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    Gender dysphoria is a mental illness.

    At the end of the day, that is not a woman, regardless of how many surgeries have been performed or how many Franken-hormones have been consumed.






    Trans Woman Makes History, Will Compete for Spain in Miss Universe

    https://www.advocate.com/people/2018...-miss-universe

    Angela Ponce won the Miss Universe crown for Spain and now becomes the first trans woman to compete internationally.

    BY LUCAS GRINDLEY
    JULY 02 2018 2:34 PM EDT
    For the first time ever, a transgender woman will compete for her country in the Miss Universe pageant, with Angela Ponce having been crowned as Spain’s representative.

    Angela Ponce this weekend won the Spanish crown and now becomes the first transgender woman to compete on behalf of any country. Ponce is able to do that thanks to trailblazer Jenna Talackova of Canada. Back when Donald Trump still owned the pageant in 2012, Talackova had been barred from competing to win the Canadian crown, until Trump sided with GLAAD and thousands of people who petitioned him in the fight over inclusion.

    Talackova — who also had high-profile attorney Gloria Allred on her side — was allowed to compete and went on to win Miss Congeniality in Canada; then all trans women were allowed to compete in Miss Universe starting in 2013.

    “Let’s make history,” Ponce wrote in English on Twitter in celebration, tagging Pride Month to note her win’s timing at the end of June.

    “Bringing the name and colors of Spain before the universe is my great dream,” wrote Ponce in Spanish on Instagram. “My goal is to be a spokesperson for a message of inclusion, respect and diversity not only for the LGBTQ+ community, but also for the entire world.”

    See photos from Ponce’s Instagram account below.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Gender dysphoria is a mental illness.

    At the end of the day, that is not a woman, regardless of how many surgeries have been performed or how many Franken-hormones have been consumed.






    Trans Woman Makes History, Will Compete for Spain in Miss Universe

    https://www.advocate.com/people/2018...-miss-universe

    Angela Ponce won the Miss Universe crown for Spain and now becomes the first trans woman to compete internationally.

    BY LUCAS GRINDLEY
    JULY 02 2018 2:34 PM EDT
    For the first time ever, a transgender woman will compete for her country in the Miss Universe pageant, with Angela Ponce having been crowned as Spain’s representative.

    Angela Ponce this weekend won the Spanish crown and now becomes the first transgender woman to compete on behalf of any country. Ponce is able to do that thanks to trailblazer Jenna Talackova of Canada. Back when Donald Trump still owned the pageant in 2012, Talackova had been barred from competing to win the Canadian crown, until Trump sided with GLAAD and thousands of people who petitioned him in the fight over inclusion.

    Talackova — who also had high-profile attorney Gloria Allred on her side — was allowed to compete and went on to win Miss Congeniality in Canada; then all trans women were allowed to compete in Miss Universe starting in 2013.

    “Let’s make history,” Ponce wrote in English on Twitter in celebration, tagging Pride Month to note her win’s timing at the end of June.

    “Bringing the name and colors of Spain before the universe is my great dream,” wrote Ponce in Spanish on Instagram. “My goal is to be a spokesperson for a message of inclusion, respect and diversity not only for the LGBTQ+ community, but also for the entire world.”

    See photos from Ponce’s Instagram account below.

    With this and:

    “Miss America” Says They’re No Longer a Beauty Pageant, Eliminates the Swimsuit Segment

    "We will no longer judge our candidates on their outward physical appearance."



    I'd say HB may someday be able to realize its dream.
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    Good god....

    Saw a report on Tucker Carlson about two transgenders winning highschool 'womens' track and field. Naturally the highschool (actual) girls were pissed, but hey.... this is the new standard, right?!
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    It will win and then miss Universe will officially be dead.
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    SO TIRED OF THIS SH IT ALREADY...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    “Miss America” Says They’re No Longer a Beauty Pageant, Eliminates the Swimsuit Segment
    Eliminate the swimsuit competition (?) . . .
    Mom had already warned me to not judge a book by its cover, and that you better check under the hood . . .


    https://www.advocate.com/people/2018...-miss-universe


    Last edited by Jan2017; 07-03-2018 at 01:35 PM.



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    Someone needs to tell that tranny that you can't change your chromosomes.
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    Of course it begs the question:. What is AF doing reading the Advocate?
    ...

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    After winning Spain’s national beauty contest last month, Ms. Ponce will become the first transgender woman to compete in the Miss Universe pageant. But she is also on a mission to challenge traditional concepts of gender and beauty, as well as to break down what she sees as unacceptable barriers in the fashion industry.

    “Having a vagina doesn’t make a woman,” she said in an interview. “Even if many people don’t want to see me as a woman, I clearly belong among them.”

    Ms. Ponce, 27, grew up in Pilas, a town in southern Spain where her father owned a bar that is now managed by her elder brother. Pilas was a conservative place, she says, where “there was nobody like me.” That extended to her school, which also set her apart, placing her in a group of children needing special care, alongside some who were dealing with family breakups or who belonged to the minority Roma community.

    ...

    When she was about 16, Ms. Ponce decided to undergo hormonal treatment and eventually vaginal plastic surgery, “to remove what for me was a burden and a trauma.” But she said that her message to the teenagers whom she now meets is always that vaginal surgery is a personal choice, and that it is not essential to being a woman.

    “There are women with a penis and men with a vagina, because the only key part of being a woman is to be and feel like a woman,” she said.

    Her recent success as a beauty queen has brought her admirers, but also plenty of attacks — mostly from other women, she said.

    “What strikes me is that a lot of the criticism has come from women and people from my own collective, just when women are taking to the streets to ask for recognition,” she said. “I find it weird that some women don’t tolerate that I go to a competition to represent my country as the woman that I am.”

    She added: “If we want progress, we just have to stop looking whether what other women are doing is good or not.”

    ...


    Under a previous Socialist administration, Spain also became in 2004 one of the first nations to legalize same-sex marriage. “Compared to other countries, I’m lucky to have been born here,” Ms. Ponce said.

    ...

    In fact, she said that much of the recent social media criticism against her came from women overseas, who believe that she will have an unfair advantage over other national beauty queens when she participates in the Miss Universe pageant later this year. Apart from her genital surgery, Ms. Ponce said the only other procedure she has undergone was plastic surgery to enlarge her breasts, following her hormonal treatment.

    “When I hear that all the girls won’t be competing in equal conditions, I say that’s right, but only because I’ve actually had to make double the amount of efforts to get there, because I wasn’t gifted everything by nature,” she said. “My face has always been my face, whether you like it or not, and the same for my waist.”

    “Women own their bodies, and many of them have had plastic surgery, so how is reshaping your nose or your cheek bones to make you feel better any different to getting a vagina or breast enlargement?” (Rhinoplasty is a far cry from getting a fancy new vagina, lol)

    Ms. Ponce also lamented what she described as the hypocrisy of some big clothing brands that refused her as a model once they found out that she was transgender. “There are brands that are happy for you to buy and wear their clothing but not to have you on their catwalk,” she said. “It’s strange coming from a world of fashion that claims to be setting trends.”

    ...
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/13/w...orld&smtyp=cur
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    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    “There are women with a penis and men with a vagina, because the only key part of being a woman is to be and feel like a woman,” she said.
    In the past this would get you "Hm, interesting" from a polite listener.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    In the past this would get you "Hm, interesting" from a polite listener.
    If I went on a date with some dude and found out he didn't have a penis, I'd be so pissed. I'm not into BYOD.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    If I went on a date with some dude and found out he didn't have a penis, I'd be so pissed. I'm not into BYOD.
    A clear case of misrepresentation of a merchandise. Now imagine if he didn't have a brain and was instead a computer simulation like Zippy. Would that make you upset?

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    A clear case of misrepresentation of a merchandise. Now imagine if he didn't have a brain and was instead a computer simulation like Zippy. Would that make you upset?
    Do vibrators count?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Do vibrators count?
    If you say so.



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    Is there a way to find a middle ground on this issue? Could they hold a TG exclusive pageant of their own?

    I don't think this stuff is new, but it's out of the Closet I suppose and such people are trying to find their place in society as themselves. Well, fine. Let them do their thing as themselves competing with each other as colleagues with similar backgrounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Do vibrators count?



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    Quote Originally Posted by VIDEODROME View Post
    A couple of AA's is enough for me, thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIDEODROME View Post
    Is there a way to find a middle ground on this issue? Could they hold a TG exclusive pageant of their own?

    I don't think this stuff is new, but it's out of the Closet I suppose and such people are trying to find their place in society as themselves. Well, fine. Let them do their thing as themselves competing with each other as colleagues with similar backgrounds.
    Nope, you have to pretend there is no difference. Can't you just pretend like everybody else? Is preference falsification too hard for you? http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ates-Are-Lying

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    A couple of AA's is enough for me, thanks.
    You should try rechargeables for the compact size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    You should try rechargeables for the compact size.
    No way. I don't want to have to keep those things charged.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIDEODROME View Post
    Is there a way to find a middle ground on this issue? Could they hold a TG exclusive pageant of their own?

    I don't think this stuff is new, but it's out of the Closet I suppose and such people are trying to find their place in society as themselves. Well, fine. Let them do their thing as themselves competing with each other as colleagues with similar backgrounds.
    Why would you want to?

    Middle ground has brought us all here in the first place.

    Inclusiveness and diversity are private matters not public, the moment government got involved things went to $#@!.

    Repeal their laws, strip their powers of 'enforcement' and the propaganda will cease and people will figure it out on their own..

    Some 'groups' may not be accepted by the majority and really that's okay, far better than this alternative we're all forced to endure now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIDEODROME View Post
    Is there a way to find a middle ground on this issue? Could they hold a TG exclusive pageant of their own?

    I don't think this stuff is new, but it's out of the Closet I suppose and such people are trying to find their place in society as themselves. Well, fine. Let them do their thing as themselves competing with each other as colleagues with similar backgrounds.
    They HAVE them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Of course it begs the question:. What is AF doing reading the Advocate?
    @Danke leaves copies on the back of the toilet when he comes and visits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIDEODROME View Post
    Is there a way to find a middle ground on this issue? Could they hold a TG exclusive pageant of their own?

    I don't think this stuff is new, but it's out of the Closet I suppose and such people are trying to find their place in society as themselves. Well, fine. Let them do their thing as themselves competing with each other as colleagues with similar backgrounds.
    I tried.

    "They" (this includes not only the weirdosexuals but all the other assorted rainbow warriors of every stripe) have made it clear that tolerance is not enough, acceptance of their vices and perversions and hatred and grudges is not enough, embracing their ideals is not enough, no, I must accept being displaced and eradicated by their brave new world.

    $#@! them.

    Go back into whatever $#@!ing closet you came out of...I am not going to tolerate a future where I am forced to embrace the notion of a man in assless chaps fellating a dildo down a public street is something to be "proud" of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    @Danke leaves copies on the back of the toilet when he comes and visits.

    What we have learned from this post, AF reads The Advocate in his bathroom (hiding from donnay?), and lies to others about his habit as I have never been to New Hampshire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I tried.

    "They" (this includes not only the weirdosexuals but all the other assorted rainbow warriors of every stripe) have made it clear that tolerance is not enough, acceptance of their vices and perversions and hatred and grudges is not enough, embracing their ideals is not enough, no, I must accept being displaced and eradicated by their brave new world.

    $#@! them.

    Go back into whatever $#@!ing closet you came out of...I am not going to tolerate a future where I am forced to embrace the notion of a man in assless chaps fellating a dildo down a public street is something to be "proud" of.
    I don't think shaming into the closet is a good idea. Where many of them wound up as a refuge was the theater playing with makeup and wigs. I think shaming into the closet made some of them more extreme or get the idea that Protests are a time for Street Performance Art.

    If there is a pageant exclusive to them they should use it. If they want to feel included the farthest it could go would be having their one pageant as part of a multi-pageant event.

    It seems to me this kind of thing has always been around and suppressed but finally found a united voice through media and the internet. It will never go away so there just needs to be a continuing dialogue on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Of course it begs the question:. What is AF doing reading the Advocate?

    He also reads Feminist Current.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6650139
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Of course it begs the question:. What is AF doing reading the Advocate?
    Well, it would explain this post in the RPF members photo thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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