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    Exclamation Does the West have the will to survive?

    The answer is, no.

    The west has no stomach for what is needed to preserve its liberty from creeping tyranny, let alone the moral and physical courage to preserve its life.

    Half a century of progressive rot has done irreversible damage.



    HAS THE WEST THE WILL TO SURVIVE?

    http://www.wnd.com/2018/06/has-the-w...ll-to-survive/

    Pat Buchanan blasts progressives who are loyal only to 'an ideological nation'

    “If you’re … pathetically weak, the country is going to be overrun with millions of people, and if you’re strong, then you don’t have any heart, that’s a tough dilemma. … I’d rather be strong.”

    So said President Donald Trump, on issuing his order halting the separation of children from parents caught breaking into the country. Trump’s enemies are celebrating a victory. Yet the issue remains.

    Under U.S. law, teenagers and tots cannot be detained for more than 20 days and must be held in the least-restrictive facilities. But if the children cannot be separated from the parents as they await trial, both will have to be released to keep families together.

    We are back to “catch and release.”

    When that welcome news hits Central America, the migrant stream moving north will become a river that never ceases to flow.

    The questions America and the West face might thus be framed:

    Is there a liberal, progressive, Christian way to seal a 2,000-mile border, halt millions of migrants from crossing it illegally and send intruders back whence they came? Or does the preservation of Western nations and peoples require measures from which liberal societies today reflexively recoil?

    Does the survival of the West as a civilization require a ruthlessness the West no longer possess?

    Consider what our fathers did to build this country.

    The English settlers brought in 600,000 slaves, ethnically cleansed the Indians, joined their cousins in a war to expel the French, then revolted and threw out those cousins to claim all the land to the Mississippi for ourselves.

    Jefferson grabbed the vast Louisiana Territory for $15 million from Napoleon, who had no right to sell it. Andrew Jackson drove the Spanish out of Florida, sent the Cherokee packing on the Trail of Tears, and told a dissenting Chief Justice John Marshall where he could go.

    Sam Houston tore Texas away from Mexico. “Jimmy” Polk took the Southwest and California in a war Ulysses Grant called “the most unjust ever fought.” When the South declared independence, Lincoln sent a million-man army to march them back in a war that cost 600,000 lives.

    William McKinley sent armies and warships to seize Puerto Rico, Hawaii, Guam and the Philippines. The indigenous peoples were not consulted. “God told me to take the Philippines,” said McKinley.

    The conquest and colonization of the New World and the creation of the United States and its rise to world power required acts of aggression and war of which many among our elites are ashamed. They exhibit their guilt by tearing down the statues of the men who perpetrated the “crimes” that created America. But of these elites, it may be fairly said: They could never have built a nation like ours.

    Which brings us again to the larger questions.

    While our forefathers would not have hesitated to do what was needed to secure our borders and expel intruders, it is not a settled matter as to whether this generation has the will to preserve the West.

    Progressives may parade their moral superiority as they cheer the defeat of the “zero tolerance” policy. But they have no solution to the crisis. Indeed, many do not even see it as a crisis because they do not see themselves as belonging to a separate tribe, nation or people threatened by an epochal invasion from the Third World.

    They see themselves as belonging to an ideological nation, a nation of ideas, whose mission is to go forth and preach and teach all peoples the gospel of democracy, diversity and equality.

    And this is why the establishment was repudiated in 2016. It was perceived as too elite, too liberal, too weak to secure the borders and repel the invaders.

    “If you’re really, really pathetically weak, the country is going to be overrun with millions of people,” said Trump Wednesday. Is he wrong?

    Since the Cold War ended with the collapse of the Soviet Union, it has grown apparent that the existential threat to the West comes not from Czar Vladimir’s Russian divisions returning to the Elbe.

    The existential threat came from the south.

    Half a century ago, Houari Boumedienne, the leader of a poor but militant Algeria, allegedly proclaimed at the United Nations:

    “One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.”

    This is the existential crisis of the West.

    Thus, Trump seeks to build a wall, turn back the intruders and bring Vladimir Putin back into the Western camp, where Russia belongs. Thus the new populist regime in Rome blocks boats of refugees from landing in Italy. Thus Angela Merkel looks like yesterday, and Viktor Orban like tomorrow.



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  3. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The answer is, no.

    The west has no stomach for what is needed to preserve its liberty from creeping tyranny, let alone the moral and physical courage to preserve its life.

    Half a century of progressive rot has done irreversible damage.



    HAS THE WEST THE WILL TO SURVIVE?

    http://www.wnd.com/2018/06/has-the-w...ll-to-survive/
    Most people in this country don't even know anything's wrong.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    We live in the land of the Free!

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    Survive from what? They are living in a carefully manipulated dream. We have idiots walking around with the notion that 'racism' and 'sexism' are the greatest threat.
    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    Yea... its a free country yo! I'm gettin on with my free phone.

    Hasta - off to vegas, b!tchz...

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    "Article 58-1a, twenty five years... What did you get it for?"
    Gulag Prisoner: "For nothing at all."
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  7. #6
    I am of the opinion that the West must be purged, before it can be survive. We need purification and renewal. A reset. The freaks enabled by the media entertainment complex need to fulfill their life's mission and die as quickly as possible.
    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    If physical interaction with migrants is deemed as inhuman, what other options are there? A menacing, physical barrier is the only choice because the benefits will never be repealed.
    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    Half a century of progressive rot... and no talk at all about the right-wing rot.
    The US has been flooded with people whose countries were ruined by the US - and they all know it - and the reason they're coming to the place with a government that ruined their lives, the only reason, is to make a buck and try to get by.
    There is a golden opportunity to explain a third way - a way that doesn't imprison people for making jokes about gender neutral bathrooms but ALSO doesn't create banana republics - and the people who are fleeing those tyrannies are the exact people who would listen.

    The West doesn't have the will to survive because the West fundamentally doesn't believe in its supposed central tenets.
    True progressives represent a very loud, very angry, very SMALL minority here.
    But we're already getting reports that the universities that produce them are losing entrants by droves, and serious legal actions taken by their victims (like Shepherd and Peterson) pose a very real chance of financially crippling them even further... not to mention silencing them in the future.

    The much smaller threat to liberty is more dangerous because it's the one that has widespread support. It's the one that has had "border checks" a full 100 miles within the border for more than a decade. It's the one that has gotten away with kidnapping for years.

    Neither side of this debate has any moral legs to stand on. The reason the West won't survive is because neither side can get its $#@! together and figure out how not to be objectively evil and do it all the time.

    It really did look like a third way was being born from 08-12. It's a real shame so many people abandoned it.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.



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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Half a century of progressive rot... and no talk at all about the right-wing rot.
    The US has been flooded with people whose countries were ruined by the US - and they all know it - and the reason they're coming to the place with a government that ruined their lives, the only reason, is to make a buck and try to get by.
    There is a golden opportunity to explain a third way - a way that doesn't imprison people for making jokes about gender neutral bathrooms but ALSO doesn't create banana republics - and the people who are fleeing those tyrannies are the exact people who would listen.

    The West doesn't have the will to survive because the West fundamentally doesn't believe in its supposed central tenets.
    True progressives represent a very loud, very angry, very SMALL minority here.
    But we're already getting reports that the universities that produce them are losing entrants by droves, and serious legal actions taken by their victims (like Shepherd and Peterson) pose a very real chance of financially crippling them even further... not to mention silencing them in the future.

    The much smaller threat to liberty is more dangerous because it's the one that has widespread support. It's the one that has had "border checks" a full 100 miles within the border for more than a decade. It's the one that has gotten away with kidnapping for years.

    Neither side of this debate has any moral legs to stand on. The reason the West won't survive is because neither side can get its $#@! together and figure out how not to be objectively evil and do it all the time.

    It really did look like a third way was being born from 08-12. It's a real shame so many people abandoned it.
    ^^^THIS^^^

    Amen, Bro! It's both "sides", which in my POV is just one side getting Americans to hate each other so they are blind to the man behind the curtain.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    ^^^THIS^^^

    Amen, Bro! It's both "sides", which in my POV is just one side getting Americans to hate each other so they are blind to the man behind the curtain.
    'The man behind the curtain' is utilizing displaced peoples to cement their next phase for human domination. Under the guise of mass democracy and social justice, the technological shackles will be further unveiled. That is the endgame because the domestic population is not debasing itself fast enough for their liking. A demographic shift increases the speed of the transformation.
    Last edited by AuH20; 06-22-2018 at 09:29 AM.
    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    'The man behind the curtain' is utilizing displaced peoples to cement their next phase for human domination. Under the guise of mass democracy and social justice, the technological shackles will be further unveiled. That is the endgame because the domestic population is not debasing itself fast enough for their liking. A demographic shift increases the speed of the transformation.
    I believe that "The man behind the curtain" is promoting the left/right agenda and hatred so that the people will spend their time & efforts pointing fingers at each other instead of standing together against the final & complete take over of Liberty.
    There is no spoon.

  14. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    I believe that "The man behind the curtain" is promoting the left/right agenda and hatred so that the people will spend their time & efforts pointing fingers at each other instead of standing together against the final & complete take over of Liberty.
    Liberty on a larger scale doesn't appear often in human populations. It's an anomaly and even less likely to manifest in heterogeneous societies, since there is a missing trust factor.

    In a perfect world, there would be a relatively balanced table of nations, ethnically distinct from each other, but instead we have this dominant, polyglot 'authoritarian based' model, derived from the writings of Cecil Rhodes.
    Last edited by AuH20; 06-22-2018 at 09:55 AM.
    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    Government has always wanted to control and terrorize its people. Now the new technologies will automate everything and make it easier.
    Americans have voluntarily allowed Alexa (a friend of Big Government) into their homes, and they will not realize the danger until it is too late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Liberty on a larger scale doesn't appear often in human populations. It's an anomaly and even less likely to manifest in heterogeneous societies, since there is a missing trust factor.

    In a perfect world, there would be a relatively balanced table of nations, ethnically distinct from each other, but instead we have this dominant, polyglot 'authoritarian based' model, derived from the writings of Cecil Rhodes.
    It's never easy- but can be done.

    "We are not to expect to be translated from despotism to liberty in a featherbed." - Letter to the Marquis de Lafayette, April 2, 1790- Thomas Jefferson
    “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”
    Patrick Henry

    “The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.”
    Thomas Jefferson
    Last edited by Ender; 06-22-2018 at 11:12 AM.
    There is no spoon.

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    So... basically the main reason to hold their kids is kind as collateral so the parents won't run off?


    How about we just say they all have to be chipped when they come in so they can all be precisely tracked? Then if for any reason they wander if they can easily be found?

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  20. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    I am of the opinion that the West must be purged, before it can be survive. We need purification and renewal. A reset. The freaks enabled by the media entertainment complex need to fulfill their life's mission and die as quickly as possible.
    Welcome to the Collapsitarian party.
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VIDEODROME View Post
    How about we just say they all have to be chipped when they come in so they can all be precisely tracked? Then if for any reason they wander if they can easily be found?
    That's all just foreplay. Cut the foreplay and take this to its logical conclusion.
    Anti-immigration types don't fundamentally believe these are people we're dealing with, so let's take advantage of that.
    If they're vermin, let's treat them like vermin.
    Cut the foreplay and just eliminate them when you find them.
    There is literally no faster way to "solve this problem". You don't even have to do it to anywhere near of them - just enough to make the rest leave.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    Welcome to the Collapsitarian party.
    As everyday passes, they get stronger and we get weaker. Technology is becoming more advanced, yet IQ levels are dropping. We need a massive reality based event to throw the game board on it's back.
    Last edited by AuH20; 06-22-2018 at 12:22 PM.
    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    Naive bleeding heart leftists are at a Darwinian disadvantage. When they make the decisions for a society or nation, that society or nation becomes less likely to survive. They are not the fitttest, as their naive nature makes them a victim for the majority of the dog eat dog, cheat whenever you can world.
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  24. #21
    So do we really want to aspire to be a brutal dog-eat-dog Natural Selection world?

    I think the Left wants to move beyond that and maybe it could be thought of as Artificial Selection. We've long been operating under a Darwinian Natural Selection model, but maybe they think it doesn't have to remain that way or we can do better.

    Maybe that's naive though and Humans are not capable of that moving beyond such cut throat behavior or just looking to screw each other over.
    Last edited by VIDEODROME; 06-22-2018 at 12:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIDEODROME View Post
    So do we really want to aspire to be a brutal dog-eat-dog Natural Selection world?

    I think the Left wants to move beyond that and maybe it could be thought of as Artificial Selection. We've long been operating under a Darwinian Natural Selection model, but maybe they think it doesn't have to remain that way or we can do better.

    Maybe that's naive though and Humans are not capable of that moving beyond such cut throat behavior or just looking to screw each other over.
    When the elite parasites will finally have some skin in the game, things will change for the better. Right now, we're on autopilot into 1984. Bring social interaction down to it's brutal, most unforgiving form and civilization will gradually return.

    If people literally break their backs to feed and defend themselves in the future, they won't be so willing to give away such fruits away to some governmental entity. Scarcity and fear makes for hard, independent people.
    Last edited by AuH20; 06-22-2018 at 01:08 PM.
    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    When the elite parasites will finally have some skin in the game, things will change for the better. Right now, we're on autopilot into 1984. Bring social interaction down to it's brutal, most unforgiving form and civilization will gradually return.

    If people literally break their backs to feed and defend themselves in the future, they won't be so willing to give away such fruits away to some governmental entity. Scarcity and fear makes for hard, independent people.
    I'm not sure if Liberty is necessarily in conflict with Civilization and Technology and we should hope to toss away all this human advancement to see if people forced to adapt become Sovereign Citizens or something.

    As for introducing Scarcity and Fear under dire circumstances, I think we'd find out how the Canadians handle a flood of hungry Americans looking for work and opportunity in a modern society instead of finding rugged individualism in the left over husk of a fallen country.

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by VIDEODROME View Post
    I'm not sure if Liberty is necessarily in conflict with Civilization and Technology and we should hope to toss away all this human advancement to see if people forced to adapt become Sovereign Citizens or something.

    As for introducing Scarcity and Fear under dire circumstances, I think we'd find out how the Canadians handle a flood of hungry Americans looking for work and opportunity in a modern society instead of finding rugged individualism in the left over husk of a fallen country.
    Until the environmental factors change, I don't think we will see any tangible form of liberty. We need to get back to basics first and the cycle must begin anew. Experience builds principles and then the benefits follow. The current population is largely incapable of becoming what many of this site desire to be. It's not going to happen.
    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster



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  29. #25
    I think the "West" needs a whole lotta changing if this is what we support:

    US operating 19 terrorist training camps in Syria
    That the US will utilize any means that they can to exercise their influence in the region is not a surprise, and that Washington supports terrorist groups in Syria is something of an open secret, as Washington just recently announced that it is resuming its funding of the terrorist linked group, the ‘White Helmets‘, which was largely responsible for the claims alleging that Assad’s government employed chemical weapons on Syrian civilians in Douma back in April. The Syrian rebel groups and others which the US deems ‘moderates’ have also been recipients of aid and munitions from Washington’s coffers, and have served to further escalate tensions and further destabilize the region. America is also openly supporting Kurdish groups inside Syria for this purpose as well, much to the disapproval of NATO ally Turkey.
    https://theduran.com/us-operating-19...amps-in-syria/

    This is what the West is really doing, while TPTB have us all on fire about borders.
    There is no spoon.

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by VIDEODROME View Post
    So do we really want to aspire to be a brutal dog-eat-dog Natural Selection world? .
    Abso-$#@!ing-lutely!

    Gotta thin the herd somehow might as well feed the combatants politician livers before battle.....
    Last edited by tod evans; 06-22-2018 at 02:37 PM.

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Until the environmental factors change, I don't think we will see any tangible form of liberty. We need to get back to basics first and the cycle must begin anew. Experience builds principles and then the benefits follow. The current population is largely incapable of becoming what many of this site desire to be. It's not going to happen.
    I might be one of those people since I don't see the need to toss out modern society. Or maybe I'm no longer sure what you're seeking to achieve or desire to be.

    I mean maybe people could just trade places with these immigrants and go live in failing nations?

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Until the environmental factors change, I don't think we will see any tangible form of liberty. We need to get back to basics first and the cycle must begin anew. Experience builds principles and then the benefits follow. The current population is largely incapable of becoming what many of this site desire to be. It's not going to happen.
    We're here because of a movement that started in 2007 and didn't show any signs of stopping until Rand Paul slit its throat.
    I don't know about you, but I'm one of the overwhelming majority of those of us who got swept up in it, who actually had our minds changed by that movement.
    When you doomsayers show up here and say "the current population can't handle it", what you're saying is, everyone who had their minds changed by that movement was nothing more than a fluke.
    You're saying that what we experienced first-hand cannot happen to others.

    I know it can happen because I lived it. It gets really, really tiresome hearing people say it's impossible.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    I believe that "The man behind the curtain" is promoting the left/right agenda and hatred so that the people will spend their time & efforts pointing fingers at each other instead of standing together against the final & complete take over of Liberty.
    The man behind the curtain is promoting the left and polluting the right, the left believes in nothing good and can't be saved, the right believes in good things and can be saved if it is cleansed.
    Even without a cleansing a world ruled by the right would be better than the world the left is creating.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by VIDEODROME View Post
    So... basically the main reason to hold their kids is kind as collateral so the parents won't run off?


    How about we just say they all have to be chipped when they come in so they can all be precisely tracked? Then if for any reason they wander if they can easily be found?

    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    That's all just foreplay. Cut the foreplay and take this to its logical conclusion.
    Anti-immigration types don't fundamentally believe these are people we're dealing with, so let's take advantage of that.
    If they're vermin, let's treat them like vermin.
    Cut the foreplay and just eliminate them when you find them.
    There is literally no faster way to "solve this problem". You don't even have to do it to anywhere near of them - just enough to make the rest leave.
    How about we just keep them out in the first place and throw out the ones who are here?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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