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    Tensions Rise As More U.S. Illegals Cross Border Into Canada

    Over 75 percent of the unlawful population has lived in the U.S. for more than ten years. Since President Trump is cracking down on immigration, these illegal immigrants, and even others who are losing their Temporary Protected Status (T.P.S.) because it is expiring, are looking for alternatives. A promising alternative appears to be Canada. In large measure that is because in January 2017, Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau responded to President Trump’s first travel ban by tweeting: “To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith…” As a result, Canada’s National Post newspaper recently reported that the country will soon have more American migrant border crossers than it has Syrian refugees - a significant burden on that country's absorptive capacity. Most of the migrants entering Canada from America are exploiting a loophole in the Safe Third Country Agreement. The Safe Third Country Agreement spells out that asylum seekers must make their claim in the country in which they first arrived. But that only applies when claims are made at official border ports of entry. If, however, asylum seekers reach Canadian territory by avoiding ports of entry, they become entitled to stay while their claims are processed. That is because of Canada’s Charter of Rights and Freedoms and because Canada is a signatory of the U.N. Refugee Convention. In this way, claimants knowingly avoid return to the U.S. and are placing a strain on Canadian federal, provincial and municipal resources.
    On average, different levels of government spend between $ 15,000 and $ 20,000 on processing each asylum claimant according to Michael MacDonald, Director General of Operations of the Citizenship and Immigration department. Illegal border crossers are eligible to obtain work permits and also have access to Canadian healthcare, public schools and even social assistance. As for the length of time they need support, Conservative Member of Parliament Michelle Rempel, pointed out that the “Immigration and Refugee Board is already reporting 11-year wait times for refugee hearings and is experiencing an alarming shortage of immigration judges.” What is more, only a small percentage of unsuccessful refugee claimants are being returned to their countries of citizenship. If it is going to take more than 10 years to get a hearing and even then only some will be returned home, for all intents and purposes, these people are permanent residents being supported by the public purse. So Canadian taxpayers could end up paying heavily for illegal immigration over many years. Considering the potential scale of the influx, Canadians are increasingly critical of Trudeau’s position.

    Many migrants from the U.S. have been arriving in Quebec. That province has appealed for help from other provinces. While the previous Ontario provincial government agreed to take some refugee claimants from Quebec, Premier Doug Ford, the new Conservative Premier, now says that his government is no longer going to co-operate with federal authorities on the resettlement of asylum-seekers. During a 40-minute meeting recently, Trudeau tried to persuade Ford to abide by the prior commitment of the province. Premier Ford refused. Instead he maintained that the federal government initiated the problem and should fix it. He said that provincial and municipal resources are already exhausted. Toronto Mayor John Tory added that largely due to the influx of these refugee claimants, the demand for city shelters has quadrupled compared to 2016, and the system has reached its capacity. In an alarming way, this intergovernmental conflict in Canada is a miniature re-enactment of what is happening in Europe between EU countries over the illegal migration of refugee claimants from Africa.

    More at: https://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjse.../#5484f6dc10d8
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    This is going to work out well for Canada!

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    Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Wednesday appointed a Member of Parliament as Minister of Border Security and Organized Crime Reduction as the country struggles to handle increased numbers of border-crossing asylum seekers.

    Lawmaker Bill Blair of Scarborough Southwest, a former Toronto police chief, will assume the role of “minister responsible for irregular migration.” He is tasked with helping to secure Canada’s porous border, illegally crossed by 30,000 people seeking refugee status since January 2017.
    An investigation by Reuters found a large number of migrants illegally crossed into Canada from the United States due to fears stemming from President Donald Trump’s immigration policies.
    Bill Blair becomes Minister of Border Security and Organized Crime Reduction: https://t.co/HwMhP0Tz5b #cdnpoli pic.twitter.com/89tIJWpOsG
    — CanadianPM (@CanadianPM) July 18, 2018
    “[The] federal Liberal government has come under fire from political opponents for not taking more aggressive action on the issue. This week the opposition Conservatives and NDP demanded an emergency study of the government’s response,” Reuters reports. Ontario Premier Doug Ford’s government has criticized Trudeau’s lack of leadership on Canada’s irregular immigration, accusing the embattled leader of encouraging “illegal border crossers to come into our country.”
    Ford’s spokesman Simon Jefferies said in a statement that Trudeau’s failed border security policies “resulted in a housing crisis, and threats to the services that Ontario families depend on. This mess was 100 per cent the result of the federal government, and the federal government should foot 100 per cent of the bills,” the statement continued.
    The move to appoint Blair follows Trudeau’s criticism of President Trump’s “zero-tolerance,” policy, causing child migrants to be separated from illegal border-crossing adults. Trudeau told the press he believes the separation of immigrant children from their families by U.S. border agents is “wrong.”
    "What's going on in the United States is wrong. I cannot image what the families are going through.This is not how we do things in Canada." pic.twitter.com/fKghxO1ZCr
    — Catherine Cullen (@cath_cullen) June 20, 2018
    “I can’t imagine what the families living through this are enduring. Obviously, this is not the way we do things in Canada,” Trudeau said. Shortly after Trudeau’s remarks, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) was seemingly caught changing its headline on a report exploring Canada’s detention of migrants.
    ��CBC headline this morning: Canada also detains migrant children, sometimes for months at a time
    ��Later Trudeau opens his mouth: This is not how we do things in Canada
    ��What happens then? CBC quietly changes the headline
    Wonder who called CBC?PMO or Gerry Butts himself? pic.twitter.com/ihNJ4aPEO6
    — ABL 2019 (@LibLaugh) June 21, 2018
    The psychological effects on minors detained by Canadian authorities have caused concern among experts. Some minors were found left “idle, sleeping or lying on the couches for long periods during the day,” and some experienced “psychiatric and academic difficulties long after detention,” according to a McGill University study.

    https://www.breitbart.com/national-s...sylum-seekers/
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    I'm getting tired of working. Maybe I should slip over the border into Canada, it's just a couple hours up the highway.....
    "The Patriarch"

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    They are not the US's illegals anymore. Canada owns them now.
    ...

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    As migrants continue to spill over the porous southern border, many politicians are calling the situation a “crisis” and are urging the government to do more. Some have even proposed putting up a fence along one of the longest borders in the world. The border in question, however, is not America’s border with Mexico, but Canada’s with the United States. Some estimate that as many as 400 a day are crossing the 5,525 mile border between Canada and the U.S. through non-official ports of entry and with provincial elections looming, the issue is causing political ramifications.


    This situation has created political tension across Canada, with conservatives laying blame for the “crisis” squarely at the feet of Justin Trudeau’s government. Shortly after President Trump took office, the Canadian prime minister issued a now-infamous Tweet saying that all refugees would be welcome in his country, with the hashtag #WelcomeToCanada.
    To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada
    — Justin Trudeau (@JustinTrudeau) January 28, 2017
    Many, such as the opposition Conservative Party’s shadow Minister for Immigration, Michelle Rempel, have said that this created an unrealistic expectation that anyone could come to Canada. During emergency meetings in Parliament this summer on the issue, Rempel said she doesn’t think that’s sustainable, and added that she thought the “situation is going to get worse.”
    Those feelings have been echoed by leaders in the province of Ontario, who have called on the Trudeau government to do come up with a plan on how to deal with asylum-seekers, who continue to cross into the country in significant numbers. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police intercepted 7,326 people at the border between April and July.


    Nowhere has this tension over migration been felt more keenly than Québec, the only Canadian province that has partial control over who immigrates there, and the province of arrival for an estimated 96% of irregular border crossers (the Canadian government actively discourages the use of the term “illegal” to describe asylum-seekers that have entered the country by straying across the border). Many in the predominantly French-speaking province consider immigration to be a process that dilutes Québec’s unique linguistic and cultural identity in North America.
    The province is facing an election on October 1st in which immigration is already proving to be a hot-button issue. The governing Liberal Party led by Premier Philippe Couillard has worked closely with the federal government to accommodate asylum seekers, allowing most of those who want to remain in the province to stay while helping those who do not get settled in Toronto and other locales that can accommodate them.
    However, even the Liberal government in the province declared earlier this summer that they, along with the province of Ontario, have “run out of room”.


    The party is trailing in opinion polls to a nationalist opposition party known as the Coalition Avenir Québec (CAQ), which has promised to slash even legal immigration by as much as 20%, and to force all new immigrants to learn French. Currently, most immigrants are given the option of learning either English or French. In an interview with the Montréal Gazette earlier this year, the party’s immigration spokeswoman Nathalie Roy accused the Liberal government of trying to “hide the problem [of immigration] under the carpet.”
    In response, Premier Couillard accused the CAQ of considering immigrants to be “problems that need solving.”

    Legault’s party has been far from the only one proposing tough solutions to immigration problems in Québec. In a move that may sound familiar to Americans, another opposition party, the Parti Québécois (PQ) proposed earlier this year to construct a fence along stretches of the province’s border with New York that have seen large numbers of asylum seekers enter the country. The PQ’s leader, Jean-François Lisée, has since walked back those comments somewhat but the idea sparked a conversation about what can be done to discourage refugees from making the journey.

    More at: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/08...elections.html
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    The article says, "Illegal border crossers are eligible to obtain work permits."

    But how easy is that to do? I've heard it's pretty difficult.

    Whoever wrote that article seems to think that these people pose some kind of problem for Canada. But if they would just let them all work there, they would end up being an economic boon instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Some estimate that as many as 400 a day are crossing the 5,525 mile border between Canada and the U.S. through non-official ports of entry
    That's supposed to be a lot?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    The article says, "Illegal border crossers are eligible to obtain work permits."

    But how easy is that to do? I've heard it's pretty difficult.

    Whoever wrote that article seems to think that these people pose some kind of problem for Canada. But if they would just let them all work there, they would end up being an economic boon instead.
    For the trans national elite corporations maybe, they would undercut legal workers and cost the government tons of money for welfare and crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    That's supposed to be a lot?
    Canada has a much smaller population than the US and those numbers are probably overly conservative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Canada has a much smaller population than the US and those numbers are probably overly conservative.
    The way the article put that sentence implied not that the numbers were conservative, but that they were on the high end.

    Canada being so underpopulated doesn't support the claim that these added human resources are a burden to that vast unused land, it undercuts it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    For the trans national elite corporations maybe, they would undercut legal workers and cost the government tons of money for welfare and crime.
    trans-national elite corporations = the good guys
    government = the bad guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    The way the article put that sentence implied not that the numbers were conservative, but that they were on the high end.

    Canada being so underpopulated doesn't support the claim that these added human resources are a burden to that vast unused land, it undercuts it.
    Slant much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Slant much?
    That's usually the "key" phrase: "human resources".

    To the "One Worlders" that's all we are: cattle, resources to used and maximized to benefit them.

    A shifting, moiling, faceless, colorless, indistinguishable mob, to be nudged, culled and used.

    Their propaganda pushes this concept, hard.

    None of us are individuals or groups with desires, needs, wants, histories and cultures vastly different from one another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    The way the article put that sentence implied not that the numbers were conservative, but that they were on the high end.
    They always want you to think that but it is almost always conservative.

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Canada being so underpopulated doesn't support the claim that these added human resources are a burden to that vast unused land, it undercuts it.
    It supports the claim that they don't have as much capacity to absorb so many foreigners without negative economic and cultural consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    government = the bad guys
    Not in this case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    trans-national elite corporations = the good guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    The article says, "Illegal border crossers are eligible to obtain work permits."

    But how easy is that to do? I've heard it's pretty difficult.

    Whoever wrote that article seems to think that these people pose some kind of problem for Canada. But if they would just let them all work there, they would end up being an economic boon instead.
    Apt observation!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    That's usually the "key" phrase: "human resources".

    To the "One Worlders" that's all we are: cattle, resources to used and maximized to benefit them.

    A shifting, moiling, faceless, colorless, indistinguishable mob, to be nudged, culled and used.

    Their propaganda pushes this concept, hard.

    None of us are individuals or groups with desires, needs, wants, histories and cultures vastly different from one another.
    Making it easier for law biding & highly moral people to find work is not a bad idea.
    Wheat from chaff. The 'illegals' who are criminally inclined or worse are the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    Making it easier for law biding & highly moral people to find work is not a bad idea.
    Wheat from chaff. The 'illegals' who are criminally inclined or worse are the problem.
    You can't ignore the cultural/political aspects of the problem, Marx was wrong, life is more than just economics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You can't ignore the cultural/political aspects of the problem, Marx was wrong, life is more than just economics.
    I agree. Biologically, you go back 100,ooo years and we all as a species
    have almost the exact same ancestors, but over the last 10,ooo years
    some neighborhoods became more "snob zoned" than others. Or remote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    I agree. Biologically, you go back 100,ooo years and we all as a species
    have almost the exact same ancestors, but over the last 10,ooo years
    some neighborhoods became more "snob zoned" than others. Or remote.
    And some became more "slum zoned" than others. Or criminal/tyrannical/feral.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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