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    Rising seas: 'Florida is about to be wiped off the map'

    Hopefully right forum as this seems like Science related.
    For any experts here, following view is realistic or fear-mongering?


    Rising seas: 'Florida is about to be wiped off the map'

    Sea level rises are not some distant threat; for many Americans they are very real. In an extract from her chilling new book, Rising, Elizabeth Rush details how the US coastline will be radically transformed in the coming years


    Elizabeth Rush
    Last modified on Mon 2 Jul 2018 06.13 EDT

    ‘Take the six million people who live in south Florida today and divide them into two groups: those who live less than six and a half feet above the current high tide line, and everybody else.’ Photograph: Milkweed Editions In 1890, just over six thousand people lived in the damp lowlands of south Florida. Since then the wetlands that covered half the state have been largely drained, strip malls have replaced Seminole camps, and the population has increased a thousandfold. Over roughly the same amount of time the number of black college degree holders in the United States also increased a thousandfold, as did the speed at which we fly, the combined carbon emissions of the Middle East, and the entire population of Thailand.
    About 60 of the region’s more than 6 million residents have gathered in the Cox Science Building at the University of Miami on a sunny Saturday morning in 2016 to hear Harold Wanless, or Hal, chair of the geology department, speak about sea level rise. “Only 7% of the heat being trapped by greenhouse gases is stored in the atmosphere,” Hal begins. “Do you know where the other 93% lives?”

    “In the ocean,” Hal continues. “That heat is expanding the ocean, which is contributing to sea level rise, and it is also, more importantly, creating the setting for something we really don’t want to have happen: rapid melt of ice.”

    A real estate developer interrupts Hal to ask: “Is someone recording this?”
    “Yes.” The cameraman coughs. “Besides,” Hal adds, “I say the same damn thing at least five times a week.” Hal, who is in his early seventies and has been studying sea level rise for over 40 years, pulls at his Burt Reynolds moustache, readjusts his taupe corduroy suit, and continues. On the screen above his head clips from a documentary on climate change show glacial tongues of ice the size of Manhattan tumbling into the sea. “The big story in Greenland and Antarctica is that the warming ocean is working its way in, deep under the ice sheets, causing the ice to collapse faster than anyone predicted, which in turn will cause sea levels to rise faster than anyone predicted.”

    ‘Dig into geologic history and you discover this: when sea levels have risen in the past, they have usually not done so gradually, but rather in rapid surges.’ Photograph: Milkweed Editions According to Marco Rubio, the junior senator from Florida, rising sea levels are uncertain, their connection to human activity tenuous. And yet the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change expects roughly two feet of rise by century’s end. The United Nations predicts three feet. And the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration estimates an upper limit of six and a half feet.

    But Hal says it doesn’t matter whether you live six feet above sea level or sixty-five, because he, like James Hansen, believes that all of these predictions are, to put it mildly, very, very low. “The rate of sea level rise is currently doubling every seven years, and if it were to continue in this manner, Ponzi scheme style, we would have 205 feet of sea level rise by 2095,” he says. “And while I don’t think we are going to get that much water by the end of the century, I do think we have to take seriously the possibility that we could have something like 15 feet by then.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...elizabeth-rush



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    Scaremongering.

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    Not quite. During the last ice age, the Georges Banks area was an island.
    If half of Florida is between two to twenty feet under water, it's a swamp.

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    This is nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    This is nonsense.
    OP or Aratus?

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    In the last 100 years, it is estimated that the sea levels have risen 4-8". That is the "official" estimate. In the next 100 years, I don't expect it to rise any more than another 5-10". That is less than a foot, possibly less than a foot in 200 years on the low side.

    All this sea level is going to rise 5 feet or more in the next 50 years kinda stuff doesn't make any sense.. I suppose it could happen, but there is no historical indication that it will.
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    Seems like a good problem to solve.

    There are many places in the world that have little to no water. A good start would be stop all fresh water from flowing into the ocean and use that water to resolve drought.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Rush View Post

    In 1890, just over six thousand people lived in the damp lowlands of south Florida. Since then the wetlands that covered half the state have been largely drained, strip malls have replaced Seminole camps, and the population has increased a thousandfold. Over roughly the same amount of time the number of black college degree holders in the United States also increased a thousandfold, as did the speed at which we fly, the combined carbon emissions of the Middle East, and the entire population of Thailand.
    Um, is she blaming rising seas on black college degree holders?!

    Seems about as tenuous a link as anything else she puts forth.
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    You have the right to remain silent. Anything you post to the internet can and will be used to humiliate you.

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    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Maybe I need to loosen my tin foil hat.. somebody somewhere has some potential Georgia "beach front" property for sale...
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