordic countries first became rich through capitalism well before the welfare state was established.
    They also have (had) a homogeneous culture that universally accepted the idea of having "just enough" or "this will do, no more please".

    It is called lagom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    They also have (had) a homogeneous culture that universally accepted the idea of having "just enough" or "this will do, no more please".

    It is called lagom.
    I've often wondered if there isn't an opportunity here in some respect... What I mean is, they have been led to believe that the Nordic model is the ideal system - if we could educate them on how the Nordic model creates wealth, then perhaps some of them may be converted. It's got to be a start if you could get them to champion the free market, if only in certain sectors.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    I've often wondered if there isn't an opportunity here in some respect... What I mean is, they have been led to believe that the Nordic model is the ideal system - if we could educate them on how the Nordic model creates wealth, then perhaps some of them may be converted. It's got to be a start if you could get them to champion the free market, if only in certain sectors.
    A vaild point perhaps...I would start with the question you posted earlier:

    Here's the question to ask them: How does socialism create wealth? It stumps them every time, because they only think about how to distribute wealth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Here's the question to ask them: How does socialism create wealth? It stumps them every time, because they only think about how to distribute wealth.

    The answer is easy. People simply consume less and use fewer resources but take a lot of pride in doing what's right for the "community".

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    The answer is easy. People simply consume less and use fewer resources but take a lot of pride in doing what's right for the "community".
    Trolling snark aside, that is similar to the rebuttal most often heard. "Who needs wealth? Wealth is bad." But then the question becomes what happens to that "community" when it no longer has any wealth?
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Trolling snark aside, that is similar to the rebuttal most often heard. "Who needs wealth? Wealth is bad." But then the question becomes what happens to that "community" when it no longer has any wealth?
    It grows bigger by merging with other "communities" who don't have any wealth either. This mega-monster is chasing everybody still above the poverty level and sucks them dry.



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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Trolling snark aside, that is similar to the rebuttal most often heard. "Who needs wealth? Wealth is bad." But then the question becomes what happens to that "community" when it no longer has any wealth?





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    Twelve rules of the Builder of Communism

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    1. Loyalty to Communism, and love of the socialist Motherland and other socialist countries.
    2. Conscious work for the good of the society: One who doesn't work, doesn't get to eat.
    3. Care for the collective property, as well as the multiplying of this property.
    4. High consciousness of the social responsibilities, and intolerance to the violation of the social interests.
    5. Collectivism and comradery: All for one and one for all.
    6. Humane relationships between human beings: One human being is a friend, a comrade and a brother to another human being.
    7. Honesty, ethical cleanliness, as well as simplicity and modesty both in private and public life.
    8. Mutual respect in the family, and care for the upbringing of the children.
    9. Intolerance to the injustice, social parasitism, unfairness, careerism, and acquisitiveness.
    10. Friendship and brotherhood with all the nations of the USSR, intolerance to all racial and national dislike.
    11. Intolerance to the enemies of communism, peace and freedom of peoples of the world.
    12. Brotherly solidarity to all workers of all countries and nations.

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    She is a typical east coast or west coast modern leftist so far as I can tell . So , yes , very radical in comparison to what is considered publicly acceptable where I live. To put it into context here , Joe Donnely ( dem senator from this state ) cannot carry 41 percent of the vote in this county with more regtd people of his own party than any opposition party .
    Do something Danke

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post

    I don't know if I want Cortez to win or lose, both would be equally entertaining.
    I , for one, want her to win. Very much so. I also want Brianna Wu to win her race too. That would be the ultimate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    I , for one, want her to win. Very much so. I also want Brianna Wu to win her race too. That would be the ultimate.
    I want to see the Republican win that seat but she will be better for our cause than the incumbent.
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