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    Trump Facts

    Never let facts get in the way. Just from the past week:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/22/pres...m-reality.html

    Monday
    At 6 a.m., Trump sought to contrast his immigration policies with Germany's, tweeting crime "is way up" there. German government data show crime at a 25-year-low.

    Two hours later, in the wake of a Justice Department report criticizing former FBI director James Comey, Trump called special counsel Robert Mueller "Comey's best friend." No evidence suggests that is true.

    To make his economic stewardship sound more impressive, Trump said he has cut more regulation than the US president who served 16 years. No US president has served 16 years.

    "The whole world is looking up to the U.S.," he declared, making the country "respected again." Gallup reports that the worldwide image of U.S. leadership is weaker than at any point under presidents George W. Bush or Barack Obama.

    Tuesday

    Justifying his tariffs, Trump said the US suffers a trade deficit with Canada. U.S. government data shows the opposite.

    Citing a newspaper report, Trump said Canadians smuggle shoes from the U.S. to avoid import tariffs. Neither Canada nor the U.S. imposes tariffs on shoes made in the other country.

    Trump called himself the first president since Ronald Reagan to achieve a major tax cut. Bush did it twice.

    Trump claimed credit for adding 3.4-million jobs since Election Day 2016 – which "nobody would have believed" back then. Since 4.1 million jobs were created in the previous 19 months, the claim makes no sense.

    Wednesday
    Recounting a meeting with House Republicans, Trump tweeted that "they applauded and laughed loudly" when he demeaned Rep. Mark Sanford, a Trump critic who lost his seat in a primary. GOP lawmakers called the assertion untrue.

    Trump falsely said Obama admitted he lacked legal authority for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program even as he implemented. He falsely said wages for US workers had begun rising for the first time in 20 years; they rose during the latter years of Obama's term.

    At his packed rally in Duluth, Minnesota, Trump tweeted, at least 10,000 people were turned away. The mayor of Duluth said 2,000 people were turned away.

    Thursday

    After the Supreme Court allowed states to impose some new online sales taxes, Trump called it a "great victory for consumers." It was not; consumers will pay more.

    Justifying his assault on trade agreements, Trump asserted that "nobody ever looked at trade deals" over the previous 25-30 years. Administrations of both parties continually negotiated new trade terms during that time.

    Touting the document he and Kim Jong Un signed at their summit, Trump declared, "If people actually read it to the public, you'd see: number one statement, we will immediately begin total denuclearization of North Korea."

    The document includes no such commitment. It observes "mutual confidence building can promote the denuclearization of the Korean peninsula."

    Friday

    Throughout the week, Trump justified border policies separating immigrant children from their parents. Without his tough approach, the president said, millions of illegal immigrants would pour into the U.S. and unleash a crime wave.

    He invoked the horrors of MS-13 gang members, boasting his administration was deporting them "by the thousands." He closed the week alongside survivors of people killed by illegal immigrants.

    That painted a false picture. Illegal immigration across the southern border has been declining for more than a decade. Illegal immigrants, studies show, commit fewer crimes than native-born Americans. MS-13 has roughly 10,000 US members, and authorities told Politifact roughly 1,200 were arrested between Oct. 2016 and the end of 2017.

    The president's aides and critics have offered multiple explanations for his misstatements.

    He's new to politics, unconventional and sometimes ill-informed. He exaggerates for salesmanship and negotiation – as Trump himself has acknowledged. He is, as GOP Sen. Ted Cruz once charged, a "pathological liar."

    Tony Schwartz, who got to know Trump as co-author of their 1987 best-seller Art of the Deal, offers a different explanation. He says narcissism warps Trump's perception of reality about himself and others.

    "Every move he makes is a response to this distorted inner world he lives in," Schwartz told me. That condition, he warns, is "getting progressively worse."



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    Going to need to keep an eye out for those canadian shoe smugglers .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Never let facts get in the way. Just from the past week:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/22/pres...m-reality.html

    Monday
    At 6 a.m., Trump sought to contrast his immigration policies with Germany's, tweeting crime "is way up" there. German government data show crime at a 25-year-low.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...rump-was-right

    According to the 2017 crime statistics, more than 1,100 foreigners were charged with murder or manslaughter, as opposed to around 1,500 suspects holding German passports. The previous year's statistics showed a similar correlation: 1,137 foreigners were charged with homicide-related crime, compared to 1,638 German suspects. These are staggering numbers given the fact that Germany was home to roughly 10 million foreigners as opposed to 70 million German nationals.

    In an article meant as a rebuttal to President Trump's tweets, the German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung on June 19, 2018 admitted that the police crime report of 2017 showed a rise in homicide and sexual assault across the country. The Süddeutsche Zeitung, while correctly maintaining that the crime report showed an overall drop of 9.6%, disclosed that, "The number of homicides rose by 3.2%" and "the number of sexual assaults had risen as well."

    On June 8, 2018, German public broadcaster Südwestrundfunk (SWR) admitted that there was a "correlation between refugee influx and rising crime."

    Concerning violent crimes, the 2017 government crime report found that the police charged 69,163 foreigners for such crimes compared to 112,346 Germans. In 2016, the report showed a ratio of 67,869 non-German, compared to 110,494 for German suspects.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24
    Trump will win every single state primary by double digits.
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Must be that massive influx of foreigners.



    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...tch-statistics

    Germans’ Fears Don’t Match the Crime Statistics

    Lawlessness is declining, but that hasn’t brought a better sense of security.

    The German crime statistics for 2017 are out, and they show that the country hasn’t been this safe in more than two decades. And yet a large minority of Germans feel less secure than five years ago. This paradox has more to do with psychology than with statistics.

    Since the refugee crisis in 2015, the annual data have been hotly debated. The figures for 2017 were no exception, even though Interior Minister Horst Seehofer had good news: Not only did the total number of crimes slide almost 10 percent, to the lowest level since 1992, but violent crime declined by 2.4 percent. Petty crimes were also lower, with an 11.8 percent decline in theft.
    More at link.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-figures-show/

    Most of the crimes are committed by repeat offenders, and just 1 per cent of migrants account for 40 per cent of migrant crimes, according to the figures.
    And half "immigrant crime" is against immigrants. There were 1000 attacks against immigrant centers last year- and that is a decline from the year before.

    Violent far-Right crime rose by 14.3 per cent, but attacks on refugee shelters fell from a total of 1,031 in 2015 to 995 — the first drop recorded since data started being collected in 2014.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 06-24-2018 at 02:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Must be that massive influx of foreigners.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...tch-statistics



    More at link.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-figures-show/



    And half "immigrant crime" is against immigrants. There were 1000 attacks against immigrant centers last year- and that is a decline from the year before.
    This is really despicable. Grouping higher homicides with lower petty theft and saying people are safer because total crime is down is really 1984 bull$#@!.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24
    Trump will win every single state primary by double digits.
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    This is really despicable. Grouping higher homicides with lower petty theft and saying people are safer because total crime is down is really 1984 bull$#@!.
    Please don't discourage Zippy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    This is really despicable. Grouping higher homicides with lower petty theft and saying people are safer because total crime is down is really 1984 bull$#@!.
    It is true they had 25 more homicides than last year (in a country of 83 million people). Meanwhile they had 4,500 fewer violent crimes.

    http://www.dw.com/en/crime-in-german...ows/a-43485926

    Breakdown of crimes

    The report found:

    There were 5.76 million crimes reported in 2017, 9.6 percent fewer than in 2016.

    About one-third of all crimes were theft offenses, dropping by 11.8 percent.

    Shoplifting decreased by 6.6 percent, to 353,384 cases, and pickpocketing by 22.7 percent, to 127,376.

    33,263 cars and 300,006 bicycles were stolen — down 8.6 and 9.8 percent, respectively.

    Burglaries fell 23 percent, to 116,540 cases, although 80 percent of burglaries are still not solved.

    Violent crime declined by 2.4 percent, to 188,946 cases, of which 137,058 involved serious bodily injury.

    Murders increased by 3.2 percent, to 785 cases.

    The number of non-German suspects fell 22.8 percent, to 736,265.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 06-24-2018 at 02:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It is true they had 25 more homicides than last year. Meanwhile they had 50,000 fewer violent crimes.
    Make it 5,000 not 50,000. Ooops, an honest mistake.

    Violent crime declined by 2.4 percent, to 188,946 cases, of which 137,058 involved serious bodily injury.



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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Make it 5,000 not 50,000. Ooops, an honest mistake.
    Corrected. Thanks. Immigrants accused of crime fell by 23%.

    The drop in crime numbers follows a poll that found about half of Germans believe there are places in the country so lawless that even police will not venture into them. Migrants are often blamed for increased crime rates, despite the Federal Criminal Police's reporting that foreigners are less likely than native-born Germans to commit every category of crime.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 06-24-2018 at 02:30 PM.

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    Zippy is a great believer in government numbers.
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    The MAGA is strong in the Orange One, and it cannot be weakened by your fake news statistics.
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    Trump is basically stirring the pot. That's how he rolls. Ignore what he says and watch what he does. It's the Art of the Deal. I don't know why you keep posting this stuff, Zippy. Trump has one template. He follows it without fail. He says a lot of stuff and then he does something completely different, and it's what he has been working on all along.
    #NashvilleStrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Trump is basically stirring the pot. That's how he rolls. Ignore what he says and watch what he does. It's the Art of the Deal. I don't know why you keep posting this stuff, Zippy. Trump has one template. He follows it without fail. He says a lot of stuff and then he does something completely different, and it's what he has been working on all along.
    Yup. Specifically, he says a lot of stuff abut draining the swamp, and then he swims around snapping his alligator jaws onto whatever bit of meat he can.

    The question is, is it Zippy who's getting fooled, or you?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Yup. Specifically, he says a lot of stuff abut draining the swamp, and then he swims around snapping his alligator jaws onto whatever bit of meat he can.

    The question is, is it Zippy who's getting fooled, or you?
    Trump is not perfect but he is doing more good than any other politician around, Rand or Ron might have done better if they had won but they didn't.
    You are the one who is fooling yourself because you refuse to admit you were even a little bit wrong.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump is not perfect but he is doing more good than any other politician around, Rand or Ron might have done better if they had won but they didn't.
    You are the one who is fooling yourself because you refuse to admit you were even a little bit wrong.
    He isn't doing any good at all. The only reason you say he is would be Hillary Clinton.

    You're just like those bureaucrats who claim that their department's budget is cut because it was going to spend a lot more than last year, but now it's only going to spend a little more than last year. The "projected budget increase" got cut, and they call it a budget cut. That's Trump. He ain't doing $#@!. Maybe Clinton would have been worse. But that doesn't make Trump good. He's still bad. Very bad.

    Someone is fooling himself, all right. And someone is fooling herself. The Art of the Deal. He's screwing us all. But you two are happy because he kissed us first.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    American media has proven for years facts are not important .
    Do something Danke



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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    He isn't doing any good at all. The only reason you say he is would be Hillary Clinton.

    You're just like those bureaucrats who claim that their department's budget is cut because it was going to spend a lot more than last year, but now it's only going to spend a little more than last year. The "projected budget increase" got cut, and they call it a budget cut. That's Trump. He ain't doing $#@!. Maybe Clinton would have been worse. But that doesn't make Trump good. He's still bad. Very bad.

    Someone is fooling himself, all right. And someone is fooling herself. The Art of the Deal. He's screwing us all. But you two are happy because he kissed us first.
    TDS has blinded you to all the things he has actually done besides the things he hasn't that Hitlery would have done, I opposed Trump at first but unlike you I can admit when I am wrong so when he actually began doing some good things my position changed, I still would like to replace him with someone better but I can see we are actually better off because of him.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    American media has proven for years facts are not important .
    And that they wouldn't know a fact if it bit them.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And that they wouldn't know a fact if it bit them.
    Your position has not changed. You were a Vichy Appeaser when you got here, and you're a Vichy Appeaser today.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Never let facts get in the way. Just from the past week:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/22/pres...m-reality.html
    Where'd you get those "facts" Zippy, the liberal media?

    Fake news
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Your position has not changed. You were a Vichy Appeaser when you got here, and you're a Vichy Appeaser today.
    Projection.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Projection.
    You were an Appeaser when you got here, and you haven't changed a bit. This site used to be the Heart of the Resistance, and now it's just the Marshal Petain Appreciation Site.

    Keep cucksucking your Lesser Evil Dick. That sort of "conservatism" got us in this mess, and you will choke on that cock in the end.

    That's a Trump Fact you can take to the Gold Exchange.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You were an Appeaser when you got here, and you haven't changed a bit. This site used to be the Heart of the Resistance, and now it's just the Marshal Petain Appreciation Site.

    Keep cucksucking your Lesser Evil Dick. That sort of "conservatism" got us in this mess, and you will choke on that cock in the end.

    That's a Trump Fact you can take to the Gold Exchange.
    I ally with Trump because he serves our purposes and I will support anyone who is better against him, you play footsie with the demonic left and get nothing in return.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I ally with Trump because he serves our purposes and I will support anyone who is better against him, you play footsie with the demonic left and get nothing in return.
    Trump has been playing footsie with the "Demonic Left" since before either of us was born. And he has gotten his thirty pieces of silver millions of times over.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.



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  29. #25
    I am not surprised how Zippy is still defending migration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    I am not surprised how Zippy is still defending migration.
    They forgot to take him off payroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Corrected. Thanks. Immigrants accused of crime fell by 23%.


    Yes i am sure those gov official numbers are very true right? like how they are in Sweden?

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Trump has been playing footsie with the "Demonic Left" since before either of us was born. And he has gotten his thirty pieces of silver millions of times over.
    I don't care what he did in the past, I only care what is doing in office, I am well aware of his back history and that is why I didn't vote for him but he is not acting in office the way his record would have predicted.
    I will still support anyone better against him but right now we are benefiting from him.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't care what he did in the past, I only care what is doing in office, I am well aware of his back history and that is why I didn't vote for him but he is not acting in office the way his record would have predicted.
    I will still support anyone better against him but right now we are benefiting from him.
    You sure like to blather about practical realities. The practical reality is, the more the Church of the Lesser Evil engages in its Emergency Appeasement, the less of a chance "Anyone Better" ever gets.

    That's the thing you don't get, and that's why you get called everything from politically immature to hopelessly stupid.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You sure like to blather about practical realities. The practical reality is, the more the Church of the Lesser Evil engages in its Emergency Appeasement, the less of a chance "Anyone Better" ever gets.

    That's the thing you don't get, and that's why you get called everything from politically immature to hopelessly stupid.
    We can shift things in the right direction until we get where we should be or we can all vote Demoncrat and then launch an actual revolution against the communist police state they will erect without the support of a foreign power.

    People aren't going to all wake up one day and vote LP. (especially with the LP doing everything in its power to drive them away)

    The odds of success with the second option aren't worth discussing.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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