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    Trump Pushes for Conservative Nationalism in Europe

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/whi...-world-n890706

    BRUSSELS — President Donald Trump has picked on some seemingly unlikely targets around the world of late: Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, British Prime Minister Theresa May and German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

    All three are more-or-less establishment figures running Western democracies that have long been allied with the U.S., and yet Trump seems bent on treating them more like adversaries.

    Trump called Trudeau "dishonest" and "weak" last month. He has opted not to offer support for May so far this week as her government teeters on the brink of dissolution. And on Wednesday, he called Merkel's Germany a "captive of Russia" — a reference to the Nord Stream II gas pipeline project that has drawn criticism from Merkel's political left and right.

    If ever there was a chance for Trump to tilt the balance of global power toward conservative nationalism and away from the old liberal democratic order, this week is it. And by trashing Germany and questioning the value of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization on Wednesday, Trump suggested he’s all in on taking a hammer to the latter.

    His criticism of Merkel could embolden her right-wing domestic adversaries at a time when she's been weakened by a fight over immigration policy, and even a modest push from Trump could help topple May and deliver her job to a Tory who is more committed to isolating Britain from the European Union. While Trudeau is hardly in a precarious position, he is slowly but surely getting lonelier as the leader of a major democratic nation committed to international economic and defense accords.

    After sitting down with Merkel Wednesday — and after launching his visit here by tearing into Germany over both the pipeline and its failure to hit a NATO target for defense spending — Trump is due to meet with May Thursday and Friday in the U.K. He has said her political fate is "up to the people."

    But it probably isn't — and Trump probably knows that. May's most immediate problem is a push from within her own party to sack her with a no-confidence vote among party caucus members. If someone — perhaps just-resigned Foreign Minister Boris Johnson — can put together the votes to succeed her, May could be gone within a matter of weeks.

    Her crime, in the eyes of national populists: Trying to engineer a softer exit from the E.U. than many of her colleagues wanted. Now her wisdom and judgment are being questioned not by the opposition Labor Party, but by fellow conservatives in the U.K. and around the world.

    "Trump visit couldn't come at a worse time for May," one U.S. source with ties to U.K. conservatives said, adding that there is a "big push" to dump her.

    Trump could show a sign of support for May, or refuse to take her side — or even possibly become an active part of the movement to replace her. Anything less than a full-throated endorsement would naturally be taken as a sign that Trump doesn't favor her remaining in power.

    And, so far, he has withheld such an endorsement.

    At the same time, Trump is eager to sit down with Russian President Vladimir Putin, a nationalist leader upon whom Trump has showered praise in the past. Rather than friend or foe, Trump has characterized Putin as a "competitor" in the international arena — even after Russia meddled in the 2016 election and even as Trump administration officials and members of both parties in Congress say Russia is continuing to try influence future elections.

    Trump isn't just cozying up to a longtime foe and giving the cold shoulder to staunch allies. He's also making life difficult for leaders who have stood in the way of the conservative nationalist politics that have swept Europe and the U.S. over the last several years.

    Now, with his up-close look at May imminent, the question is whether Trump will follow through in helping like-minded conservatives take her out or whether he will prevail on them to back down. It's hard to see him risking political capital to help save her, which suggests just how much peril she's in.

    Trump prizes disruption — sometimes for its own sake — and promotes nationalism around the globe. There may be no simpler expression of those goals than bludgeoning members of an alliance for not spending more money building their own militaries.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 07-11-2018 at 06:37 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    for
    Do you need medical attention?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Do you need medical attention?
    Prematurely hit post by mistake. Updated.
    Donald Trump: 'What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening'

    "Truth isn't truth"- Rudy Giuliani

    "China has total respect for Donald Trump and for Donald Trump's very, very large brain," - Donald Trump.

    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
    Quote Originally Posted by Dforkus View Post
    Zippy's posts are a great contribution.




    Disrupt, Deny, Deflate. Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3): http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...eptive-members

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    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Good.
    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Ryan
    In Washington you can see them everywhere: the Parasites and baby Stalins sucking the life out of a once-great nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post

    To be fair, he's pretty balanced overall and not very conservative on everything.

    On gay weddings, bathrooms, big gummit spending, police state, gun rights, path to DACA etc he's quite liberal.
    Although he hasn't admired Canada's healthcare system since taking office, so could be tad bit evolving inspired by his GOP base audiences warm claps.



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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    To be fair, he's pretty balanced overall and not very conservative on everything.
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    On gay weddings,
    This hasn't been demonstrated while in office and the military trans ban indicates against it.


    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    bathrooms,
    Actually his administration has been undoing O'Bummer's handiwork on that issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    big gummit spending, police state,
    Here is record is less than perfect.
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    gun rights, path to DACA etc
    So far that has only been manifest in words while there have been deeds that indicate otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    he's quite liberal.
    "Quite" is too strong, he may have some slight liberal leanings.

    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Although he hasn't admired Canada's healthcare system since taking office, so could be tad bit evolving inspired by his GOP base audiences warm claps.
    Or he might have been saying things he didn't mean before in order to please the rich and powerful he had to deal with in his business life.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    This hasn't been demonstrated while in office and the military trans ban indicates against it.



    Actually his administration has been undoing O'Bummer's handiwork on that issue.

    Here is record is less than perfect.

    So far that has only been manifest in words while there have been deeds that indicate otherwise.


    "Quite" is too strong, he may have some slight liberal leanings.


    Or he might have been saying things he didn't mean before in order to please the rich and powerful he had to deal with in his business life.
    You make some good points but seem bit generous based on record of last 2 years while discounting record of last 20 years.

    If your suggestion about his motives is true, let's hope that practice no longer continues and he does not say/do things to please others against his own convictions.
    Hope you didn't imply that he doesn't have any convictions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Do you need medical attention?
    Nah, he just hit another one off the fairway.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
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    @Zippyjuan

    That is a very pro-Trump article you posted... You know that, right?

    Your Trump-love is starting to show a little bit.
    1. Don't lie.
    2. Don't cheat.
    3. Don't steal.
    4. Don't kill.
    5. Don't commit adultery.
    6. Don't covet what your neighbor has, especially his wife.
    7. Honor your father and mother.
    8. Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.
    9. Donít use your Higher Power's name in vain, or anyone else's.
    10. Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

    "For the love of money is the root of all evil..." -- I Timothy 6:10, KJV

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    @Zippyjuan

    That is a very pro-Trump article you posted... You know that, right?

    Your Trump-love is starting to show a little bit.
    A rogue agent - Zippy - is covertly working on converting the rest of the office to Trump. He is also suspected of inhaling some liberty principles while working on a site supporting Ron Paul. He was recently heard saying to his boss - "I don't really give a $#@! what you think". This prompted an internal investigation to examine his ties to Russia and the source of his $#@!-you money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    A rogue agent - Zippy - is covertly working on converting the rest of the office to Trump. He is also suspected of inhaling some liberty principles while working on a site supporting Ron Paul. He was recently heard saying to his boss - "I don't really give a $#@! what you think". This prompted an internal investigation to examine his ties to Russia and the source of his $#@!-you money.
    lol
    1. Don't lie.
    2. Don't cheat.
    3. Don't steal.
    4. Don't kill.
    5. Don't commit adultery.
    6. Don't covet what your neighbor has, especially his wife.
    7. Honor your father and mother.
    8. Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.
    9. Donít use your Higher Power's name in vain, or anyone else's.
    10. Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

    "For the love of money is the root of all evil..." -- I Timothy 6:10, KJV

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    A rogue agent - Zippy - is covertly working on converting the rest of the office to Trump. He is also suspected of inhaling some liberty principles while working on a site supporting Ron Paul. He was recently heard saying to his boss - "I don't really give a $#@! what you think". This prompted an internal investigation to examine his ties to Russia and the source of his $#@!-you money.
    Perhaps Zip has been in the pay of Putin since his visit to E. Germany where Putin used to be stationed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I have been to Germany. Nice country. Also East Germany.
    Last edited by Swordsmyth; 07-12-2018 at 01:23 AM.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Perhaps Zip has been in the pay of Putin since his visit to E. Germany where Putin used to be stationed?
    It's time to call for a Special Prosecutor.

    TheCount can be the deep-throat informer.
    1. Don't lie.
    2. Don't cheat.
    3. Don't steal.
    4. Don't kill.
    5. Don't commit adultery.
    6. Don't covet what your neighbor has, especially his wife.
    7. Honor your father and mother.
    8. Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.
    9. Donít use your Higher Power's name in vain, or anyone else's.
    10. Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

    "For the love of money is the root of all evil..." -- I Timothy 6:10, KJV

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    @Zippyjuan

    That is a very pro-Trump article you posted... You know that, right?

    Your Trump-love is starting to show a little bit.
    The US needs to be more involved in the politics of other countries. Isn't that how Ron Paul would want it?
    Donald Trump: 'What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening'

    "Truth isn't truth"- Rudy Giuliani

    "China has total respect for Donald Trump and for Donald Trump's very, very large brain," - Donald Trump.

    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The US needs to be more involved in the politics of other countries. Isn't that how Ron Paul would want it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The US needs to be more involved in the politics of other countries. Isn't that how Ron Paul would want it?
    We should set an example that shines the light of liberty throughout the world.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment



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