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    Work less, get more: New Zealand firm's four-day week an 'unmitigated success'

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...igated-success

    18 Jul 2018

    Reduced hours for same pay increased successful work-life balance management, cutting stress levels and boosting commitment

    The New Zealand company behind a landmark trial of a four-day working week has concluded it an unmitigated success, with 78% of employees feeling they were able to successfully manage their work-life balance, an increase of 24 percentage points.

    Two-hundred-and-forty staff at Perpetual Guardian, a company which manages trusts, wills and estate planning, trialled a four-day working week over March and April, working four, eight-hour days but getting paid for five.

    Academics studied the trial before, during and after its implementation, collecting qualitative and quantitative data.

    Perpetual Guardian founder Andrew Barnes came up with the idea in an attempt to give his employees better work-life balance, and help them focus on the business while in the office on company time, and manage life and home commitments on their extra day off.

    Jarrod Haar, professor of human resource management at Auckland University of Technology, found job and life satisfaction increased on all levels across the home and work front, with employees performing better in their jobs and enjoying them more than before the experiment.

    Work-life balance, which reflected how well respondents felt they could successfully manage their work and non-work roles, increased by 24 percentage points.

    In November last year just over half (54%) of staff felt they could effectively balance their work and home commitments, while after the trial this number jumped to 78%.

    Staff stress levels decreased by 7 percentage points across the board as a result of the trial, while stimulation, commitment and a sense of empowerment at work all improved significantly, with overall life satisfaction increasing by 5 percentage points.

    Helen Delaney, a senior lecturer at the University of Auckland Business School, said employees’ motivation and commitment to work increased because they were included in the planning of the experiment, and played a key role in designing how the four-day week would be managed so as not to negatively impact productivity.

    “Employees designed a number of innovations and initiatives to work in a more productive and efficient manner, from automating manual processes to reducing or eliminating non-work-related internet usage,” said Delaney.

    Andrew Barnes said he would take the results of the trial to the board to open up a discussion on how a four-day work week could be implemented long-term in his company.

    “If you can have parents spending more time with their children, how is that a bad thing?” asked Barnes, who believes the new work model has the potential to profoundly impact society for the better.

    “Are you likely to get fewer mental health issues when you have more time to take care of yourself and your personal interests? Probably ... if you have fewer people in the office at any one time, can we make smaller offices?”

    New Zealand’s workplace relations minister, Iain Lees-Galloway, said the results of the trial were “very interesting” and he was keen to encourage businesses to trial new and improved work models.

    “I’m really keen to work with any businesses that are looking at how they can be more flexible for their staff and how they can look to improve productivity whilst working alongside their staff and protecting terms and conditions,” Less-Galloway said.



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    Great idea.
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    I imagine the results would vary depending on the industry involved but this is good and I hope it spreads, sometimes less is more.
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    The untold definition of the word overtime seems to have been left out of this one.

    I've seen places go from five, eight hour work days to four ten hour work days and everything seems to work fine till they start calculating overtime.

    Should overtime be calculated as anything over ten hours each day or does it get calculated as anything over forty hours in one week?

    The first way is actually more fair, but often folks don't realize the difference until after the contract has been ratified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    The untold definition of the word overtime seems to have been left out of this one.

    I've seen places go from five, eight hour work days to four ten hour work days and everything seems to work fine till they start calculating overtime.

    Should overtime be calculated as anything over ten hours each day or does it get calculated as anything over forty hours in one week?

    The first way is actually more fair, but often folks don't realize the difference until after the contract has been ratified.
    Federal 40 hrs/week, state 8hrs/day.

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    Good for them. I just have to wonder what's going on with the people who can't manage their personal commitments with three days off a week.

    In November last year just over half (54%) of staff felt they could effectively balance their work and home commitments, while after the trial this number jumped to 78%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Federal 40 hrs/week, state 8hrs/day.
    At this point, I'm not concerned about the taxation, this has to do with how the employer is calculating the payment to the employees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    At this point, I'm not concerned about the taxation, this has to do with how the employer is calculating the payment to the employees.
    LOL, you've never had anybody working for you?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    The untold definition of the word overtime seems to have been left out of this one.

    I've seen places go from five, eight hour work days to four ten hour work days and everything seems to work fine till they start calculating overtime.

    Should overtime be calculated as anything over ten hours each day or does it get calculated as anything over forty hours in one week?

    The first way is actually more fair, but often folks don't realize the difference until after the contract has been ratified.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Federal 40 hrs/week, state 8hrs/day.
    I think it depends on the state, my father used to have a job with a 4 10hr days schedule and he didn't get overtime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    LOL, you've never had anybody working for you?
    Has nothing to do with what I said.

    When does overtime start?

    Is it after 8 hours per day, 10 hours per day or 40 hours per week?

    Seems like a simple question doesn't it?

    Does the employer get to work those people 15 hours a day without paying overtime?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Has nothing to do with what I said.

    When does overtime start?

    Is it after 8 hours per day, 10 hours per day or 40 hours per week?

    Seems like a simple question doesn't it?

    Does the employer get to work those people 15 hours a day without paying overtime?
    You know there are two sets of governments regulations and you have to comply with both?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I think it depends on the state, my father used to have a job with a 4 10hr days schedule and he didn't get overtime.
    Yes, and if they decided to work him 12 hours in a day, the overtime didn't start untill after he had 40 hours in. Am I correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    You know there are two sets of governments regulations and you have to comply with both?
    When I worked, I was on salary, but the hourly people had overtime after 8 hours in any one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    When I worked, I was on salary, but the hourly people had overtime after 8 hours in any one day.
    That's according to the state. The federal overtime kicks in after 40/week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Yes, and if they decided to work him 12 hours in a day, the overtime didn't start untill after he had 40 hours in. Am I correct?
    It's been a long time but I think you might be right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    That's according to the state. The federal overtime kicks in after 40/week.
    I don't understand what you are talking about. Overtime is calculated by how it's written in the contract.

    LOL, federal overtime, and state overtime.... sounds like somebody is working for the federal government or the state government.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    I don't understand what you are talking about. Overtime is calculated by how it's written in the contract.

    LOL, federal overtime, and state overtime.... sounds like somebody is working for the federal government or the state government.
    At least some categories of businesses are required by law to give at least some categories of employees overtime for more than 40hrs in a week and in some states more than 8hrs a day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    At least some categories of businesses are required by law to give at least some categories of employees overtime for more than 40hrs in a week and in some states more than 8hrs a day.
    Thanks, I wasn't aware of that.

    I've seen some evil too. One place I know of, where overtime starts after 40 hours and they work the people 12 hours a day and then when they get to 40 for the week, send them home.

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    The satisfaction of this will only be temporary. Once people have worked this for awhile it will become the norm and they will no longer have this better sense of well being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    The satisfaction of this will only be temporary. Once people have worked this for awhile it will become the norm and they will no longer have this better sense of well being.
    This is when we go to a 3 day work week and 2 jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Great idea.
    Where is the money to cover the "same pay for less work" coming from? Higher prices to customers? Lower profits for the owners? Not many companies could afford to do this. Most, if they cut back to a four day work week would either make those days ten hours long (some companies already do this) or reduce pay by the hours no longer worked. They are a high profit business:

    Perpetual Guardian, a company which manages trusts, wills and estate planning
    “Employees designed a number of innovations and initiatives to work in a more productive and efficient manner, from automating manual processes to reducing or eliminating non-work-related internet usage,” said Delaney.

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    Many years ago.. I worked 12 hour shifts.. 3 on, 2 off.. alternating days and dogs.. we did not get OT for over 8 hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Where is the money to cover the "same pay for less work" coming from? Higher prices to customers? Lower profits for the owners? Not many companies could afford to do this. Most, if they cut back to a four day work week would either make those days ten hours long (some companies already do this) or reduce pay by the hours no longer worked. They are a high profit business:
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