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    Trump Toying with the Unthinkable

    I'll move his grade from a C+ to an A-, if he pulls this off.



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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    I'll move his grade from a C+ to an A-, if he pulls this off.

    BRING THEM HOME!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    BRING THEM HOME!
    A move of this significance would indicate two things:

    (1) Putin is our ally (as in the regular Americans) and poses no threat to Europe
    (2) The military is taking China more seriously

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    A move of this significance would indicate two things:

    (1) Putin is our ally (as in the regular Americans) and poses no threat to Europe
    (2) The military is taking China more seriously
    You forgot some:

    (3) Europe is our enemy
    (4) Keeping troops in Europe is too expensive
    (5) Trump doesn't care about maintaining the empire (our bases in Germany are logistically important to our global overreach)
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    Whether he means it or not, I must hand it to Trump. Nothing is off the table. No other president has had the balls to even hint at it. I bet the "progressives" will lose their minds over this as they do with everything.
    ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Whether he means it or not, I must hand it to Trump. Nothing is off the table. No other president has had the balls to even hint at it. I bet the "progressives" will lose their minds over this as they do with everything.
    This is why Trump keeps stirring the media pot on so many fringe issues. I keep telling you all this. And time after time he serves up something totally different and often in agreement with liberty principles. It just goes to show you how true principles are not some kind of political construct. They work because they are true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You forgot some:

    (3) Europe is our enemy
    (4) Keeping troops in Europe is too expensive
    (5) Trump doesn't care about maintaining the empire (our bases in Germany are logistically important to our global overreach)
    I take 3.

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    I feel a trembling in the force (aka the MAGA)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    I feel a trembling in the force (aka the MAGA)

    Arise my pants, gloriously.
    Are you OK, comrade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Are you OK, comrade?
    I had to step away from the computer for a moment. I felt a swoon coming on at the thought of Trump's majestic balls withdrawing the troops from Europe (starting with Germany).
    1. Don't lie.
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    What if all our troops are deployed by the deep state?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    I feel a trembling in the force (aka the MAGA)


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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    This is why Trump keeps stirring the media pot on so many fringe issues. I keep telling you all this. And time after time he serves up something totally different and often in agreement with liberty principles. It just goes to show you how true principles are not some kind of political construct. They work because they are true.
    Back in 2015/16 I actually argued on this forum that I thought Bernie Sanders was the lesser of evils between him and Trump. I argued that at least he was an honest socialist and we'd have an honest discussion for a change. I was really hoping for a Rand vs Sanders debate. That would have really discussed the role of government.

    But our country doesn't seem to want that.

    However we got stuck with Trump. I didn't trust him at all. I still would rather have Ron or Rand, but Trump is really the best we can hope for at this moment. That's not really a complement towards Trump but a lamentation towards the mentality of the nation. I have been pleasantly surprised on somethings he has done, and sorely disappointed on other things, but all in all, (I never thought I would say this after Rand was out of the running) we lucked out in 2016.
    ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Back in 2015/16 I actually argued on this forum that I thought Bernie Sanders was the lesser of evils between him and Trump. I argued that at least he was an honest socialist and we'd have an honest discussion for a change. I was really hoping for a Rand vs Sanders debate. That would have really discussed the role of government.

    But our country doesn't seem to want that.

    However we got stuck with Trump. I didn't trust him at all. I still would rather have Ron or Rand, but Trump is really the best we can hope for at this moment. That's not really a complement towards Trump but a lamentation towards the mentality of the nation. I have been pleasantly surprised on somethings he has done, and sorely disappointed on other things, but all in all, (I never thought I would say this after Rand was out of the running) we lucked out in 2016.
    Trump was not the lesser of two evils as I too thought, he was the least of all possible goods.
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    The key European enemy of the US is not Russia, but Germany.

    If you look at the Europe-Russia history, from Russia's side it is almost exclusively "being invaded from the West" and not "invading Europe from the east".

    Napoleon and Hitler both choosing to invade Russia, and both being defeated as a direct result of that choice, are could well be the two most significant events other than the founding of the Rome in the continent's history.

    Russia was even invaded by the US, most people don't know this. We occupied Archangelsk for a short time at the end of WW1.

    Germany, meanwhile, seems to think it has a divine right to rule the continent and repeatedly attempts to do so, the EU being only the latest incarnation of their imperial dreams.

    So realpolitik-wise, Russia doesn't require containment. They already have far more territory than they can reasonably populate. It's Germany which is the engine of destruction in modern Europe, time and time again, as is once again evident in the present day German-led EU treatment of southern and central European nations.

    Moreover, Russia maintains its Western heritage while the West is actively trying to destroy it. So for restorers of Western culture, and really anyone who understands the role Russia has played in European history, Russia is a natural ally.

    The rise of China is the story of this century and we would be wise, and the Russians would be wise, to make common cause to not end up subject to Chinese power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump was not the lesser of two evils as I too thought, he was the least of all possible goods.
    This country would truly suck under Clinton's regime as the recent events have shown. Even Zippy wouldn't be happy.
    Last edited by timosman; 06-29-2018 at 09:03 PM. Reason: Zippy



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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This country would truly suck under Clinton's regime as the recent events have shown. Even Zippy wouldn't be happy.
    Clinton would have ushered forth an honest to god Civil War. We saw what they did in Waco. One of those incidents would have lit up the countryside because people hate their guts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtomator View Post
    The key European enemy of the US is not Russia, but Germany.

    If you look at the Europe-Russia history, from Russia's side it is almost exclusively "being invaded from the West" and not "invading Europe from the east".

    Napoleon and Hitler both choosing to invade Russia, and both being defeated as a direct result of that choice, are could well be the two most significant events other than the founding of the Rome in the continent's history.

    Russia was even invaded by the US, most people don't know this. We occupied Archangelsk for a short time at the end of WW1.

    Germany, meanwhile, seems to think it has a divine right to rule the continent and repeatedly attempts to do so, the EU being only the latest incarnation of their imperial dreams.

    So realpolitik-wise, Russia doesn't require containment. They already have far more territory than they can reasonably populate. It's Germany which is the engine of destruction in modern Europe, time and time again, as is once again evident in the present day German-led EU treatment of southern and central European nations.

    Moreover, Russia maintains its Western heritage while the West is actively trying to destroy it. So for restorers of Western culture, and really anyone who understands the role Russia has played in European history, Russia is a natural ally.

    The rise of China is the story of this century and we would be wise, and the Russians would be wise, to make common cause to not end up subject to Chinese power.
    Don't forget Perfidious Albion, they may well be a greater threat than Germany with their machinations, if not then they certainly are enemy #2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    (3) Europe is our enemy
    ...
    The only ally that sent large number of troops to stand with America on frontlines during Iraqi Freedom war in our hour need was European.
    We didn't see even a single Saudi soldier standing with American troops on Iraqi front lines despite media's nonstop churn of calling them our closest ally. Trump called his visit to Saudi second most important day of his life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    The only ally that sent large number of troops to stand with America on frontlines during Iraqi Freedom war in our hour need was European.
    We didn't see even a single Saudi soldier standing with American troops on Iraqi front lines despite media's nonstop churn of calling them our closest ally. Trump called his visit to Saudi second most important day of his life.
    That doesn't mean they aren't our enemy, the relationship is complicated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Don't forget Perfidious Albion, they may well be a greater threat than Germany with their machinations, if not then they certainly are enemy #2.
    Perfidious they are but quite weak on their own. They will be a 15 minute problem if it comes to that.

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    Who to be friends with? German Hillary or Putin? Such difficult choices.
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    When Trump was "toying" with the idea of withdrawing troops out of Syria and starting a drawing down of our presence in that area, there was almost without hesitation a chemical attack, lots of pictures of children and wounded civilians, and the MSM and the pentagon quickly stated it was none other than an attack carried out by the Syrian army forces under the guidance of Assad.

    Does that mean, that we will get some kind of attack by Russia coming soon to an innocent European city near you, to demonstrate the desperate need for our constant presence in that country? I was waiting for North Korea to suddenly declare war on the United States a few days before the summit, and that didn't happen, so maybe we will get lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Champuckett View Post
    When Trump was "toying" with the idea of withdrawing troops out of Syria and starting a drawing down of our presence in that area, there was almost without hesitation a chemical attack, lots of pictures of children and wounded civilians, and the MSM and the pentagon quickly stated it was none other than an attack carried out by the Syrian army forces under the guidance of Assad.

    Does that mean, that we will get some kind of attack by Russia coming soon to an innocent European city near you, to demonstrate the desperate need for our constant presence in that country? I was waiting for North Korea to suddenly declare war on the United States a few days before the summit, and that didn't happen, so maybe we will get lucky.
    Quite possible.

    Putin and his people are the ones that 'got away'. They will do all in their power to prevent an alliance from being cemented.




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    He ran on this platform. If he can pull it off without pissing off his base, I will give him props.

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    Some of the USA troop deployments at start of Trump administration in 2017 . . .

    "Let's do the numbers"

    39,345 Japan
    34,805 Germany
    23,468 Korean pennisula (South Korea)
    9,294 Afghanistan
    2,234 Turkey
    oh . . .
    59 Mexico

    Some highlights :
    About 200,000 USA troops worldwide in 177 countries.

    "There was no shortage of cuts proposed in Trump's budget for 2018, which was released earlier this week.
    However, one of the few departments that did not receive a haircut was the Department of Defense.
    If the proposed budget ultimately passes in Congress, the DoD would be allocated an extra $54 billion in federal funding - a 10% increase that would be one of the largest one-year defense budget increases in American History."

    Even before the $54 billion budget increase proposal for FY2018, the United States spends more on defense
    than the next seven nations combined.

    The increase in USA defense spending for FY2018 is equivalent to the entire UK defense budget.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/us-mi...country-2017-3
    Last edited by Jan2017; 06-30-2018 at 10:17 AM.

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    As long as he doesn't toy with conservatives emotions on things like global MIC/military expansion, path to DACA, gun control, big gummit spending, expansive police state/civil liberties etc, things should remain fine.

    That said, actions speak louder than words.

    Trump is sending more than 3,000 troops to Afghanistan

    Sep 19, 2017 - Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis announced on September 18 that the US will send more than 3,000 troops to Afghanistan in an effort to win ...

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    It'll be great if this happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Whether he means it or not, I must hand it to Trump. Nothing is off the table. No other president has had the balls to even hint at it. I bet the "progressives" will lose their minds over this as they do with everything.
    PDJT is so far inside the swamp's OODA loop they look like Edwin Abbott's Flatlander's trying to grasp a Mobius Strip.

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    If we withdraw our troops from Germany, won't they just start gassing Jews again?
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