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    Italy has refused to allow a commercial vessel flying an Italian flag to bring ashore rescued migrants, sticking to a hardline policy on new arrivals as it presses European allies to share the burden of hosting an influx of displaced people. A commercial ship that supplies oil platforms off the coast of Libya pulled 66 migrants to safety on Monday, but it was told not to bring them to Italy, an Interior Ministry source said.
    Transport Minister Danilo Toninelli, who oversees the coast guard and the country’s ports, said the migrants had been transferred to an Italian coast guard vessel on Tuesday after some of them threatened the lives of the Italian crew.
    They will be brought to Italy, one source said, though the interior ministry source would not confirm.
    The commercial ship picked up the migrants though it had been told Libyan patrol boats were coming to retrieve them, the interior ministry source said.
    “The Libyan ports are more than safe and as minister I can guarantee you that the good times are over for the traffickers,” Salvini said during a visit to a camp for migrant fruit and vegetable pickers in the southern region of Calabria.
    The move comes two days before a meeting of European interior ministers in the Austrian city of Innsbruck, where German Interior Minister Horst Seehofer wants his far-right Italian counterpart Matteo Salvini to agree to take back migrants who arrive at its borders from Italy.
    “What is certain is that for Italy there is no plan to take back who has gone abroad. It’s the last thing that could happen,” Salvini said in an interview with Il Messaggero newspaper.
    “If the Germans and the Austrians are thinking only about sending migrants back to us, helping us close the external borders first would be a step forward,” he said.

    More at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKBN1K00YZ
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    Italy dug its heels in on Saturday after conservative Interior Minister Matteo Salvini refused to let 450 migrants aboard two military vessels dock at Italian ports, marking the country's latest stand against the large-scale influx of predominantly North African refugees.


    The migrants had originally set sail from Libya in a single wooden vessel which was identified early Friday as it passed through Maltese waters. After being denied safe harbor in Italy, they were transferred to the two separate vessels near the Italian island of Linosa - close to Malta, after which Salvini suggested they "head south, down to Libya or Malta." One of the two ships is operated by EU border agency Frontex, while the other belongs to Italy's tax police.
    In an exchange of messages, emails and phonecalls on Friday, Rome had tried to push Valetta to take responsibility for those on board the wooden boat.
    But Malta said the ship was much closer to the Italian island of Lampedusa, insisting that those on board only wanted to reach Italy.
    On Saturday morning, they were transferred to two military vessels but where the vessels will dock remains unclear. -France24
    +++Statement of Urgency+++

    During the night (13-7-18) #Malta and #Italy discussed who is responsible for a refugee boat with 450 people in immediate danger and distress.

    None of the supposedly 'responsible authorities' took action for hours. pic.twitter.com/CWWiRtAb2Z
    — Alarm Phone (@alarm_phone) July 14, 2018
    The new standoff began just hours after Italy allowed 67 migrants to disembark in Sicily from an Italian coast guard ship on Thursday.
    "We need an act of justice, of respect and of courage to fight against these human traffickers and generate a European intervention," said Salvini during talks with Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte.



    On Sunday, Germany, France and Malta agreed to take 50 migrants each, while Conte sent letters to the governments of the 27 other EU members encouraging them to share responsibility.
    European governments are negotiating once again the destination of 450 people stranded on a boat. Shared, predictable, effective disembarkation arrangements would save time, minimize suffering, and prevent politicians from competing on who takes the least responsibility. pic.twitter.com/hUrf0Z07h2
    — Filippo Grandi (@RefugeesChief) July 15, 2018
    "Germany and Italy have agreed that, in view of the ongoing talks on closer bilateral cooperation on asylum, Germany is ready to accept 50 people in this case," a German government spokeswoman said on Sunday.
    “This is the solidarity and responsibility that we have always asked of Europe and now, after the results obtained at the last European Council, they are beginning to become reality,” Mr Conte wrote in a Sunday afternoon Facebook post, adding "Let's continue on this path with firmness and respect for human rights," he added.
    Conte's comments were not well received by the Czech Republic, who refused his request as Andrej Babis, the prime minister, tweeted that the approach was the "road to hell" - adding that boats carrying migrants should be turned back, and that migrants should be helped within their own countries.
    Germany's agreement to take 50 migrants follows an announcement by Interior Minister Horst Seehofer that the Bavarian state police would begin granted authority to patrol the southern border with Austria as part of a new series of measures aimed at resisting migrant arrivals.
    Mr Seehofer said on Sunday that Bavarian police would be able to conduct checks at the Austrian border “at the request or with the consent of federal police,” after it was questioned whether it was legal for such power to be granted to them. -Telegraph
    Seehofer threatened to resign earlier this month if Chancellor Angela Merkel could not arrive at a European solution, or to let him implement tougher border security measures. The debate which threatened to tear apart Germany's coalition government, an agreement was reached on how to control the influx of migrants from the German-Austrian border.

    Italy's Conte, meanwhile, says that his country is willing to help the migrants as long as other EU members share the burden - while Salvini said that he will allow a few children and mothers to disembark in Sicily.
    "I am monitoring the situation of two ships travelling in Italian waters... there are 16 mothers and 11 children who will disembark in the next few minutes, hours...," Mr Salvini said in a statement to TV channel RaiNews24.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    I'm only posting so Swordsmith isn't the only one in this thread..
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    The EU is still facing major political divisions over the response of the bloc’s member countries to the mass influx of immigrants and asylum seekers, which kicked off in 2015.
    Austria does not plan on receiving any of the 450 migrants who have disembarked in Sicily, the country’s Chancellor Sebastian Kurz pointed out in his letter to Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte, according to the Austria Press Agency, which obtained a copy of the letter.
    In the letter, Kurz allegedly cited the fact that in terms of population, Austria has accepted more asylum applications than “many other EU countries” since 2015.


    The letter came after Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte had written to all EU members and urged them to accept some of the refugees who were rescued from a boat in the Mediterranean by two vessels from the EU’s Frontex coast guard and border patrol authorities.
    With Spain, Portugal, France, Germany and Malta each offering to take in 50 of the 450-strong group, Czech Prime Minister Andrej Babis rejected Conte’s request, warning that relocating the refugees may “lead down the road to hell.”

    More at: https://www.infowars.com/austria-ref...ding-in-italy/
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    Italy is a very significant factor in European politics and after a short break there is one again common ground for Rome and Budapest, Hungarian Ambassador to Italy Adam Zoltan Kovacs told Mandiner.
    According to Kovacs, the Hungarian government sees several positive signs: Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto met his Italian counterpart Enzo Moavero Milanesi and the State Secretary for Family, Katalin Novak also visited Family Minister Lorenzo Fontana in Rome recently. He said it’s clear that regarding the family, the two governments share the same values.
    Italian Minister of Interior Matteo Salvini and his party, Lega Nord has exactly the same opinion with the Hungarian government about illegal migration.
    “We can say that we have found an ally,” he stressed.
    According to the ambassador, the two countries have some different interests regarding migration but they agree on the main principles, such as external border control.

    https://www.infowars.com/italy-hunga...ration-crisis/
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    Around 25,000 people braved the rain in Munich on Sunday to protest the hardline immigration stance of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Bavarian allies three months before they face a tough state election in Bavaria.

    The protest is another sign of the Christian Social Union’s (CSU) waning popularity after an Infratest poll published last week put its support in Bavaria at 38 percent, compared with the 47.7 percent it secured in a 2013 regional election.
    March organisers said in a statement they were demonstrating against the “irresponsible divisive politics” of top members of the CSU which governs Bavaria and is the sister party to Merkel’s Christian Democrats (CDU).
    They mentioned CSU leader and interior minister Horst Seehofer and CSU Bavarian state premier Markus Soeder and said they were taking a stand against a “politics of fear” and a societal shift to the right.
    Seehofer’s immigration stance nearly brought down Merkel’s government earlier this month in a dispute over migration.
    By staking out a hard line, Seehofer is trying to bolster his party in the vote, in which the CSU faces a stiff challenge from the far-right.
    Seehofer last week deflected blame for the suicide of an Afghan man among a group deported to Kabul, after opponents called for his resignation for boasting that the deportations took place on his birthday.
    “I want to speak out against the inhuman statements that have recently come to light from leading CSU politicians,” said Axel Weingaertner, one of the demonstrators. “It’s unacceptable.”
    Numerous groups, including the Social Democrats (SPD) - junior partner to the conservatives in the federal governing coalition - the Greens, the radical Left, civil society organisations, church groups and groups of volunteers who work with refugees, had urged people to join the demonstration.
    Police estimated the number who took part.
    The CSU said on Twitter the protest was “political agitation” and added: “The people in Bavaria know what they have in the CSU.”
    The Infratest dimap poll showed support for the anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany (AfD) in the prosperous southern state at 12 percent. The AfD, which has seen its popularity soar due an influx of 1.6 million migrants since mid-2014 - is expected to enter the state parliament there for the first time in October.

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eu...-idUKKBN1KC0Q6
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  11. #39
    Support for German Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservative bloc, trying to move beyond a bitter dispute over migrant policy that threatened the coalition, has fallen to its lowest level since 2006, a poll showed on Sunday.The Emnid poll published in Bild am Sonntag showed Merkel's Christian Democrats and their sister party, Bavaria's Christian Social Union (CSU), down one percentage point at 29 percent. That compares with 33 percent in the September election.

    The CSU faces a tough regional election in October with polls showing it could lose its absolute majority in Bavaria.

    The Social Democrats (SPD), who share power with the conservatives in Merkel's coalition, failed to capitalize on those losses, also falling one point to 18 percent.

    The far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) was unchanged at 15 percent while the Greens rose 2 points to 14 percent, their best showing this year, according to Bild am Sonntag.

    More at: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/ar...in-german-poll
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