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    SOMETHING, SOMETHING EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE...S H I T

    SOMETHING, SOMETHING "PUBLIC SAFE-TEE"...HAHAHAHAHAHAH

    SOMETHING, SOMETHING MORE = THAN, U KNOW THE REST
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    "I don't break the law because I can, I'm just trying to get home to my wife." At 97 mph.

    Ah, of course.
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    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    A clause in the Arizona constitution does confer immunity from arrest to members of the state legislature "in all cases except treason, felony, and breach of the peace" just before, and while, the legislature is in session. Driving faster than 85 mph in Arizona is only a Class 3 misdemeanor.
    My guess is that this clause exists because the politicians knew they needed it. This is just to messed up.

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    Get out of Jail free Card.

    nice to have
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Get out of Jail free Card.

    nice to have
    State Rep knows how the legal system really works and the cop knows it too. The sheep do not know the system and are sheared accordingly. It is a get-out-of-jail-free-card but not specifically because of his position but rather because of his knowledge of the system.
    Last edited by devil21; 07-18-2018 at 11:49 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dean.engelhardt View Post
    A clause in the Arizona constitution does confer immunity from arrest to members of the state legislature "in all cases except treason, felony, and breach of the peace" just before, and while, the legislature is in session. Driving faster than 85 mph in Arizona is only a Class 3 misdemeanor.


    My guess is that this clause exists because the politicians knew they needed it. This is just to messed up.
    Why isn't speeding a "breach of the peace"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Why isn't speeding a "breach of the peace"?
    Because nobody cares if you get your panties in a knot over being passed the way a prog would.

    Why are you on a libertarian site?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Because nobody cares if you get your panties in a knot over being passed the way a prog would.

    Why are you on a libertarian site?
    I don't think speeding should be against the law but as long as it is a legislator shouldn't get a free pass, the only way speeding can be claimed to be a crime is if it is a breach of the peace.

    What part of equal justice under the law don't you understand?
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't think speeding should be against the law but as long as it is a legislator shouldn't get a free pass, the only way speeding can be claimed to be a crime is if it is a breach of the peace.

    What part of equal justice under the law don't you understand?
    The swamp already enjoys libertarian nirvana. We just need to make sure the rest of us gets there. Am I clever or what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't think speeding should be against the law but as long as it is a legislator shouldn't get a free pass, the only way speeding can be claimed to be a crime is if it is a breach of the peace.

    What part of equal justice under the law don't you understand?
    You say driving a car is a breach of the peace, and that means I don't understand equal justice under the law?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You say driving a car is a breach of the peace, and that means I don't understand equal justice under the law?
    Strawman: driving == speeding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Strawman: driving == speeding.
    Stupidity. Speeding is driving unless you're on a motorcycle (or the jurisdiction includes speed limit laws in something other than the motor vehicle code and your horse is damned fast).

    But congratulations on meeting your low value post quota. In that you just never fail.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 07-18-2018 at 04:18 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You say driving a car is a breach of the peace, and that means I don't understand equal justice under the law?
    Speeding not driving, if it is illegal it must be classified as a breach of the peace and legislators must be ticketed like everyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Stupidity. Speeding is driving unless you're on a motorcycle (or the jurisdiction includes speed limit laws in something other than the motor vehicle code and your horse is damned fast).
    Have you tried this defense in court?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Why isn't speeding a "breach of the peace"?
    I wonder too . Most certainly having a state trooper standing on the side of the road for unnecessary reasons is breach of peace . Around here that is how most of them get killed .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Have you tried this defense in court?
    Have I used the motor vehicle code defense in court? No, but I used it to shut the mouth of an obnoxious scooter-riding hipster who yelled at me for running a red light on a bicycle.

    Why do you ask?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Speeding not driving, if it is illegal it must be classified as a breach of the peace and legislators must be ticketed like everyone else.
    So the only law in all the land is breach of the peace? And if speeding is not driving, why don't the passengers get tickets too? They were going just as fast as the driver.

    Just because you want to bend that law into something this legislator is not immune from doesn't mean you get to throw out half the Oxford and redefine the English language at will.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 07-18-2018 at 04:28 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    So the only law in all the land is breach of the peace?
    Nope, but speeding is a breach of the peace if it is illegal.
    Everyone else is driving long at a safe speed and along comes the speeder and disrupts things.


    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    And if speeding is not driving, why don't the passengers get tickets too? They were going just as fast as the driver.
    I didn't say speeding wasn't driving, it is more than driving, it is driving at a speed deemed by the government to be unsafe, the passengers don't get tickets because they aren't in control of the vehicle.


    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Just because you want to bend that law into something this legislator is not immune from doesn't mean you get to throw out half the Oxford and redefine the English language at will.
    Just because you want to argue with me over nothing to satisfy your obsession doesn't mean you get to pretend I did things I didn't do.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Definition of breach of the peace

    : a charge of making a lot of noise or behaving violently in public : disorderly conduct
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dict...%20the%20peace

    Every semi he passed was making more noise, and no one said he was being violent.

    And if you can't stand smart answers, don't ask stupid questions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dict...%20the%20peace

    Every semi he passed was making more noise, and no one said he was being violent.

    And if you can't stand smart answers, don't ask stupid questions.
    Definition of breach of the peace

    : a charge of making a lot of noise or behaving violently in public : disorderly conduct

    breach of the peace


    More at Wordnik


    Breach of the Peace

    A comprehensive term encompassing acts or conduct that seriously endanger or disturb public peace and order.
    A breach of the peace was a common-law offense, but is presently governed by statute in many states. It is frequently defined as constituting a form of Disorderly Conduct. Examples include using abusive or obscene language in a public place, resisting a lawful arrest, and trespassing or damaging property when accompanied by violence.
    Statutes commonly require that conduct constituting a breach of the peace must be clearly a type of misbehavior resulting in public unrest or disturbance. As an example, a prostitute who solicited men walking by on a public street from her window was found guilty of breaching the peace, but a man who raised his voice to a police officer while the officer was issuing a ticket to him was not guilty of the same offense.
    A breach of the peace is synonymous with a disturbance of the peace. Jurisdictions that do not have a specific statutory provision for the offense may punish it as a form of disorderly conduct. The usual penalty imposed is either a fine, imprisonment, or both.

    More at: https://legal-dictionary.thefreedict...h+of+the+peace


    A violation of the public tranquillity and order. The offense of breaking or disturbing the public peace by any riotous, forcible, or unlawful proceeding. 4 Bl. Comm. 142. ct scq.; People v. Bartz, 53 Mich. 493, 19 X. W. 161; State v. White, 18 R. I. 473, 28 Atl. 968; People v. Wallace. 85 App. Div. 170, 83 N. Y. Supp. 130; Scougale v. Sweet, 124 Mich. 311, 82 N. W. 1061. A constructive breach of the peace is an unlawful act which, though wanting the elements of actual violence or injury to any person, is yet inconsistent with the peaceable and orderly conduct of society. Various kinds of misdemeanors are included in this general designation, such as sending challenges to fight, going armed in public without lawful reason and in a threatening manner, etc. An apprehended breach of the peace is caused by the conduct of a man who threatens another with violence or physical injury, or who goes about in public with dangerous and unusual weapons in a threatening or alarming manner, or who publishes an aggravated libel upon another, etc.

    More at: https://thelawdictionary.org/breach-of-the-peace/
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Definition of breach of the peace

    : a charge of making a lot of noise or behaving violently in public : disorderly conduct

    breach of the peace


    More at Wordnik


    Breach of the Peace

    A comprehensive term encompassing acts or conduct that seriously endanger or disturb public peace and order.
    A breach of the peace was a common-law offense, but is presently governed by statute in many states. It is frequently defined as constituting a form of Disorderly Conduct. Examples include using abusive or obscene language in a public place, resisting a lawful arrest, and trespassing or damaging property when accompanied by violence.
    Statutes commonly require that conduct constituting a breach of the peace must be clearly a type of misbehavior resulting in public unrest or disturbance. As an example, a prostitute who solicited men walking by on a public street from her window was found guilty of breaching the peace, but a man who raised his voice to a police officer while the officer was issuing a ticket to him was not guilty of the same offense.
    A breach of the peace is synonymous with a disturbance of the peace. Jurisdictions that do not have a specific statutory provision for the offense may punish it as a form of disorderly conduct. The usual penalty imposed is either a fine, imprisonment, or both.

    More at: https://legal-dictionary.thefreedict...h+of+the+peace


    A violation of the public tranquillity and order. The offense of breaking or disturbing the public peace by any riotous, forcible, or unlawful proceeding. 4 Bl. Comm. 142. ct scq.; People v. Bartz, 53 Mich. 493, 19 X. W. 161; State v. White, 18 R. I. 473, 28 Atl. 968; People v. Wallace. 85 App. Div. 170, 83 N. Y. Supp. 130; Scougale v. Sweet, 124 Mich. 311, 82 N. W. 1061. A constructive breach of the peace is an unlawful act which, though wanting the elements of actual violence or injury to any person, is yet inconsistent with the peaceable and orderly conduct of society. Various kinds of misdemeanors are included in this general designation, such as sending challenges to fight, going armed in public without lawful reason and in a threatening manner, etc. An apprehended breach of the peace is caused by the conduct of a man who threatens another with violence or physical injury, or who goes about in public with dangerous and unusual weapons in a threatening or alarming manner, or who publishes an aggravated libel upon another, etc.

    More at: https://thelawdictionary.org/breach-of-the-peace/
    *yawn*

    I don't suppose you have a point to make?

    I reiterate: Swampsmythe getting his little panties in a knot does not constitute a breach of the peace.
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    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    *yawn*

    I don't suppose you have a point to make?

    I reiterate: Swampsmythe getting his little panties in a knot does not constitute a breach of the peace.
    Speeding is supposed to be dangerous and disruptive, it is a breach of the peace according to the law.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Speeding is supposed to be dangerous and disruptive, it is a breach of the peace according to the law.
    Care to cite a precedent?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.



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    ANIMAL
    MORE =
    THAN ?????
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post

    What part of equal justice under the law don't you understand?
    It is Fiction.
    What part don't you understand?
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Care to cite a precedent?
    The law is what matters, you must be a lawyer.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    It is Fiction.
    What part don't you understand?
    We are supposed to advocate making it fact, what part of that don't you understand?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The law is what matters, you must be a lawyer.
    So, do you have any respect, or maybe even a drop of affection, for the Constitution when it isn't standing between you and what you want to do at the moment? Because it has a similar provision, and your cavalier attitude toward it is just the sort of thing that has gotten other parts of the Constitution defanged.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 07-18-2018 at 06:08 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    So, do you have any respect, or maybe even a drop of affection, for the First amendment when it isn't standing between you and what you want to do at the moment? Because your cavalier attitude toward it is just the sort of thing that has gotten other parts of the Bill of Rights defanged.
    What does the 1stA have to do with speeding?

    If you are confusing this with the libel discussion in another thread then my answer is that libel was never protected by the 1stA nor should it be.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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