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    Although NK's dictator visited China again, media's "Trump got played" narrative is overblown

    There is also no proof that yesterday's new China tariffs were announced because NK's supreme leader KJU visited China instead of calling Trump following their historic summit, although possible these were also meant to send a message to NK/China to not play Trump.
    Incidentally Dennis Rodman is being treated as a rock star when he was hosted by MSNBC's Megyn Kelly today.


    The past 24 hours in startling North Korea news, explained


    The US made a big military concession, and Kim made a dramatic diplomatic trip to China — again.

    By Alex Ward Jun 19, 2018, 12:00pm EDT

    North Korean leader Kim Jong Un just had a great 24 hours.


    President Donald Trump continues to tout the success of his North Korea summit last week — but it’s Kim Jong Un who’s taking the real victory lap.
    On Tuesday morning, the North Korean leader made his third trip to China in as many months to meet with President Xi Jinping. Xi used the opportunity to praise Kim and say that the summit was an “important step toward the political solution of the Korean Peninsula nuclear issue.”
    And just the night before, the Pentagon announced that it would cancel a key military exercise with South Korea in August. That’s a big deal since that’s a significant concession the North Koreans have wanted for a long time. After all, they see these exercises as prep for an invasion and have protested against them every time they occur.
    So in just the past 24 hours, it seems that the relationship between Washington and Seoul took a slight hit while Beijing-Pyongyang ties got a little stronger. This may all be in service of a potential deal to curb North Korea’s nuclear weapons program — but until that happens, it sure does look like Kim is making out like a bandit from the summit.

    https://www.vox.com/2018/6/19/174785...eedom-guardian



    How Donald Trump Got Played By a Ruthless Dictator

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...esults-w521438



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    Please stop reading this kind of nonsense, it isn't good for your brain.

    The new tariffs show that Trump doesn't need China to help with N Korea anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The new tariffs show that Trump doesn't need China to help with N Korea anymore.
    While true that media has its biases, but if China continued to open borders/increase trade with NK before sanctions are lifted, that won't impact NK's motivation to give up its nukes - the key objective of Kim-Trump historic summit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    While true that media has its biases, but if China continued to open borders/increase trade with NK before sanctions are lifted, that won't impact NK's motivation to give up its nukes - the key objective of Kim-Trump historic summit?
    Maybe Trump doesn't need their help with the stick now that he has sold Kim on the carrot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Maybe Trump doesn't need their help with the stick now that he has sold Kim on the carrot.
    That is optimistic and hopefully he's sold but we don't know that for sure. NK's dictators are known to lie.

    Then there is history like this:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6641911

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    That is optimistic and hopefully he's sold but we don't know that for sure. NK's dictators are known to lie.

    Then there is history like this:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6641911
    North Korea reportedly offered to abandon a key weapon — and it has nothing to do with nukes

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    KJU is a Rock Star in Beijing

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  9. #8
    Let's not rush to assumptions and wait till all the facts come out:



    North Korea believed to be 'deceiving' US, increasing nuclear production: report

    By Kathleen Joyce | Fox News

    U.S. intelligence officials believe North Korea has been “deceiving” the U.S., saying the Hermit Kingdom was bolstering production for nuclear weapons at “multiple secret sites” in the past few months, a report stated.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/30...on-report.html



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    This sharp change in tone is bit concerning:

    North Korea Slams `Cancerous' U.S. Demands at Nuclear Talks

    By Nick Wadhams
    July 7, 2018, 6:41 AM EDT Updated on July 7, 2018, 10:44 AM EDT

    • Foreign ministry statement comes hours after Pompeo departs
    • Secretary of state said negotiations done in ‘good faith’



    Mike Pompeo speaks to members of the media following meetings in Pyongyang on July 7.
    Photographer: Andrew Harnik/AFP via Getty Images
    The U.S. and North Korea sharply diverged after two days of talks, with Pyongyang terming the U.S. position on denuclearization during meetings with Mike Pompeo “extremely regrettable,” hours after the secretary of state cited progress on central issues.
    A North Korean Foreign Ministry spokesman, in a statement reported by the state media outlet Korea Central News Agency, said Pompeo had put forward the same “cancerous” demands that past administrations had sought.
    Trust between the two sides was now at a “dangerous stage” that could lead the country to falter in its commitment to give up nuclear weapons, KCNA said -- adding that North Korea still trusts President Donald Trump.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ation-timeline


    Still this veridct few weeks ago by RS seemed premature & bit pessimistic.

    How Donald Trump Got Played By a Ruthless Dictator


    North Korea's Kim Jong-un got everything he wanted. What did Trump get?
    SAUL LOEB/AFP/Getty Images


    https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...esults-w521438





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    08 Nov 2014
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    The president said he was "grateful" for the outcome and praised the work of the Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, in securing their release.
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    By Jamie Tarabay, CNN
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    Last week, the White House sent its deputy chief of staff and his advance team to the city state, the official said. "The North Koreans never showed up. The North Koreans didn't tell us anything. They simply stood us up."
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/25/polit...ntl/index.html


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    In the statement released hours after Pompeo departed Tokyo after meeting with Kim Yong Chol, a senior aide to North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, a North Korean Foreign Ministry spokesman accused the US is trying to unilaterally pressure Pyongyang into abandoning its nuclear weapons by insisting on unilateral complete, verifiable and irreversible denuclearisation (CVID), and said trust between countries is in a "dangerous stage", while adding that North Korea still trusts President Donald Trump.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...earization-may
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    In the statement released hours after Pompeo departed Tokyo after meeting with Kim Yong Chol, a senior aide to North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, a North Korean Foreign Ministry spokesman accused the US is trying to unilaterally pressure Pyongyang into abandoning its nuclear weapons by insisting on unilateral complete, verifiable and irreversible denuclearisation (CVID), and said trust between countries is in a "dangerous stage", while adding that North Korea still trusts President Donald Trump.
    In reality, they probably only trust Dennis Rodman.

    While there is no proof that they are using TV comedy show Office negotiation tactic #14 (massage opponent's ego before stabbing them) or they have read 'art of the dealer' but to be fair Trump also praised China's Prez has a 'great man' and 'a friend' just before he unleashed massive tariffs that have caused China's markets to fall by almost 30% so far.

    Do you think NK's is atacking Trump's Sec of State while massaging his ego to 'divide and conquer' or is implying that Sec of State Pompeo is a rogue agent acting against Trump's direction?

    Following similar 'gangster' like terms used by NK/China media were orchestrated or random coincidence?

    China's State Paper calls Trump administration 'gang of hoodlums'
    (in reality, Trump surrounds himself with the best people)

    North Korea Criticizes ‘Gangster-Like’ U.S. Attitude After Talks With Mike Pompeo

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/07/w...pyongyang.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    In reality, they probably only trust Dennis Rodman.

    While there is no proof that they are using TV comedy show Office negotiation tactic #14 (massage opponent's ego before stabbing them) or they have read 'art of the dealer' but to be fair Trump also praised China's Prez has a 'great man' and 'a friend' just before he unleashed massive tariffs that have caused China's markets to fall by almost 30% so far.

    Do you think NK's is atacking Trump's Sec of State while massaging his ego to 'divide and conquer' or is implying that Sec of State Pompeo is a rogue agent acting against Trump's direction?

    Following similar 'gangster' like terms used by NK/China media were orchestrated or random coincidence?

    China's State Paper calls Trump administration 'gang of hoodlums'
    (in reality, Trump surrounds himself with the best people)

    North Korea Criticizes ‘Gangster-Like’ U.S. Attitude After Talks With Mike Pompeo

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/07/w...pyongyang.html
    It is certainly possible that it is some kind of negotiation tactic but that would just show that they are still interested in negotiation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It is certainly possible that it is some kind of negotiation tactic but that would just show that they are still interested in negotiation.
    They have always been intrested in 'negotiations', not clear if they are interested in giving up their nukes.

    Obama 'grateful' for release of Bae and Miller by North Korea
    08 Nov 2014
    http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-...by-north-korea

    August 23, 2015





    Widely respected lib Dem Senator and rising star of child civil rights Bob Menendez on this topic:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed1_HLhkdQk

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    North Korean officials a no-show for meeting about U.S. troop remains

    by Adam Taylor July 12

    SEOUL — North Korean officials did not turn up to a Thursday meeting with the U.S. military about repatriating the remains of the war dead, according to a U.S. official with knowledge of the situation.
    The two sides had been expected to meet at the Korean Peninsula’s demilitarized zone and discuss the return of U.S. troop remains from the 1950-1953 war — an arrangement that the State Department had announced after Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s visit to Pyongyang last Friday and Saturday.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...772_story.html

  17. #15
    A very nice note from Chairman Kim of North Korea. Great progress being made! pic.twitter.com/6NI6AqL0xt
    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 12, 201
    Here's the full text:
    H.E. Donald J. Trump
    President
    United States of America
    Your Excellency Mr. President,
    The significant first meeting with Your Excellency and the joint statement that we signed together in Singapore 24 days ago was indeed the start of a meaningful journey.
    I deeply appreciate the energetic and extraordinary efforts made by Your Excellency Mr. President for the improvement of relations between the two countries and the faithful implementation of the joint statement.
    I firmly believe that the strong will, sincere efforts and unique approach of myself and Your Excellency Mr. President aimed at opening up a new future between the DPRK and the U.S. will surely come to fruition.
    Wishing that the invariable trust and confidence in Your Excellency Mr. President will be further strengthened in the future process of taking practical actions, I extend my conviction that the epochal progress in promoting the DPRK-U.S. relations will bring our next meeting forward.
    Kim Jong Un
    Chairman of the State Affairs Commission
    Democratic People's Republic of Korea
    Pyongyang, July 6, 2018
    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...-formal-letter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    A very nice note from Chairman Kim of North Korea. Great progress being made! pic.twitter.com/6NI6AqL0xt
    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 12, 201
    Here's the full text:
    H.E. Donald J. Trump
    President
    United States of America
    Your Excellency Mr. President,
    The significant first meeting with Your Excellency and the joint statement that we signed together in Singapore 24 days ago was indeed the start of a meaningful journey.
    I deeply appreciate the energetic and extraordinary efforts made by Your Excellency Mr. President for the improvement of relations between the two countries and the faithful implementation of the joint statement.
    I firmly believe that the strong will, sincere efforts and unique approach of myself and Your Excellency Mr. President aimed at opening up a new future between the DPRK and the U.S. will surely come to fruition.
    Wishing that the invariable trust and confidence in Your Excellency Mr. President will be further strengthened in the future process of taking practical actions, I extend my conviction that the epochal progress in promoting the DPRK-U.S. relations will bring our next meeting forward.
    Kim Jong Un
    Chairman of the State Affairs Commission
    Democratic People's Republic of Korea
    Pyongyang, July 6, 2018
    This letter does send any 'got played' vibes. And also shows that they have pretty strong trust level.



    In other news:

    US Blasts China, Russia Over Sneaky Oil Sales To North Korea; Urges UN Action


    Kim Jong-un Blew Off Mike Pompeo to Visit a Potato Farm

    By Adam K. Raymond
    Potato inspector. Photo: Uncredited/AP/REX/Shutterstock/Uncredited/AP/REX/Shutterstock

    When Secretary of State Mike Pompeo visited Pyongyang last weekend, he was supposed to have a one-on-one meeting with Kim Jong-un. But the North Korean leader never showed up during Pompeo’s three-day visit. His top deputy, who took the meeting in Kim’s absence, said his boss was out of town without revealing what was more important than a sit-down with the top U.S. diplomat.
    Turns out, potatoes were more important. On Tuesday, North Korean state media published several reports about Kim’s visit to a rural area near the Chinese border where he provided “field guidance” to potato farmers.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...tato-farm.html



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    A very nice note from Chairman Kim of North Korea. Great progress being made! pic.twitter.com/6NI6AqL0xt
    ó Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 12, 201
    Here's the full text:
    H.E. Donald J. Trump
    President
    United States of America
    Your Excellency Mr. President,
    The significant first meeting with Your Excellency and the joint statement that we signed together in Singapore 24 days ago was indeed the start of a meaningful journey.
    I deeply appreciate the energetic and extraordinary efforts made by Your Excellency Mr. President for the improvement of relations between the two countries and the faithful implementation of the joint statement.
    I firmly believe that the strong will, sincere efforts and unique approach of myself and Your Excellency Mr. President aimed at opening up a new future between the DPRK and the U.S. will surely come to fruition.
    Wishing that the invariable trust and confidence in Your Excellency Mr. President will be further strengthened in the future process of taking practical actions, I extend my conviction that the epochal progress in promoting the DPRK-U.S. relations will bring our next meeting forward.
    Kim Jong Un
    Chairman of the State Affairs Commission
    Democratic People's Republic of Korea
    Pyongyang, July 6, 2018
    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...-formal-letter
    Fwiw, Chinese and associated asian cultures are known to send messages like this without meaning any of it or having any intention to follow up on it. In negotiations they're very respectful and complimentary and all that but are always looking for an advantage, which may include buttering you up before they dick you over (if you let them). There are no emotions in negotiations.
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  21. #18
    The U.S. State Department confirmed July 13 that North Korean representatives failed to attend talks on the return of U.S. soldiers' remains but proposed the meeting be rescheduled to July 15 after the fact, Yonhap reported July 13.

    More at: https://worldview.stratfor.com/situa...ing-us-remains
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  22. #19
    Nuke the little $#@!ers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Nuke the little $#@!ers.
    I would open the border with South Korea first. Extreme vetting.

  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Nuke the little $#@!ers.
    Are you sure you want to cancel half of your routes Danke? In these international threads you are probably our most qualified to comment on what is fact and what is fiction about other countries and their conditions.
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  25. #22
    Could be a minor glitch:

    Trump Asks Pompeo to Cancel North Korea Trip, Pointing to Stalled Diplomacy

    WASHINGTON — President Trump on Friday abruptly called off a trip to North Korea by his secretary of state, citing a lack of progress in nuclear disarmament ...
    The New York Times
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