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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
No $#@!. I'm sure their wives and families are too. Theirs is surely a case of BLM abuse which continues to this day. The BLM has revoked all grazing rights, because once the BLM goes after you they stop at nothing to destroy you, and they need to be there to save what they can. Miscarriage of justice all around.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Citizen of Arizona
@cleaner4d4
I am a libertarian. I am advocating everyone enjoy maximum freedom on both personal and economic issues as long as they do not bring violence unto others.
I was hoping this was the one thread in this sub-forum that would not have turned into the pro-Trump, anti-Trump back and forths.
Nope.
Good move Trump.
"Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."
Calvin Coolidge
Trump isn't my guy, he is the current president that I have to deal with. I had to deal with criminals like Obama, Bush, Clinton and Bush. I was in high school for Reagan and just thought he was dumb for increasing our debt. Carter seemed like a dope and Nixon was a disgrace.
So now we have a business person, a real estate/construction guy and he just plain doing a better job that all of the previous career government workers. I never had any fondness for NY blowhards and Trump is the king of them. I do however have an appreciation for a president that actually gives a crap about pardoning people like the Hammonds. I am certain that I will never see a president that is up to my standards but Trump deserves credit for being better than all of the typical politicians before him. The American voter finally stepped out side of the box a little bit and I think that is healthy. I also think the Ron Paul R3VOLUTION helped make this happen.
I have no problem deferring to your opinion on Iran as I can't claim to know if the Iran deal was good or bad. At the same time I do have some faith in the competence of Trump. The guy is all about making deals and I think he makes more good ones than bad. Time will tell us for sure if breaking the Iran deal improves our situation. I see his war mongering as a negotiation tactic many times and the change in the NK situation is positive in my opinion. Jimmy Carter certainly was one of our more peaceful presidents, but he wasn't terribly effective overall.
Citizen of Arizona
@cleaner4d4
I am a libertarian. I am advocating everyone enjoy maximum freedom on both personal and economic issues as long as they do not bring violence unto others.
You just argued my exact point. You aren't comparing him to anyone that was ever good at anything but $#@!ting all over our country. You aren't saying that he is anything like any of our constitutional founding fathers, you are literally saying atleast its not Hitler, Stalin, Mao. He is totally your guy otherwise you wouldn't think that this is negotiation. You are basically saying $#@! diplomacy because he is my guy.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Of course I'm not saying he is anything like our founding fathers, who in the hell would do that?
I am literally saying he is a former Democrat, not a libertarian. I am literally saying he isn't Adolf Hitler, you are right.
I am not saying $#@! diplomacy. Don't put stupid words in my mouth please. A cheese steak sandwich is ok though.
Citizen of Arizona
@cleaner4d4
I am a libertarian. I am advocating everyone enjoy maximum freedom on both personal and economic issues as long as they do not bring violence unto others.
Yes, I am.
Given the current circumstances, I see no other option but to be.
Trump has taken initiatives to roll back regulations on a massive scale, to de-militarize the Korean peninsula, which will bring troops home, to defund NATO and bring troops home, to remove troops from Germany and bring them home, and to back us out of managed trade deals that hurt the middle class and reduce American independence.
The regulatory state, the empire and a hollowed out economy, I have held for years, are the root causes of the loss of liberty in this country and he is actively working on all three in a positive, if scatterbrained, way.
Things like pardoning the ranchers, is just icing on the cake that tipped me over.
This is great news! What it proves to me is that Trump cares about people enough to look into something and use his Presidential powers to right a wrong.
I only hope that President Trump follows this through and also sees how tyrannical the BLM really is and others who are sitting in jail for going up against the BLM using their first and second amendment rights to defend themselves against this tyrannical agency.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
The Iran deal was definitely a step in the right direction- probably one of the best things that Obama did- so of course, Mr. Golden Ego had to step in and cancel it.
The US has been meddling in Iran for at least 70 years and all for oil- it's time to GTF out of other countries.
And I would take a peaceful president who didn't "accomplish much" any day over these elitist-huge-ego-hypocrites any day. I'm sure RP would be considered "not very effective" if he were president.
There is no spoon.
No doubt the U.S. government has been screwing with Iran for 70 years and it is time to stop.
I also would take a peaceful president who didn't "accomplish much" over all of the other hypocrites any day. I value politicians that don't do much over those that craft tons of legislation that violate our rights. At the same time I value competence over incompetence. I want less laws, not more. I want less incompetent government workers, not more. I want politicians that do very little, but what they do, to do those things well.
Citizen of Arizona
@cleaner4d4
I am a libertarian. I am advocating everyone enjoy maximum freedom on both personal and economic issues as long as they do not bring violence unto others.
Can we please stop the Trump hate for one minute and praise him on this issue?
"Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."
Calvin Coolidge
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Nominate a Bush deep stater swamp foot soldier to SCOTUS then immediately pardon a couple of ranchers. Hmmm....no more pardons if no more Bush swampers put into hugely powerful positions? Or Bush swampers and pardons? Is that the choice? I'd probably go with no more swampers but that's just me. ymmv
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
The attorney for the Oregon ranching family that had two of its members sent to prison for arson and were pardoned by President Donald Trump says he is considering going to court to get their grazing rights restored.
Lawyer Morgan Philpot said in a telephone interview Wednesday that his firm is exploring potential civil lawsuits on behalf of the family to make sure they have their rights over land restored to them.
More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/latest-2-...185807416.html
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Before this news, I liked Trump for mainly ONE reason... pissing on Leftists, but now I can add this to the list.
Good job, Prez.
Ed and Elaine Brown should be next and Irwin Schiff posthumously in my opinion.
The Trump plan to avoid draining the swamp. A one time pardon, when an outrage becomes too well known. DON'T solve the underlying problem by fixing the rotten & corrupt system, because that would be draining the swamp.
A snappy press release and some tweets about how wonderful The Donald is, are much better. Save the Swamp!
Plastic fantastic Donald.
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