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    Thumbs up Rand may vote against Kavanaugh


    Breaking with many Republican colleagues, the Kentucky senator Rand Paul has revealed his concern over Donald Trump’s nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to replace Anthony Kennedy on the supreme court.

    Paul told Fox and Friends on Sunday he was worried Kavanaugh, a judge on the DC circuit court of appeals, could cancel out supreme court justice Neil Gorsuch’s vote on fourth-amendment cases and allow the federal government to collect the phone records of millions of Americans.

    Kavanaugh’s confirmation rests on a knife edge. Republicans hold a 51-49 advantage in the Senate. They need a simple majority or a tie broken by Vice-President Mike Pence to confirm Kavanaugh as Trump’s second supreme court pic, after Gorsuch.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ick/ar-AAA738x
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    There are Dems that will vote for him
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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    There are Dems that will vote for him
    There are also at least two more liberal Swampublicans that may vote against, the left is also looking to "Bork" him so that Trump will withdraw the nomination.

    I wish them luck, it will turn SCOTUS into a get out the vote issue for the mid terms and give us another shot at someone better like Lee.
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    I don't think he'll vote against him unless Kavanaugh flounders horribly. He'll ask some questions and expose Kavanaughs weaknesses.
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    I hope he does, he sucks on most everything but the second as far as I can tell and I don't need a judge for help there.
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    Not going to happen.
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    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    I hope he does, he sucks on most everything but the second as far as I can tell and I don't need a judge for help there.
    His position on the 2ndA is less than perfect as well, there are worse judges but that is all that can be said for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    There are Dems that will vote for him
    Does Trump really want him to be confirmed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Does Trump really want him to be confirmed?
    I would say yes he does. What that means is anyone's guess.
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    Not going to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    What a crock of $#@!. Everyone here knows damn well that Rand will make some hay, have a few news conferences to frame the appearance of a possible 'no vote', but he would not buck Trump's pick.

    Sorry, but Rand just doesn't have the balls to vote No on Kavanaugh.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    What a crock of $#@!. Everyone here knows damn well that Rand will make some hay, have a few news conferences to frame the appearance of a possible 'no vote', but he would not buck Trump's pick.

    Sorry, but Rand just doesn't have the balls to vote No on Kavanaugh.....
    ^^^I'm gonna go with this. ^^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    ^^^I'm gonna go with this. ^^^
    Depends if they "need" his vote. If it's a lock with dems going his way, it might free Rand up to vote "No". Otherwise, I totally agree. If they need Rand to confirm, he will confirm.
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    I wish Rand would stop doing this. I don't see how it helps his own credibility. Either say you'll confirm him or you won't--it's not like you're going to learn much more just from talking to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    What a crock of $#@!. Everyone here knows damn well that Rand will make some hay, have a few news conferences to frame the appearance of a possible 'no vote', but he would not buck Trump's pick.

    Sorry, but Rand just doesn't have the balls to vote No on Kavanaugh.....
    I don't see anything wrong that. It isn't a matter of balls. Last time I checked Rand didn't win the election. Disagreeing with someone on a small issue that is debated even among libertarians is not a reason to vote against.

    I would vote to confirm Kavanaugh if I were in the Senate. Period. The only thing Rand is doing wrong is acting like his vote is in doubt. It does get on Sunday shows to talk against the issues so maybe isn't so terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    I wish Rand would stop doing this. I don't see how it helps his own credibility. Either say you'll confirm him or you won't--it's not like you're going to learn much more just from talking to him.
    Exactly.


    It was stuff like the Pompeo nomination which is why he had nearly 0% support in 2016
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    http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...d-on-kavanaugh

    Rand Paul: 'I am honestly undecided’ on Kavanaugh

    This is getting old.
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    Rand knows way more than you two, why don't you just sit back and watch the master..
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    How much you want to bet Rand and Trump discuss Kavanaugh while Rand is there talking about cutting off Brennan's security clearance. He's built up enough good will to side step when he needs to.

    He did vote against Comey and Brennan and he was right to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    He did vote against Comey and Brennan and he was right to do so.
    But muh Randflops!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    How much you want to bet Rand and Trump discuss Kavanaugh while Rand is there talking about cutting off Brennan's security clearance. He's built up enough good will to side step when he needs to.

    He did vote against Comey and Brennan and he was right to do so.
    Yes but most recently he caved and voted for Pompeo
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Does Trump really want him to be confirmed?
    I say... no.

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    President Donald Trump on Monday expressed his appreciation to Sen. Rand Paul for his promise to support the confirmation of Judge Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court.

    “Thank you to @RandPaul for your YES on a future great Justice of the Supreme Court, Brett Kavanaugh,” Trump wrote in a Monday evening tweet. “Your vote means a lot to me, and to everyone who loves our Country!” (RELATED: RAND’S REVEAL: PAUL JUST ANNOUNCED HIS DECISION ON THE KAVANAUGH CONFIRMATION)
    Thank you to @RandPaul for your YES on a future great Justice of the Supreme Court, Brett Kavanaugh. Your vote means a lot to me, and to everyone who loves our Country!
    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 30, 2018

    More at: http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/30/tr...naugh-support/
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    Yep, Rand sold out once again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Yep, Rand sold out once again

    No, he didn't.
    Yes, I'm still fighting you on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Yep, Rand sold out once again
    What does this mean?

    Did he sell out for a sex prostitute? Did he sell out for personal financial gain?

    Or did he gain political capital that he can and will use to further the cause of liberty? If he had voted "No", would it have changed any political outcome? On the other hand, will his "Yes" vote help get something passed along the lines of health care associations across state lines and elimination of the individual mandate?
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Yep, Rand sold out once again
    Unless his vote makes the difference in Kavanaugh's confirmation then keeping Trump's ear is much more valuable than making a protest vote, if that is "selling out" then I say it is a good deal.

    There is room in politics for tacticians as well as martyrs.
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    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    This is called the roundabout strategy, see Mark Spitznagel. You effectively take small losses to reap a huge gain in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kona View Post
    This is called the roundabout strategy, see Mark Spitznagel. You effectively take small losses to reap a huge gain in the future.
    This is called "how to lose in the long run" strategy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Unless his vote makes the difference in Kavanaugh's confirmation then keeping Trump's ear is much more valuable than making a protest vote, if that is "selling out" then I say it is a good deal.

    There is room in politics for tacticians as well as martyrs.
    He will still have Trump's ear either way. And influence is only a goal for fools. If Rand's vote made the difference, then all the more reason to stand on principle. If his vote didn't make a difference then all the more reason to stand on principle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Or did he gain political capital that he can and will use to further the cause of liberty? If he had voted "No", would it have changed any political outcome? On the other hand, will his "Yes" vote help get something passed along the lines of health care associations across state lines and elimination of the individual mandate?
    No such thing as political "capital".... see above post.
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