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    Default Trash, China now refusing to 'recycle' for US

    Whodda thunk?



    Trash wars: US drowning in its own waste, blaming China for rejecting ‘recycled commodities’

    https://www.rt.com/business/432912-u...ndfills-china/

    Hundreds of tons of waste that Americans believed they were recycling is now piling up in processing plants or being dumped into landfills, as China’s decision to stop buying garbage for environmental reasons begins to bite.
    Beijing’s 2017 decision to ban imports of 24 varieties of trash brought to light the real destination of most Western recyclables: They were shipped to Chinese factories, where they would be cleaned up and repurposed into raw materials. China bought half of all US scrap last year, and has recycled 72 percent of all the world’s plastic since 1992, according to a study in the journal Science Advances.


    All of that abruptly came to a halt when China decided to stop almost all imports of paper and plastic waste, and have set a .5 percent ceiling on contaminants in cardboard and metal waste, which most US trash processing plants have been unable to meet.

    “There is no single and, frankly, probably not even a group of countries, that can take in the volume that China used to take,” Adina Renee Adler, of the Institute of Scrap Recycling Industries in Washington, DC told AFP. “The biggest issue here is that China just gave very little time for the industry to transition.”

    Garbage previously shipped to China is now piling up in places like the processing plant in Elkridge, Maryland, where tons of trash arrive every day from the US capital. The District is already paying $75-a-ton for recycling, and only $46-per-ton for garbage that is being burned to generate electricity.

    “There was a time a few years ago when it was cheaper to recycle. It's just not the case anymore,” said Christopher Shorter, director of public works for Washington, DC. The city is reportedly thinking of charging residents for garbage by weight.

    Bill Caesar, head of the Houston, Texas-based waste company WCA, has warned that Americans are “going to have to start paying more for the privilege of recycling.”

    The US has very little domestic capability to process and recycle waste, having become used to literally shipping it overseas for decades. One conservative columnist pointed to the pileup as proof that recycling has been a scam all along.

    “The dirty secret of recycling is that it depended on the willingness of Third World countries to greenwash our trash so that progressives could pretend that their moral garbage was saving the planet,” Daniel Greenfield wrote in Front Page magazine on Thursday.

    Complicating matters further is the ongoing trade war between Washington and Beijing. The Trump administration has imposed tariffs on a number of Chinese imports, with China responding in kind.

    In March, the US delegation to the World Trade Organization demanded that Beijing continue buying up US waste.

    “China’s import restrictions on recycled commodities have caused a fundamental disruption in global supply chains for scrap materials, directing them away from productive reuse and toward disposal,” a US spokesperson pointed out at the WTO session in Geneva, demanding that “China immediately halt implementation and revise these measures in a manner consistent with existing international standards for trade in scrap materials.”

    Beijing responded by announcing it would stop buying 32 additional varieties of waste.



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    But, but... the US makes the highest quality garbage on the planet.

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    The US has very little domestic capability to process and recycle waste, having become used to literally shipping it overseas for decades.
    So there are possible negative consequences to outsourcing your industries to other countries leaving no domestic capabilities?! The hell you say.

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    Sounds like a real opportunity for California. Process garbage to produce electricity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Sounds like a real opportunity for California. Process garbage to produce electricity.
    Works for voters, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    So there are possible negative consequences to outsourcing your industries to other countries leaving no domestic capabilities?! The hell you say.
    Globalism fail, summed up neatly in two sentences.

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    “The dirty secret of recycling is that it depended on the willingness of Third World countries to greenwash our trash so that progressives could pretend that their moral garbage was saving the planet,” Daniel Greenfield wrote in Front Page magazine on Thursday.
    And that.

    The whole recycling shibboleth is a scam.

    Steel glass and aluminum are, IIRC, the only things that end up being a net positive in energy savings to recycle.

    All the rest is a loss, using more energy and creating more pollution, than just dumping it in landfill.

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    I can't believe garbage doesn't have any value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    So there are possible negative consequences to outsourcing your industries to other countries leaving no domestic capabilities?! The hell you say.
    Sounds like a perfect business opportunity for city dwellers..

    I'm thinking their 'recycling' needs should be handled within their own borders.

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    The barrel has a rain lid and a screen lid to keep burning paper from flying off. It has a steel channel air draft to provide combustion air to the bottom of the barrel. The unit rotates on the stand to allow the ashes to be easily dumped into a wheelbarrow, or piled for later disposal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    I can't believe garbage doesn't have any value.
    Could be a business opportunity..

    Pretty funny we used to go so far to ship so much recyclables. People thought they were being green were sending ships across the ocean.. but I guess they had to get back to China some how.
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    Who do they think they are? Where else would you put trash if not the third world?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    And that.

    The whole recycling shibboleth is a scam.

    Steel glass and aluminum are, IIRC, the only things that end up being a net positive in energy savings to recycle.

    All the rest is a loss, using more energy and creating more pollution, than just dumping it in landfill.
    If it had any real value, they wouldn't charge me extra for separating it for them. (Hint: I don't.)
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    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post


    The barrel has a rain lid and a screen lid to keep burning paper from flying off. It has a steel channel air draft to provide combustion air to the bottom of the barrel. The unit rotates on the stand to allow the ashes to be easily dumped into a wheelbarrow, or piled for later disposal.

    Would love to have that first barrel!

    The second barrel is for composting, not burning though. My neighbor has one he doesn't use. I have my eye on it - next time he talks about needing money for something, that baby is going in my backyard.
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




    Reprinted from http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/immigration/ [Nov. 29, 2011]

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    So there are possible negative consequences to outsourcing your industries to other countries leaving no domestic capabilities?! The hell you say.
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