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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Europe will be brought to the brink of death, at that point they will either change in response to the crisis and recover or they will die.
America has begun to turn the ship around with Trump, it is not enough yet but if we can keep turning the ship we may survive, the left will break out in violence if we continue to turn things around and the outcome of that conflict will determine our fate.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
I'm for what we've achieved even with our flaws. I don't follow the ideas mentioned here that we need to destroy America so it can be rebuilt.
I'm also not sure what the appeal is for the embrace of Dog-eat-dog survival of the fittest. I think we have to much of that and its what leads to things like ENRON.
Not trying to push for a central architect of society, but questioning the appeal of that kind of cut throat culture or why people want a more primitive lifestyle or dislike modernity so much.
Can you figure a way to provide "modernity" with far less government?
Regardless our fine government will see to it that our collectively cushy lifestyle ends before long what with pissing off folks from all corners of the globe. Somebody will manage to strike a resounding blow, probably sooner than later, whether it's biological or to the power grid, life will tend to be far from cushy...
Last edited by tod evans; 06-22-2018 at 03:51 PM.
Because nothing better is possible as anything more than voluntary behavior that many people will not participate in, the moment you give the government power to compel superior behavior you give it the power to compel any behavior and the corrupt will use it to do evil things.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
As smarter foreign policy and modern leaner military. I sometimes we're always arming ourselves like we're still in the Cold War.
Otherwise, maybe there is potential for drone tech having a role in transporting goods so less road damage.
Or do the opposite of that Foxconn nonsense coming to Wisconsin. These colossal businesses should be paying taxes, not getting huge breaks. Thats not smaller government exactly, but rebalancing the tax burden.
The promise of technology haven't been collectively earned and that's why it is so dangerous. A sizable swath of the general public possesses a rudimentary reading level, despite being addicted to the hypnotic glow of their smart phones. Zombies like this will never be receptive to the call of property rights or the non aggression principle. Their time is up, but they don't know it yet.
Last edited by AuH20; 06-22-2018 at 05:32 PM.
I see technology as empowering people, which I suppose can be good or bad or merely squandered.
As for aggression, it sounds like some people here are want to see the system collapse and then pick up the pieces in a harsher survival of the fittest world of some kind. Maybe some see Taxation as Theft or aggression, but I don't see throwing away what we have now to solve that as a good trade off.
No the west is on its dying legs.
"Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."
Calvin Coolidge
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Will western civilization and culture as you think of it survive ? Probably not . Oyarde will survive though and live luxuriously .
Do something Danke
Be patient as Tech evolves. I think the presence of GNU/Linux and the Free Open Source Software movement helps.
I also think Television Media will eventually die and be replaced by on-demand streaming content including news. The old commercial driven 24 Hour News cycle constantly trying to hold attention for ratings is a disaster. I hope Radio news dies as well to be replaced by something like subscriber premium podcasts.
I'm also holding out and hoping Facebook's dominance is vulnerable.
If we keep advancing, I wonder if highly advanced portable fabrication Tech could lead to so much self sufficiency, people would be more free.
Survive? The West doesn't even have the will to regard itself as something distinct and particular and, most importantly, superior.
NeoReactionary. American High Tory.
The counter-revolution will not be televised.
T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me
Originally Posted by Philhelm
Ethnic cleansing like what @AuH20 advocates could be related to a collapse, or separate from one.
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Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!
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I guess I'm wondering if parts of the system can be reformed instead of tossing everything and starting over. I think our system is okay, it's just that certain ultra wealthy people or companies are able to buy influence over it. The absurdity is mostly so that the candidates can buy the most Commercial Air Time. Stuff like this is why I think ending the old Television based media will be good. They've also let the debates turn into an awful spectacle.... again thanks to ratings.
It would be nice if this was completely replaced by a free format with no commercials and more open access to candidates. Basically, getting the old media out might reduce the need for all this campaign money in return for selling political influence.
If more regular people can have influence it would feel more like a Representative Government again. I won't say that means all taxes just go away, but average people having more say in what goes on would be more like Taxation With Representation.
I think this is still a decent nation and system of government, but it has clearly been hijacked by powerful wealthy interests. The politicians seem to have to decide whether to take that money or refuse it and lose to the opponent who outspent them. I would rather see a reform solve this than hope for everything to fall apart.
There are no crimes against people.
There are only crimes against the state.
And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.
And that's a wrap!
Ethnic cleansing? A sizable percentage of whites need to fade away. They are just as much as part of the problem. We have a human problem as opposed to purely a minority problem. The minority problem is simply augmenting and rapidly speeding up the existing structural problems created by the native population.
I figure that an EMP detonated in the upper atmosphere would do a hell of a job culling Progressotopia and really throw the evil machinations of Fed Gov for a loop. Facial recognition would be useless with their integrated circuits fried. With the security grid blown to bits, at least our people would have a chance at some type of future.
Last edited by AuH20; 06-23-2018 at 08:21 AM.
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