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    This society is too lax. I will do anything to avoid my son learning the values of Denmark

    This does not bode well for the Government’s efforts to encourage integration. And indeed, some Danes want to crack down against migrants still harder.

    As the mainstream politicians react to a growing sense of disillusion about mass migration, a new party led by a 42-year-old architect called Pernille Vermund has seized the moment.

    The divorced mother of three, who lives far from the Copenhagen ghettos, hopes her party — the New Right — will gain seats in elections next year on a hardline anti-migrant manifesto.

    It calls for the residence permit of any ‘foreigner convicted in court’ to be withdrawn and for no more welfare benefits, housing subsidies and other state payments to anyone except Danish citizens.

    She told me: ‘Politicians for decades have let people into our country who do not share our values. They do not assimilate. Now the politicians make a patchwork of rules to try to correct their own mistakes. Forcing Muslim mothers to deliver their toddlers into state-run daycare is not going to make them Danish, or less Muslim. It simply will not work.’

    Her views would have been condemned as xenophobic extremism in liberal Denmark a few years ago. But mass immigration has hardened attitudes.

    Politicians fear that if they ignore the problem, they will lose ground to parties such as the New Right.

    Back in Mjolnerparken, where 1,752 people of 38 nationalities live cheek by jowl, I meet one of the community elders.

    An Iraqi Kurd by birth, smartly dressed Taher Mustafah, 59, came to Denmark in 1985. He has worked for years as a civil servant and helped run an Islamic charity.

    We stand on a busy street corner to chat, as Danish girls in skimpy shorts cycle past women with veiled faces shepherding children along pavements, closely watched over by their husbands. Truly, it is a stark clash of cultures.

    Taher looks at one of the veiled women and shakes his head.

    ‘I know her,’ he says. ‘She is Tunisian and her husband is an Iraqi. My view is that if you live in a country, you should show respect for the society in which you live. She should not wear the burka here in Denmark and soon she will not be allowed to.’

    Yet nearby, in an Iraqi-owned cafe, I hear a different opinion from an Iraqi migrant father called Jaber Saleh, 40, who is eating a pitta bread-and-hummus lunch with his wife Farah, 29, and son Hassan, six.

    The Salehs are angry with the Danish Government. Despite living and working here as a truck driver for 17 years, Jaber has still not been granted citizenship.

    Since the day he arrived, he has clung to his roots. He sent his son to an Arabic school in Copenhagen until it was closed by the Government, which accused some staff of having links to terrorism.

    ‘The Government was wrong,’ says Jaber. ‘It was a good school where Hassan was taught in the Arabic language, not Danish, and he learnt the Koran. He speaks Arabic at home and has no Danish friends, and I am pleased about that. I don’t want him to learn from them bad things, the swearing, the low moral code of Denmark.

    ‘This society is too lax. I will do anything to avoid my son learning the values of Denmark.’

    As I help Hassan write his name in the English alphabet in my notebook, I wonder what life will bring for this bright, well-behaved child, growing up torn between two cultures.

    His family are not preparing him for life as a Dane and, in a rapidly changing country, he may never be accepted as one even if he wishes to be.

    And that surely spells trouble for him and his adopted nation.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...l-nations.html



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    Two bad cultures are clashing.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Two bad cultures are clashing.
    Maybe it's time America spread some culture over there
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Maybe it's time America spread some culture over there
    No, it is time America shielded itself from contamination by either.
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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Maybe it's time America spread some culture over there
    You think a Marine Expeditionary Force unit stationed in Denmark would help ?
    Do something Danke

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    I can understand being concerned about both danish swearing and muslim culture. Very disturbing .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    You think a Marine Expeditionary Force unit stationed in Denmark would help ?
    I was more thinking drones, no need for boots on the ground
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I can understand being concerned about both danish swearing and muslim culture. Very disturbing .
    The Danes have much bigger problems than swearing.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The Danes have much bigger problems than swearing.
    I would imagine so .
    Do something Danke

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    How long can these stubborn parents keep their kids culturally boxed in?

    How many will flee from possible honor killings?

    Maybe they should have outreach programs for the youth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIDEODROME View Post
    How long can these stubborn parents keep their kids culturally boxed in?

    How many will flee from possible honor killings?

    Maybe they should have outreach programs for the youth.
    Maybe they should just deport them.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Seems like Jaber needs to pack his $#@! back up and take his kid back to Iraq, if he wants him to grow up in Iraq. Denmark isn't Iraq and doesn't owe him one bit of an Iraqi experience... but if he stays in Denmark he should become a Dane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fedupinmo View Post
    Seems like Jaber needs to pack his $#@! back up and take his kid back to Iraq, if he wants him to grow up in Iraq. Denmark isn't Iraq and doesn't owe him one bit of an Iraqi experience... but if he stays in Denmark he should become a Dane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Maybe they should just deport them.

    Not sure if that's practical, but certainly stop taking in more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIDEODROME View Post
    Not sure if that's practical, but certainly stop taking in more.
    It is not only practical it is a necessity.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It is not only practical it is a necessity.
    By practical, I mean you have to go through and figure out the country of origin and get them shipped back. Some nations are being dicks and refusing to take back deported immigrants. I'm not sure if the Muslim countries are doing that. That might still be worth a try I suppose, while ramping up the pressure to assimilate significantly.

    I really hate to say that, but some of them are being total morons. It's weird because that one guy is a Truck Driver which is a solitary job so maybe he doesn't feel the need to assimilate since has little interaction with Danes except to pick up or deliver while the rest of the time he just drives. What that idiot is going to do is probably make his son have to be a truck driver to no matter how much Arab education he gets or how much he studies the Koran.

    Despite that, he should probably stay because he is contributing by being a truck driver. He's just being stupid by limiting his son's future.



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    Refugees..

    Not Immigrants.. Refugees..running from wars brought to their home countries.

    Not immigrants.
    Just people hoping to escape the horror of War imposed.. so they go where the war isn't. (To the exporters of War)
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VIDEODROME View Post
    How long can these stubborn parents keep their kids culturally boxed in?

    How many will flee from possible honor killings?

    Maybe they should have outreach programs for the youth.
    Forever, and few to none. When you can brainwash a kid into a totalitarian belief system that allows no room whatsoever for critical thinking, you can train them to put up with any amount of maltreatment.

    Exhibit A: public school in the United States

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Refugees..

    Not Immigrants.. Refugees..running from wars brought to their home countries.

    Not immigrants.
    Just people hoping to escape the horror of War imposed.. so they go where the war isn't. (To the exporters of War)
    Some may be war refugees but most are economic migrants, even with the war refugees the correct answer isn't to let them invade Europe but to end the wars.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    I agree.. End the wars and folks will gladly go home.. Most of them don't want to be there either.

    Half the Cubans would return to Cuba if we wern't PHUKING the Country up.

    Iraqis would go back to Iraq,,, Post haste if it wasn't for the mess..

    And most Guatemalans would not be dragging their families a 1000 miles for no reason.

    This country is the CAUSE of the Refugees. Of course they want to get someplace where Bombs are not falling.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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