De-nuke agreement
De-nuke by military intervention
No talks - back to square 1
No De-nuke - more sanctions
No De-nuke - regime change
No De-nuke - WWIII
Partial nuke agreement
Because progress towards peace in the Korean Peninsula would be the meeting never happening?Originally Posted by TheCount
“The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell
Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump
Strawman much? signing a paper agreeing to meet again is still not a deal. If its actually what happened then he is right. I personally think progress will only come once the Trump administration agree to make a serious concession to the NK. Which I doubt will happen with people like Bolton and Pompeo in his team.
Thank you for your always informative addition to the discussion.
You don't sound like Zippy at all.
Some people say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Dunno about that, what do you think?You don't sound like Zippy at all.
I think your gears might be out of order. Did you think about having them checked?
Gear is euphemism for what?
You are too much for me, you win. I take the big capital L for feeding the troll.
Progress is great. I think that it's fantastic that the summit happened.
It's not mission accomplished banner material.
Lots of talk and pats on the back and maybe it will lead to improvements. Hopefully it will. However, the only actual change/ concession is that Trump agreed to not have any military exercises in the area (this was not in the paper they signed but done unilaterally by Trump afterwards). The "agreement" is a vague list of non-binding goals. Kim gets to declare victory for round one.
Will this be a Nixon in China moment? Kim does seem to be interested in improving his country and opening it up a bit. Is he ready go get rid of all his nuclear weapons which led to the meeting with Trump and offers security and prestige? I doubt he will go that far.
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 06-12-2018 at 11:09 AM.
I am ready for north korea to surrender the war of northern aggression . I will pick up some beer and celebrate.
Do something Danke
Well, I have to say that this is huge if they actually go through with it. Lets hope everyone behaves before someone decides to renege on this one agreement
Who cares. Nobody cares, really, if Korea has or doesn't have nukes. The important thing is the Korean War is at last officially coming to an end, whatever shady business the Ruling Elite -- CIA, FBI, and invisible puppet-masters higher up -- may or may not have had going on in NK (the whole situation this past 25 years is goofy and suspicious) is coming to an end, and this is a huge WIN for TRUMP.
Trump having this HUGE WIN -- and it is a HUGE WIN -- is good, because this will free him up a ton on foreign policy, give him a lot more power, a lot more ability to do what he wants to do and still keep control of the narrative. This is good because it's clear -- at least it's clear to me -- that Trump, in his heart, is a non-interventionist and wants to be a non-interventionist. There are certain..."forces" in this world who are deranged and snarling for eternal, infinite, self-destructive war, and they have been doing everything they can to prevent this from coming about.
This will weaken them.
Hopefully, that will clear the way.
Come back, Campaign Trump! Fire Retard Bolton! Bring the Troops Home!
Trump wants to be the economic president and yes, would much rather end or diffuse conflict and replace it with trade.
I think he dreams day and night about bringing prosperity to America. That's how he wins 2020.
Hopefully the war machine will not be part of the equation.
- Don't lie.
- Don't cheat.
- Don't steal.
- Don't kill.
- Don't commit adultery.
- Don't covet what your neighbor has, especially his wife.
- Honor your father and mother.
- Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.
- Don’t use your Higher Power's name in vain, or anyone else's.
- Do unto others as you would have them do to you.
"For the love of money is the root of all evil..." -- I Timothy 6:10, KJV
+rep
Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows
To those pointing out this isn't a final deal I would like to ask why they thought Trump would waste this win without stretching it out to affect the midterms or even 2020?
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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Everything will work out great. Democrats will credit Rodman, China, South Korea, Russia, Hillary and Obama.
Trump credits Otto Warmbier.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politic...o-commitments/Otto Warmbier is a very special person and he will be for a long time in my life. His parents are good friends of mine. I think without Otto, this would not have happened. Something happened from that day. It was a terrible thing. It was brutal. But a lot of people started to focus on what was going on, including North Korea. I really think that Otto is someone who did not die in vain. I told this to his parents. A special young man and I have to say, special parents, special people. Otto did not die in vain. He had a lot to do with us being here today.
But if things don't work out,
“I may be wrong, I mean I may stand before you in six months and say, ‘Hey I was wrong.’ I don’t know that I’ll ever admit that, but I’ll find some kind of an excuse.”
They stripped out the part that really stuck out with me.
“Honestly, I think he’s going to do these things."The real problem with this is the absurd mental hoops you have to take to go with the media narrative on this. The narrative is that Trump was tired and therefore being honest- plus he said he was being honest. This is all political theater, we won't find out what really goes on until shots are fired.“I may be wrong, I mean I may stand before you in six months and say, ‘Hey I was wrong.’ I don’t know that I’ll ever admit that, but I’ll find some kind of an excuse.”
I really think that Trump's comments on Kim taking over the NK regime at a young age is a back handed compliment because he inherited all of his power, and Trump doesn't seem like he is really that all optimistic about it all as far as his body language goes, but I could be wrong but he has no conviction when he speaks, his tone seems pessimistic even when he is talking about peace.
Kim on the other hand seems like he is having his cake and eating it too, not on the literal sense but in the egotistical sense he acts like he is a true psychopath, maybe thats why Trump seemed so morbid and pessimistic in tone.
Good point. For max political gain, these types of events need to happen sometime in October during election years.
This is getting silly.T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me
That's a good point. What if Kim Jung was such a psycho that Trump is like, "Holy $#@!. I had no idea..."
The dood hangs out with Dennis "Freakshow" Rodman, after all.
- Don't lie.
- Don't cheat.
- Don't steal.
- Don't kill.
- Don't commit adultery.
- Don't covet what your neighbor has, especially his wife.
- Honor your father and mother.
- Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.
- Don’t use your Higher Power's name in vain, or anyone else's.
- Do unto others as you would have them do to you.
"For the love of money is the root of all evil..." -- I Timothy 6:10, KJV
Anyone remember when people used to say Trump is NOT a politician. Well, it seems like either the man has always been a politician or he is a quick learner and is not acting like any regular politician. I never believed that talking point any way, the man is more of a politician than many of the people in Washington and sadly its one of the things you need when your policies are shyte to survive in DC
Trump is and always was a politician, he just wasn't an office holder until now.
He is also the best POTUS since Coolidge.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Max monetary gain always has a priority over political gain, they can buy political gain, they are going to get every penny they can out of this war before it ends. Even if there was a deal they wouldn't bring the troops home.
Trump is just a cannibalistic politician and we get more entertained when they eat their own.
He is a salesman. And Donald Trump is his #1 client and product.
Politicians are salesmen who are their own #1 client and product.
Trump has always been more of a politician than that since he had to deal with zoning etc. and made heavy use of eminent domain. (eminent domain is one of the main reasons I didn't trust him when he ran for POTUS)
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
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