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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    You know you seem to run with a lot of MSM false reports. Where is the evidence of Trump being tied up with various Russian interests over the years?
    Yeah yeah I know the drill by now. If it's good for Trump it's fact, if it's bad for Trump it's fake news.

    It's not hard to find info about Trump's ties to the Russian mob. I know, it's impossible to believe that a casino magnate and NYC real estate developer has ties to various mafia organizations. Impossible.

    There is definitely more evidence of the Clinton's colluded with the Russians than there is with Trump.
    So? I'm pretty tired of the "but but Hillary!" nonsense by now. All of these people are GANGSTERS! They're high level organized crime. All of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    Trump should ask Rand to be VP.
    If Trump is not jumped at all, if he CAN still do a POTUS run, he legitimizes
    his sorry self by dumping Veep Pence for Doctor Rand, yes!!! Even though if
    he runs on the same ticket as THAHHH DONALD he looks as corrupt as him,
    this might be a bright idea for both of 'em! Think how the Left thinks today...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Your read on the situation is wrong. The establishment types, the Bilderburgers, the banksters, the Hillarys/McCains, the world leaders etc are all terrified by Trump and see him as a threat. Times like this should start to make that obvious to you. Trump may be willing to make deals with these people, but he isn't working for their interests. He isn't working for their goals and that frustrates them greatly.

    Trump knows them and their goals. He knows their methods and how to deal with them. Trump is no PR guy for anyone, his ego is way too big for something like that. The reason that you can't understand what exactly all of the hate over this meeting is about is because you are looking from the wrong angle.

    All of the hate is because they can't control him. These are people that use manipulation for everything that they do. Carrots and sticks are their tools of trade. Trump doesn't respond to their techniques in a manner that they are used to. They are freaking out because they lost power, where normally they don't care if Hillary or Jeb! wins because it yields the same result. Now things are different. Does it look like they are comfortable with the change?
    I can't even seriously respond to your posts. Either you're shilling or completely deluded beyond repair. I admit that I thought Bernie was being set up as President, so yes I read the final outcome incorrectly but:

    The voters were supposed to follow the direction from the media and nominate Jeb!
    Damn. Just damn. The media completely set Trump up from day one to be the GOP nominee. Never has a candidate been given so much free publicity by the media while practically ignoring everyone else in the field. Front and center debate after debate. Every rally covered extensively. Trump didn't have to spend a dime. What this says, especially if you were around during Ron's campaigns when the media showed how they ignore whoever they don't want to win and cover extensively who they do want, is that either Hillary or Trump was an acceptable President and the campaign itself was a scripted sham. Entertaining, yes but a scripted sham nonetheless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    So Trump's only option would have been to make an agreement with the deep state to let him reduce the rate of growth for a couple years, but then in return he has to help them start another big war.

    Otherwise the reality is that he is up against something that you can't quite comprehend.
    You must have inside information. All I know is Trump wants a wall, increases in military spending and signed a big overall spending increase that he could've vetoed.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The swamp has the gas pedal jammed down so of course it is still increasing, Trump however is not only slowing the increase but also beginning to roll some things back, he isn't an all powerful dictator and he has to make deals and keep less than perfect allies satisfied until he can solidify more control and get reinforcements elected.
    Not according to monthly treasury statements:

    https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsre...mt/current.htm

    OBAMA
    CY 2015 = 3.75T
    CY 2016 = 3.82T

    TRUMP
    CY 2017 = 4.02T
    CY 2018 = ? (it's more than last year thru June)

    And why did he appoint dovish Jerome Powell to head the Federal Reserve after he claimed we need higher interest rates? Why is he bragging about the stock market and unemployment figures when before the election he was trashing them? Is The Deep State controlling his mind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Change my mind about what? Wanting lower taxes? Being mandated to purchase health insurance? Preferring that liberals are a minority on the Supreme Court?

    Your comment makes no sense to me.
    The only good thing on that list is the Supreme Court nominations. Lower taxes are only good if you also lower spending. Dropping the insurance mandate is only good if you also drop the law that insurance companies have to cover sick people.

    The real problem, that dwarfs everything else, is the size of government and the size of the debt. And Trump is making those things worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Flashback:

    Trump Administration, Reversing Trend, Sheds 11,000 Federal Employees in Six Months
    https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits...months/140025/

    So Trump ordered the diet coke. Yay!

    But he also order the triple cheeseburger and the large fries and the apple pie. Overall spending is up.

  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    So Trump ordered the diet coke. Yay!

    But he also order the triple cheeseburger and the large fries and the apple pie. Overall spending is up.
    Americans love instant gratification. SMDH

    None of this happened overnight, and none of it can go away overnight without total chaos breaking out. Being patient and understanding what Trump is up against should help you to understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I can't even seriously respond to your posts. Either you're shilling or completely deluded beyond repair. I admit that I thought Bernie was being set up as President, so yes I read the final outcome incorrectly but:



    Damn. Just damn. The media completely set Trump up from day one to be the GOP nominee. Never has a candidate been given so much free publicity by the media while practically ignoring everyone else in the field. Front and center debate after debate. Every rally covered extensively. Trump didn't have to spend a dime. What this says, especially if you were around during Ron's campaigns when the media showed how they ignore whoever they don't want to win and cover extensively who they do want, is that either Hillary or Trump was an acceptable President and the campaign itself was a scripted sham. Entertaining, yes but a scripted sham nonetheless.
    I am simply sharing with you my observations. You said you don't understand what is happening, so I am attempting to help you understand. I may be wrong here, but I did make 5 times my money when I bet on Trump to beat Hillary while most others said Hillary would win. Did you see that result clearly? Did you understand what was happening then?

    I know that you see everything as a giant conspiracy and to be sure there are major conspiracies in our national politics, but I think sometimes you miss the simple stuff.

    Trump certainly played the media for free press. He knows them and has been dealing with them for decades. Frankly I think he is smarter than them which is why he beats them consistently. Do you remember when he held a press conference to address his opinion on Obama's birth? He used 95% of his time to promote all of his military general endorsements. Trump know their game and beats them at it.

    The media thought they would destroy Trump with all of their cries of racism, just like they did to Ron Paul. But Trump isn't a gentleman like Dr. Paul. Trump is pompous and full of himself and doesn't defend himself against the press, but rather goes on the attack.

    As to Jeb!, he was supposed to be the sensible choice. Trump destroying him was not something the media foresaw. Once it was clear that Jeb! wasn't capturing the voters, they changed gears.

    I don't know what you think I could possibly be shilling for, but I can tell you that your read on this whole situation has been off. Bernie was never a choice of TPTB. They want people who will play ball, which is why they hate Ron Paul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    The only good thing on that list is the Supreme Court nominations. Lower taxes are only good if you also lower spending. Dropping the insurance mandate is only good if you also drop the law that insurance companies have to cover sick people.

    The real problem, that dwarfs everything else, is the size of government and the size of the debt. And Trump is making those things worse.
    I agree with you that there is no effort to reduce our national debt. Regardless of that though, there are some good things happening. I am a glass half full kind of guy and I like that were are moving away from the direction of the global socialists. Your results may vary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    The only good thing on that list is the Supreme Court nominations. Lower taxes are only good if you also lower spending. Dropping the insurance mandate is only good if you also drop the law that insurance companies have to cover sick people.

    The real problem, that dwarfs everything else, is the size of government and the size of the debt. And Trump is making those things worse.
    + Rep

    It's funny that even in RPF people tend to get distracted by the lights and whistles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Americans love instant gratification. SMDH

    None of this happened overnight, and none of it can go away overnight without total chaos breaking out. Being patient and understanding what Trump is up against should help you to understand.
    Apparently Trump Derangement Syndrome works both ways.



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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post

    Damn. Just damn. The media completely set Trump up from day one to be the GOP nominee. Never has a candidate been given so much free publicity by the media while practically ignoring everyone else in the field. Front and center debate after debate. Every rally covered extensively. Trump didn't have to spend a dime. What this says, especially if you were around during Ron's campaigns when the media showed how they ignore whoever they don't want to win and cover extensively who they do want, is that either Hillary or Trump was an acceptable President and the campaign itself was a scripted sham. Entertaining, yes but a scripted sham nonetheless.
    I've been saying this since the whole start of the presidential run. There is really no such thing as "bad press". Trump was given mega press ON PURPOSE.

    If TPTB had not wanted Trump, he would have been completely ignored- just like Ron Paul.
    There is no spoon.

  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Apparently Trump Derangement Syndrome works both ways.
    There's nothing so useful for dividing and conquering as a two-edged sword.

    So last week Germany was bad because they're 'in Russia's pocket'. This week Russia is good. And this proves...what, exactly?

    It certainly proves that the media pretending their heads are exploding can still distract us from the facts that we're still in the Afghan Quagmire, the dollar's still failing, real wages are still declining, the corporations still run Washington and the world still hates us. But what else does it prove? That the attention span of Americans is so short that they'll buy a president that slams Russia one week and praises them the next?

    What difference does Russia really make one way or the other?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    If TPTB had not wanted Trump, he would have been completely ignored- just like Ron Paul.
    Can the obvious truth be spammed enough to make it heard? It appears that 'glass half full kind of guys' must allow inconvenient truths like this to pass in one ear and out the other. There doesn't appear to be any power on earth that can stop such a truth in between.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post

    Trump certainly played the media for free press. He knows them and has been dealing with them for decades. Frankly I think he is smarter than them which is why he beats them consistently. Do you remember when he held a press conference to address his opinion on Obama's birth? He used 95% of his time to promote all of his military general endorsements. Trump know their game and beats them at it.
    Uh, Beats them??? You do realize that the media are making a killing off of Trump - just as they expected. He's certainly delivered on his promise to that special interest - the ratings are HUGE! In fact, if you would have measured the in-kind donations by that special interest group, they would have surpassed all other special interest group campaign donations combined. And, he's been paying them back ever since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    There's nothing so useful for dividing and conquering as a two-edged sword.

    So last week Germany was bad because they're 'in Russia's pocket'. This week Russia is good. And this proves...what, exactly?

    It certainly proves that the media pretending their heads are exploding can still distract us from the facts that we're still in the Afghan Quagmire, the dollar's still failing, real wages are still declining, the corporations still run Washington and the world still hates us. But what else does it prove? That the attention span of Americans is so short that they'll buy a president that slams Russia one week and praises them the next?

    What difference does Russia really make one way or the other?



    Can the obvious truth be spammed enough to make it heard? It appears that 'glass half full kind of guys' must allow inconvenient truths like this to pass in one ear and out the other. There doesn't appear to be any power on earth that can stop such a truth in between.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to acptulsa again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    I've been saying this since the whole start of the presidential run. There is really no such thing as "bad press". Trump was given mega press ON PURPOSE.

    If TPTB had not wanted Trump, he would have been completely ignored- just like Ron Paul.
    Trump was pushed through the mid stages of the GOP Primary as a potential sacrifice for Hillary. But no one ever thought he would fight back so aggressively and revolutionize Twitter.
    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Uh, Beats them??? You do realize that the media are making a killing off of Trump - just as they expected. He's certainly delivered on his promise to that special interest - the ratings are HUGE! In fact, if you would have measured the in-kind donations by that special interest group, they would have surpassed all other special interest group campaign donations combined. And, he's been paying them back ever since.
    So are you of the belief that our liberal media is enjoying having Trump as the president?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    So are you of the belief that our liberal media is enjoying having Trump as the president?
    You bet your ass.

    So are you of the belief that they aren't in the entertainment business?

    They're all limited to reporting the same Approved Pablum. They all sound just alike. The only thing that passes for competition between them is who can screech the loudest and get the most attention pretending to have meltdowns. Why wouldn't they be enjoying this crap?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    So are you of the belief that our liberal media is enjoying having Trump as the president?
    They definitely are, just as the "conservative" media loves it when there is a democrat president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    So are you of the belief that our liberal media is enjoying having Trump as the president?
    Have you not figured this out, yet??

    When dealing with media, you need to look at line space or airtime. Those things are in limited supply and are the only things they can use to attract $$. So instead of looking at the words as "positive" or "negative", simply look at where they are spending their resources. Because they are doing it to get a return on their investments. Just like every other industry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You bet your ass.

    So are you of the belief that they aren't in the entertainment business?

    They're all limited to reporting the same Approved Pablum. They all sound just alike. The only thing that passes for competition between them is who can screech the loudest and get the most attention pretending to have meltdowns. Why wouldn't they be enjoying this crap?
    No. Because they hate him. I meant the question in a personal sense, not a business sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Have you not figured this out, yet??

    When dealing with media, you need to look at line space or airtime. Those things are in limited supply and are the only things they can use to attract $$. So instead of looking at the words as "positive" or "negative", simply look at where they are spending their resources. Because they are doing it to get a return on their investments. Just like every other industry.
    The liberals in the media don't like having Trump as their president. It certainly is good for business over at MSNBC, but that isn't what I was asking about. Meanwhile over at CNN their business is suffering because their viewership is dropping and that makes their ad spot worth less and less. Certainly though the public is paying more attention to politics than ever before and that is good for all news/entertainment programs.

    Just to be clear, I view CNN as a talk show program with tabloid hosts, like Maury Povich. They are most definitely not journalists reporting news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    No. Because they hate him. I meant the question in a personal sense, not a business sense.



    The liberals in the media don't like having Trump as their president. It certainly is good for business over at MSNBC, but that isn't what I was asking about.
    When you go to the circus, don't get distracted by the clowns. You are still paying attention to the "show" and are losing sight of why that show is being put on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    There's nothing so useful for dividing and conquering as a two-edged sword.

    So last week Germany was bad because they're 'in Russia's pocket'. This week Russia is good. And this proves...what, exactly?

    It certainly proves that the media pretending their heads are exploding can still distract us from the facts that we're still in the Afghan Quagmire, the dollar's still failing, real wages are still declining, the corporations still run Washington and the world still hates us. But what else does it prove? That the attention span of Americans is so short that they'll buy a president that slams Russia one week and praises them the next?

    What difference does Russia really make one way or the other?



    Can the obvious truth be spammed enough to make it heard? It appears that 'glass half full kind of guys' must allow inconvenient truths like this to pass in one ear and out the other. There doesn't appear to be any power on earth that can stop such a truth in between.
    My point on Trump Derangement Syndrome working both ways is that you have people that are deranged against Trump and people that are deranged for Trump.

    I feel like I'm one of the few who has escaped TDS since I'm my posts tend to be 50-50, sometimes I'll defend Trump sometimes I'll trash him. Well maybe it's 60-40, I tend to trash him a little more than I defend him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    My point on Trump Derangement Syndrome working both ways is that you have people that are deranged against Trump and people that are deranged for Trump.
    Yeah, that's what I meant by two-edged sword. He serves them well as a lightning rod, he distracts people from the real problems this federal government is causing for all of us, and he manages to ensure that neither Republican nor Democratic citizens can think straight. Democrats don't get what they want, but have someone to blame, and Republicans don't get what they want either, but since what they mostly want is circuses, they think they're getting what they want.

    The Powers that Be couldn't ask for anything more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Yeah, that's what I meant by two-edged sword. He serves them well as a lightning rod, he distracts people from the real problems this federal government is causing for all of us, and he manages to ensure that neither Republican nor Democratic citizens can think straight. Democrats don't get what they want, but have someone to blame, and Republicans don't get what they want either, but since what they mostly want is circuses, they think they're getting what they want.

    The Powers that Be couldn't ask for anything more.
    Exactly.

    This has everyone fighting, thinking there's an actual left/right, when it's just bread & circuses for TPTB to keep everyone arguing and totally missing what's really going on.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    When you go to the circus, don't get distracted by the clowns. You are still paying attention to the "show" and are losing sight of why that show is being put on.
    Please describe this show that I am missing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Exactly.

    This has everyone fighting, thinking there's an actual left/right, when it's just bread & circuses for TPTB to keep everyone arguing and totally missing what's really going on.
    There is a fight going on with real repercussions, but it's far more complex than this. And yes, Trump is an ally in all this. Trump may not be the savior that some of his supporters have characterized him as, but he's definitely embroiled in a titanic battle for the future of this country.
    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Please describe this show that I am missing.
    How many times do we need to repeat ourselves?

    You have an electorate up in arms, especially the Republicans. They are so disgusted with the status quo that silly old Ron Paul won a couple of primaries, and they completely tipped their hand when they robbed him if those victories.


    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    But no matter how often I ask, none of them ever tell me how they would convince a bunch of voters who are disgusted with the Establishment, but too lazy to do any research, to vote for their tool of choice.

    The simple fact of the matter is, A constant stream of negative coverage of Your Tool pre-election followed by absurd levels of outrage and CIA-pushed fake news stories after the election is clearly the most logical strategy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    There is a fight going on with real repercussions, but it's far more complex than this. And yes, Trump is an ally in all this. Trump may not be the savior that some of his supporters have characterized him as, but he's definitely embroiled in a titanic battle for the future of this country.
    Oh, Trump's an ally, all right. Just not ours.

    Not that he never would be. Trump is on Trump's side. If we were to suddenly appear to be winning, he'd become our ally in a second. But until then, we can go hang with his chambermaids he had deported and the contractors he has screwed.

    And on some level--on some level--you have to know it.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 07-18-2018 at 08:40 PM.
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    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.

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    Do people here honestly think that the MSM would rather have Trump in power just so they can keep their ratings?

    These are a little old.
    http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/16/cn...op-30-percent/
    https://news.gallup.com/poll/195542/...s-new-low.aspx

    The invasion from Central America is the single greatest threat to liberty currently facing this country. Trump is an ally in this regard. If Trump withdraws from Syria and Afghanistan, he is an ally. If Trump brings about a détente with Russia, he is an ally. If he doesn't start a major war, he is an ally. If he discredits the deep state, he is an ally. Hell, most people didn't even know what the deep state was before Trump. If he exposes the lunatic Left, he is an ally. Trump sure as hell isn't perfect, but there is a lot more good coming from his presidency than bad. And if it wasn't for Trump, Hillary would have won. Anyone that thinks that Trump is just as bad as Hillary would have been is absolutely delusional.

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