“Plus-Size” Culture Normalizes Obesity – Study

[euphemia]

I am defending the ideal against those who seek to make themselves or others feel good by denying reality.

You can spin this any way you like. Nobody wants to wear ugly clothes. If you are libertarian, then you should be advocating for free choice in clothing, and a free market that sells what people want.

If you don't believe that, then your are taking a page out of Bernie Sanders' book. He didn't believe we should have free choice in deodorants or antiperspirants. Link. I guess he was trying to normalize bad body odor.

[Swordsmyth]

You can spin this any way you like. Nobody wants to wear ugly clothes. If you are libertarian, then you should be advocating for free choice in clothing, and a free market that sells what people want.

If you don't believe that, then your are taking a page out of Bernie Sanders' book. He didn't believe we should have free choice in deodorants or antiperspirants.

People can make, sell and wear whatever they want, I already said that.
It is the campaign to pretend fat is beautiful that is the problem.

[euphemia]

You are one person with one opinion. Some people like meat on the bones, and they have a right to their opinions, too. Nobody would consider your attitude a thing of beauty, and you do not get to define what other people like.

I have never known you to be so uncharitable toward people that you blindly follow what one article says and totally ignore what the Bible says. You do not know what causes people to gain weight. You might want to do a little bit of homework on that, too. Have you ever noticed how bloated people are when they have liver and kidney problems? Have you ever known what it is to have rheumatoid arthritis? Not so many years ago one of the only treatments was steroids.

You might want to think about that before you start judging people for not living up to your small-minded standard.

[Swordsmyth]

You are one person with one opinion. Some people like meat on the bones, and they have a right to their opinions, too. Nobody would consider your attitude a thing of beauty, and you do not get to define what other people like.

I have never known you to be so uncharitable toward people that you blindly follow what one article says and totally ignore what the Bible says. You do not know what causes people to gain weight. You might want to do a little bit of homework on that, too. Have you ever noticed how bloated people are when they have liver and kidney problems? Have you ever known what it is to have rheumatoid arthritis? Not so many years ago one of the only treatments was steroids.

You might want to think about that before you start judging people for not living up to your small-minded standard.

I am not uncharitable, I didn't say fat people had no value or were prima facie bad or anything.
How people gain weight is not my business and I am not condemning all fat people.
There are many fat people who are far better human beings than many skinny or middle weight people.
I didn't even say fat people are all ugly.


I do not get to pretend I am as strong as Olympic weight lifters but that doesn't mean I am bad or worthless.

Beauty is what it is and it isn't fat.

[Schifference]

I have a Boxer he is 8. When he was 3 he acted like he was old. He was fat and liked to lay around and could barely navigate stairs. This spring I took him with me and he lived outside in SC for 3 months. I fed him the amount of food he was always supposed to get with hardly ever any treats. He has always been an inside dog. In SC I live in a 27 foot camper and there is no room in there for an incontinent dog and I didn't want to deal with those issues so he slept outside. First 2 weeks he scratched relentlessly at the door. Then he stopped. I only tied him up if I left the property to go somewhere. Otherwise he was free to go wherever he pleased. The dog became thin. He now runs around with puppy enthusiasm. He is still incontinent but he cannot control that. The dog has a great profile and attitude. Before he looked like a pig and was very lazy. Now he is handsome.

[Keith and stuff]

Obesity is a moral right to suicide. Certainly, people control the main aspects of their life including if they are suicidal their weight. While I don't support or encourage, or even respect the promotion of suicide via obesity, I understand and support the right to be obese, cutting 10 to 20 years off of a typical lifespan. Liberals are most universally support the right-to-die very early. I can't say they are completely wrong and encouraging people to die, but I certainly don't support it, and I will not do it myself.

[timosman]

Obesity is a moral right to suicide. Certainly, people control the main aspects of their life including if they are suicidal their weight. While I don't support or encourage, or even respect the promotion of suicide via obesity, I understand and support the right to be obese, cutting 10 to 20 years off of a typical lifespan. Liberals are most universally support the right-to-die very early. I can't say they are completely wrong and encouraging people to die, but I certainly don't support it, and I will not do it myself.

I am sure some might argue this is an example of hate speech.

[dannno]

The skinny-minny look started in the 60s with Twiggy. Before the 20th Century, it was considered pleasing to be plump and a sign of wealth. Most of today's "fatness" comes from the great American diet, which is bunk and not at all healthy.

And Marilyn Monroe would be considered "fat" today.

I think that everything you just said is a huge myth promoted by third wave feminists.

Marilyn Monroe would be considered fat by today's anorexic model standards, but those women's pictures are mostly featured in magazines that are sold to women.

Most men don't care if a woman gains 2 or 5 lbs, some women completely freak out when they do. Most men like women who are relatively fit or thin, or slightly over that, and AF is an outlier.

[Schifference]

Obesity is no small problem.

Most fat people don't accept that they are addicts just like junkies or alcoholics.

Bad lifestyle choices lead to terrible consequences and then the response is I am normal. Stop the hate speech. Don't be so mean. Beauty is on the inside. People make choices to eat junk processed food and then want society to pay the price. This is not about a libertarian that chooses to overeat. Obesity is probably the number one reason healthcare costs so much money. Obese people have more health problems.

Airlines charge more for people that are obese. They must purchase 2 seats. Some argue the airlines are at fault for making the seating area too small. Why should a normal size person that wants to fly economy be up-charged for another passengers hip baggage? https://www.smartertravel.com/2017/0...sity-policies/

[oyarde]

Obesity is a moral right to suicide. Certainly, people control the main aspects of their life including if they are suicidal their weight. While I don't support or encourage, or even respect the promotion of suicide via obesity, I understand and support the right to be obese, cutting 10 to 20 years off of a typical lifespan. Liberals are most universally support the right-to-die very early. I can't say they are completely wrong and encouraging people to die, but I certainly don't support it, and I will not do it myself.

Something about that makes me want some chicken wings .

[ghengis86]

I think that everything you just said is a huge myth promoted by third wave feminists.

Marilyn Monroe would be considered fat by today's anorexic model standards, but those women's pictures are mostly featured in magazines that are sold to women.

Most men don't care if a woman gains 2 or 5 lbs, some women completely freak out when they do. Most men like women who are relatively fit or thin, or slightly over that, and AF is an outlier.

Most guys don’t like those super skinny models. I know I don’t. Fit with curves is the ideal body type. Some like thicker...some are downright deranged and like the land whales.

Fat, like that SI swimsuit behemoth, is not beautiful. And just as young women shouldn’t be bombarded with images of super thin, anorexic models and told that’s the standard for beauty, they shouldn’t be told that weighing a metric ton is OK either.

Being fat is a symptom of some other problem, usually emotional or past trauma. I haven’t hired a fat person yet. Not that I wouldn’t if there were one who excelled at their trade, I just haven’t run across that yet. The amount that fat people $#@! up your insurance pool is unreal. A couple fatties with diabetes, high blood pressure, sleep apnea, hip/knee problems, etc can drive up insurance for everyone, even with 100+ employees in the group. And, if you don’t have the self control to limit what you put in your mouth or the discipline to maintain a healthy life - your one life, this gift we are given - how can I trust you with something infinitely less important, like making sure customers are invoiced properly?

Fat is not only not beautiful, but it is unhealthy and something that should not be normalized.

[specsaregood]

Most guys don’t like those super skinny models. I know I don’t. Fit with curves is the ideal body type.

Unsurprising since the fashion industry is filled with hom osexuals. They like their female models to look like young boys.

[lilymc]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and we all have free will to live our lives the way we want. However, I have to say, it makes me sad to see so many obese people in the US, who have all sorts of health problems and are taking tons of medication, which profits certain industries who don't care about getting to the root of the problem but only treating the symptoms. Also, if it's true that the epidemic of obesity affects everyone's healthcare costs, then I don't think it's something that should be promoted. I'm not sure why anyone would argue with that. I believe that all people are equally valuable. But obesity is a big problem and since it can lead to many health problems, it's not something that society should treat as normal / healthy, imo.

[Suzanimal]

The skinny-minny look started in the 60s with Twiggy. Before the 20th Century, it was considered pleasing to be plump and a sign of wealth. Most of today's "fatness" comes from the great American diet, which is bunk and not at all healthy.

And Marilyn Monroe would be considered "fat" today.

No she wouldn't. That's a myth based on ignorance of clothing sizes. Technically, Monroe was a size 12/14 but a vintage size 12/14 is much smaller than a modern size 14. BTW, Marilyn Monroe was 5'5" tall and weighted 117 lbs at her death.

[euphemia]

Thin isn’t everything. Monroe was hopelessly addicted to drugs.

[Suzanimal]

IMO, beauty does come in all sizes. Some people are just built to carry more weight than others and actually look better with a few extra pounds on them.

As far as health is concerned, if I'm not $#@!ing you or financing you, it's none of my business.

[Suzanimal]

Thin isn’t everything. Monroe was hopelessly addicted to drugs.

Absolutely, I was just pointing out that she wasn't fat.

[Ender]

No she wouldn't. That's a myth based on ignorance of clothing sizes. Technically, Monroe was a size 12/14 but a vintage size 12/14 is much smaller than a modern size 14. BTW, Marilyn Monroe was 5'5" tall and weighted 117 lbs at her death.

I think Marilyn was beautiful- I'm speaking of today's stupid standards & how the whole "fat" thing has been pushed for Big Corps.

And that picture is a very thin Marilyn- she did vary a bit in weight- but her hour glass figure kept her stunning.

And as anyone who's seen her films knows, her weight shifted a lot, so any "Marilyn Monroe was X size" statement is, stopped clock-style, probably going to be accurate at some point.

But if people demand numbers? They're certainly out there. According to measurements from Marilyn Monroe's dressmaker:
Height: 5 feet, 5½ inches
Weight: 118-140 pounds
Bust: 35-37 inches
Waist: 22-23 inches
Hips: 35-36 inches
Bra size: 36D

https://jezebel.com/5299793/for-the-...marilyn-monroe

[Swordsmyth]

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[timosman]

No she wouldn't. That's a myth based on ignorance of clothing sizes. Technically, Monroe was a size 12/14 but a vintage size 12/14 is much smaller than a modern size 14. BTW, Marilyn Monroe was 5'5" tall and weighted 117 lbs at her death.

Another fat lie.

[TheTexan]

You do not know what causes people to gain weight.

Eating

[TheTexan]

I have a thyroid disorder that makes me eat at mcdonalds almost every day

[timosman]

I have a thyroid disorder that makes me eat at mcdonalds almost every day

Maybe you are simply cheap?

[heavenlyboy34]

Eating

Not necessarily true. Those of us who are active or genetically gifted have to work harder and plan our meals to gain weight.

[Suzanimal]

Another fat lie.

Yes.

The weight gain she experienced in the late 1950's (when she weighed 140lbs -which isn't even very heavy) was likely due to her pregnancy. She miscarried, btw.

[shakey1]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...65#post6635765

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Fat asses legislating normal out of existence.






https://www.ocregister.com/2016/03/0...rts-are-split/








Yeah, I guess Santa Claus is probably too skinny for some of these slobs.

[Article title]:
Should we regulate too-skinny models? Fashion industry, medical experts are split


Excerpts:

A California lawmaker wants his state to be the first in the U.S. to require fashion models to obtain a doctor’s note to prove they are healthy enough to work.

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He also wants to require modeling agencies to classify their models – both men and women – as full-time employees rather than contractors, a switch that would trigger benefits including health insurance, overtime and paid vacation.

[oyarde]

Unsurprising since the fashion industry is filled with hom osexuals. They like their female models to look like young boys.

I think so .

[Anti Federalist]

If you don't like it you can disagree with me

I disagree with you.

[Anti Federalist]

and AF is an outlier.

I disagree with you, as well.