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    Democratic Socialists Openly Calling For Communism

    The Democratic Socialists of America recently got a major boost when one of their endorsed candidates, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, beat out incumbent Democrat Rep. Joe Crowley in a primary last Tuesday for New York’s 14th Congressional District.
    This far-left political organization previously made headlines when leadership from their Iowa State campus chapter encouraged people to shoot president Trump and when leadership from their University of Georgia Chapter called for the execution of house GOP members. Now multiple DSA leaders are publicly endorsing communism, an ideology responsible or the oppression, incarceration, and murder of tens of millions of people.
    Here is the original tweet from Olivia Katbi Smith, who is the co-Chair of the Portland DSA chapter:
    As a DSA chapter co-chair I just wanna set the record straight for a minute: communism is good
    — Olivia Katbi Smith🌹أوليفيا كاتبي (@livkittykat) June 30, 2018
    Shortly after, other DSA leaders weighed in with their endorsement of communism.
    The Charlottesville DSA co-chair:
    as a dsa chapter co-chair, i would like to cosign this pro-communist statement. https://t.co/xFTDXJQJH6
    — molly 🌹 (@socialistdogmom) July 1, 2018
    The Hudson County DSA co-chair:
    As a DSA branch co-chair, I would like to sign onto this with a small amendment: Communism is very good. https://t.co/We1AUMZYTZ
    — Free Palestine/Abolish ICE (@ThatNJSocialist) July 2, 2018
    The Seattle DSA co-chair:
    As a DSA chapter co-chair as well, I extremely second this. https://t.co/cO1elllluD
    — Keaton ☭ 🌹 (@Keatronn) July 1, 2018
    An Officer for the Queens DSA chapter:
    As a previous branch co-chair, and a current elected rep of @QueensDSA's electoral working group, I second this statement#CommunismIsGoodActually#MultitendancyLeft https://t.co/ybj7rAzvBl
    — Justine Medina 🌹 (@jnmedina8989) July 1, 2018
    Since her win, legacy media has rolled out the red carpet for Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and for “democratic socialism”. She has done interview after interview and appears to be starting her “late night comedy” circuit but for some reason, her affiliation with an organization whose members have openly called for the murder of their political opposition and who are now endorsing a violent authoritarian ideology has not been brought into question. Why is that? Consider the alternative: a Republican winning a primary and being endorsed by an organization whose members advocated for the murder of Democrats and whose leadership said “Nazism is good.” How differently would that play out?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...sio-cortez-win
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    Nazis still not ok?

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    Good. Let's get this on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Good. Let's get this on.
    But I can not be offended!

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    This woman's district is nearly 50% Hispanic, and Mexico just elected a communist. Yet, there are still libertarians who are in favor of open borders. Really gets the old noggin joggin. Also, Ben Garrison keeps showing why he's the best cartoonist in the game.





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    The election of Ocazio-Cortez is a good thing for the following reasons:

    1. She supplanted a plutocratic incumbent. Too bad conservatives couldn't do the same for the likes of John McCain. Take notes, people.
    2. There's a lot of lefties on social media talking about how her election is proof that the Dems don't need to attempt to regain the white working class. The more they alienate that demographic, the more rightward it will shift.
    3. Ocasio-Cortez is well outside the mainstream of even the left of the Democrat party. The more the party shifts left, the more they alienate everyone who doesn't always agree with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    The election of Ocazio-Cortez is a good thing for the following reasons:

    1. She supplanted a plutocratic incumbent. Too bad conservatives couldn't do the same for the likes of John McCain. Take notes, people.
    2. There's a lot of lefties on social media talking about how her election is proof that the Dems don't need to attempt to regain the white working class. The more they alienate that demographic, the more rightward it will shift.
    3. Ocasio-Cortez is well outside the mainstream of even the elft of the Democrat party. The more the party shifts left, the more they alienate everyone who doesn't always agree with them.
    These people are so crazy now, Bernie Sanders is too right-wing for them.

    The Democratic Party is finished as a going concern at this point.

    If you want an alternative to a one-party Republican state, start building a new party now. And don't waste your time trying to fix the unfixable LP.



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    So, I often hear these idiots talk about the Nordic model when they envision "democratic socialism". What they don't get is that the only way countries like Denmark can have their brand of "socialism" is because of their adherence to the free market in other sectors.

    They have incredibly favorable free trade policies and very little protectionism. They have very few government regulations on business and a competitively low corporate tax rate. Their minimum wage is zero. They have a large union presence, but it is entirely voluntary. In other words, they allow the free market to generate their wealth and then use it to fund their socialist sectors in education and health care.

    Oh, and their defense and medical innovation is subsidized by other countries.

    I wonder if there's an opportunity in there to educate those Bernie followers. They claim the Nordic model, but they don't really advocate for it. They say, "democratic socialism" because it sounds better, but they really mean "socialism that seems to work".
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtomator View Post
    These people are so crazy now, Bernie Sanders is too right-wing for them.

    The Democratic Party is finished as a going concern at this point.

    If you want an alternative to a one-party Republican state, start building a new party now. And don't waste your time trying to fix the unfixable LP.
    The field has been ripe for a new party for a looooooong time now. I don't know why the Freedom Caucus, and a handful of Senators hasn't broken off in to a third party. Can you imagine if they did?? If they denied either side a majority, they would wield immense power to broker for principles of limited government... but alas... this experiment of self 'government' has failed so miserably, I wish to hasten its demise. I am glad things are breaking down.... only positive change, in the long term, can result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FvS View Post
    This woman's district is nearly 50% Hispanic, and Mexico just elected a communist. Yet, there are still libertarians who are in favor of open borders. Really gets the old noggin joggin.

    Also, Ben Garrison keeps showing why he's the best cartoonist in the game.
    Whoa . . . another heck of a cartoon from Ben Garrison - LOL

    On Meet the Press, Democratic House nominee Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez tells Chuck Todd that her brand of politics emphasizes access to
    housing, healthcare and education, during an exclusive interview with Meet the Press.

    [VIDEO]https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-pre...-1267955267646


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan2017 View Post
    Whoa . . . another heck of a cartoon from Ben Garrison - LOL

    On Meet the Press, Democratic House nominee Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez tells Chuck Todd that her brand of politics emphasizes access to
    housing, healthcare and education, during an exclusive interview with Meet the Press.

    [video]https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-pre...-1267955267646

    A perfect fit for your HR department.


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    Just a few short years ago the talk was how the Republican party was finished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FvS View Post
    Hispanic Americans cost Al Gore the election in 2000?

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    God Bless America in a few years after the full effect of all the brainwashed youth have all the power.

    Obama won because he was a smooth talking bamboozling black man. The majority if not all the black population voted for him along with many whites.

    This lady gets the nod because she is a young, pretty, latino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    God Bless America in a few years after the full effect of all the brainwashed youth have all the power.

    Obama won because he was a smooth talking bamboozling black man. The majority if not all the black population voted for him along with many whites.

    This lady gets the nod because she is a young, pretty, latino.
    Generation Z is rebelling though. They aren't as brainwashed and dependent as the millennials are.



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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Generation Z is rebelling though. They aren't as brainwashed and dependent as the millennials are.
    Wait till they spend enough time on LinkedIn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    This lady gets the nod because she is a young, pretty, latino.
    It is early . . . she had over 13,000 votes to the traditional Democrat's over 9,000 in the Democrat primary.
    The vultures of Washington DC might eat her alive, if she makes it there.
    The Republican who she now faces in November is George Pappas who was in the GOP primary unopposed.



    She seems kinda nauseating . . .

    Last edited by Jan2017; 07-03-2018 at 10:05 AM.

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    Last edited by Jan2017; 07-18-2018 at 11:14 AM.

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    I suggest she won because she's attractive, well-spoken, earnest and shook hands with everyone in her district.

    It's got nothing to do with her "Democratic Socialism".

    Crowley hasn't lived in his district for 20 years.

    I know nothing about her republican opponent (George Pappas) but I predict she will suffer a rousing defeat if he is a Trump supporter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    I suggest she won because she's attractive, well-spoken, earnest and shook hands with everyone in her district.

    It's got nothing to do with her "Democratic Socialism".

    Crowley hasn't lived in his district for 20 years.

    I know nothing about her republican opponent (George Pappas) but I predict she will suffer a rousing defeat if he is a Trump supporter.
    Sarah Palin on steroids?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    So, I often hear these idiots talk about the Nordic model when they envision "democratic socialism". What they don't get is that the only way countries like Denmark can have their brand of "socialism" is because of their adherence to the free market in other sectors.

    They have incredibly favorable free trade policies and very little protectionism. They have very few government regulations on business and a competitively low corporate tax rate. Their minimum wage is zero. They have a large union presence, but it is entirely voluntary. In other words, they allow the free market to generate their wealth and then use it to fund their socialist sectors in education and health care.

    Oh, and their defense and medical innovation is subsidized by other countries.

    I wonder if there's an opportunity in there to educate those Bernie followers. They claim the Nordic model, but they don't really advocate for it. They say, "democratic socialism" because it sounds better, but they really mean "socialism that seems to work".

    I'm not sure there is a proper ideology term from what people the Left such as Bernie are seeking. He probably used Democratic Socialism as the closest thing to what he thinks can work, but possibly is the lite version as his campaign didn't really describe Nationalizing all private production into the government. I think even some Nordic countries where perplexed and indignant over people like Sanders.

    I don't think even Bernie wants to actually nationalize health care providers either, but provide a central Single Payer to fund it and give every citizen Health cards for care which I think the Nordic model does include.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

    Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production[1] with an emphasis on self-management and/or democratic management of economic institutions within a market socialist, participatory or decentralized planned economy.[2] Democratic socialists hold that capitalism is inherently incompatible with what they hold to be the democratic values of liberty, equality and solidarity; and that these ideals can only be achieved through the realization of a socialist society. Democratic socialism can be supportive of either revolutionary or reformist politics as a means to establish socialism.[3]

    The term "democratic socialism" is sometimes used synonymously with "socialism", but the adjective "democratic" is sometimes used to distinguish democratic socialists from Marxist–Leninist-inspired socialism which is viewed as being non-democratic in practice.[4][5] Democratic socialists oppose the Stalinist political system and Soviet economic model, rejecting the authoritarian form of governance and highly centralized command economy that took form in the Soviet Union in the early 20th century.[6]

    http://time.com/4121126/bernie-sande...tic-socialism/


    “When I use the world socialist–and I know some people aren’t comfortable about it—I’m saying that it is imperative,” Sanders said, that we “create a government that works for all and not just the few.”

    Democratic socialism, Sanders said, is not tied to any Marxist belief or the abolition of capitalism. “I don’t believe government should own the means of production, but I do believe that the middle class and the working families who produce the wealth of America deserve a fair deal,” he said.

    Sanders use of the term “democratic socialist” has been both a weakness and a strength. He refused in the first Democratic debate in Las Vegas to call himself a capitalist, calling it a “casino” system, but has insisted he would not overturn the free market.

    “By the way, almost everything (Roosevelt) proposed was called ‘socialist,'” Sanders said, listing Social Security, the minimum wage, unemployment insurance, job programs, collective bargaining and the 40-hour work week as examples of accomplishments that “economic royalists” called “socialistic.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Hispanic Americans cost Al Gore the election in 2000?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Based on what? Dildo sales?

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Based on what? Dildo sales?
    Thank you for your informative contribution to the discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Thank you for your informative contribution to the discussion.
    I have no sense of humor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtomator View Post
    The Democratic Party is finished as a going concern at this point.
    I disagree. The game will completely change when the economy collapses and it gets blamed on "capitalism".

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    Socialist Ocasio-Cortez Had Very Different Views When She Ran A Business

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/32696...-ryan-saavedra

    July 6, 2018




    Newly unearthed reports from socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's past show that the progressive political candidate had very different views on taxes when she used to run a business.

    Ocasio-Cortez, who is a member of the Democratic Socialists of America, has campaigned on expanding big government welfare programs through raising taxes on businesses and wealthy Americans.

    Now that she is in the political spotlight, many of Ocasio-Cortez's previous views are coming to light, particularly those surrounding raising taxes, since much of her platform revolves around taking more of people's hard-earned money and giving it to those who did not earn it. The Daily Caller News Foundation reports:

    But Ocasio-Cortez appeared to have a different outlook on capitalism and taxes in 2012 when she was running a business of her own, Brook Avenue Press, an incorporated publishing firm for children’s books set in the Bronx. As a business owner, she came out in support of a bill that would provide tax deductions for business start-up costs, arguing that taxes directly impacted her business profits.

    Ocasio-Cortez complained about the burden that taxes put on her business in a 2012 news article, saying, "You don’t really make a profit in your first year," later adding that getting taxed was "a real whammy."

    Ocasio-Cortez also used to tweet out articles and quotes from entrepreneur and venture capitalist Paul Graham:





    The DCNF also notes that Ocasio-Cortez was a member of a business organization that attracted numerous entrepreneurs and gave talks on entrepreneurship at Boston University where she praised free market enterprise.

    Now, with a $174,000 salary in her sights, Ocasio-Cortez is championing views that conflict with that entrepreneurial spirit she formerly promoted mainly centered around the government providing for its citizens.


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