View Poll Results: What will be the outcome of the US-NK talks

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  • De-nuke agreement

    11 57.89%
  • De-nuke by military intervention

    0 0%
  • No talks - back to square 1

    0 0%
  • No De-nuke - more sanctions

    1 5.26%
  • No De-nuke - regime change

    0 0%
  • No De-nuke - WWIII

    0 0%
  • Partial nuke agreement

    7 36.84%
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Thread: What will be the outcome of the US-NK talks

  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    See... it can be done!
    N.K might be close to
    wanting Unity. SK is
    not a fan of nuclear war.
    If DJT and Kim get a nod
    for a joint Nobel Peace Prize,
    they need to share it with
    DENNIS RODMAN!!!!!
    Don't forget the CIA SOS and John Bolton.. we wouldn't have peace without them. Nobel peace prizes for all the peace makers. Trump promised Rand there wouldn't be any more new wars atleast.

    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo played a crucial role in its success and President Trump’s preparation. He activated the proper resources in the State Department for the occasion and regularly worked with White House national security adviser John Bolton to brief President Trump with the best intelligence. In addition, he ensured the logistics of the summit would go smoothly.



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  3. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It will be much more difficult to unify than Germany was. The differences- politically, socially, and economically- are huge.
    One of those rare occasions I'm gonna agree with the zipster.

    You'd have to have really, really high hopes for reunification to happen. This isn't like East/West Germany. East Germany was under the control of a foreign power, a rather abusive and controlling one at that. When it came time to reunify no one had to tell the Germans to get ready. They were ready from the start.

    I think North Korea is a bit different. It's internal. The Korean War was essentially a civil war, with outsiders poking their noses into it, and civil wars are seldom settled without one side being a clear victor. All of North Korea's former communist allies have dabbled in capitalism and free enterprise, and while China has North Korea's back in a fight if one breaks out, I don't think even the Chinese subscribe to the same economic philosophy that they once influenced North Korea to adopt. North Korea is truly the last to change, if it changes. No outside entity is forcing them to subscribe to communism. They're doing it themselves.

    Now, if North Korea goes capitalist (or at least, some Chinese version of limited capitalism), it makes the process easier. I don't think that the South Koreans will go for communism. So as it stands there's a huge elephant in the room. Who governs over two diametrically opposite systems? Kim Jun Un will say it is him. The South Koreans will probably not go for that.
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 06-13-2018 at 06:13 AM.

  4. #93
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/reuniti...ns-investment/

    Reuniting North Korea and South Korea could cost trillions of dollars

    President Donald Trump's historic summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in Singapore on Tuesday, following on the heels of the two Korean leaders meeting a little over two months ago, has raised the question of whether North Korea and South Korea would ever reunite.

    Analysts say unifying North and South Korea could cost a trillion dollars under the best of circumstances and take several decades. The final price tag would also depend largely on what the catalyst for reunification is.

    Some analyses put the cost of reunification at far more -- closer to $3 trillion. Experts argue that much of the cost surrounding any scenario for Korean unification would depend on whether the countries decided to converge gradually or if a chaotic event occurs. If the reform were carefully planned and followed by a peaceful union, it would be far less expensive than if North Korea's economy collapsed or a war broke out, requiring massive reconstruction costs.

    South Korea's annual economic output is around $2 trillion -- that's 50 times North Korea's estimated $40 billion. South Korea, with about 50 million people, constitutes the world's fifth-largest export economy. The country is a powerhouse in advanced manufacturing sectors like automobiles and mobile phones -- think Hyundai and Samsung. On the other hand, North Korea, with around 25 million people, is one of the world's most closed economies with a state-planned, mainly agriculture-based system that has limped along for years, decimated by sanctions aimed at stopping the regime's nuclear ambitions and human rights violations. Decades of spending on defense at the expense of investments in infrastructure and other industries has also harmed growth. China accounts for 90 percent of its total trade volume.

    North Korea has a strategic advantage for attracting capital -- its location. President Trump nodded to the country's potential for future economic opening in a press conference after his meeting with Kim Jong Un, citing North Korea's coastline as a way to attract real estate development. "As an example, they have great beaches. You see that whenever they're exploding their cannons into the ocean, right?," Trump said during the the briefing with reporters. "I said, 'Boy, look at that place, wouldn't that make a great condo?' And I explained it, I said, 'Instead of doing that, you could have the best hotels in the world right there.'"

    "Think of it from a real estate perspective. You have South Korea. You have China and they own the land in the middle. How bad is that, right? It's great. But I told him, I said, 'you may not want to do what's there. You may want to do a smaller version of it and that could be,'" Trump added.

    Sitting smack dab between major economies South Korea and China could make North Korea a desirable place for new roads and rails to facilitate trade, and even private real estate investment if the country opens itself to foreign investors and pursues more market-oriented policies. Betting on a boon if relations with its neighbors improve, Chinese property speculators are already buying up real estate along the North Korean border and driving up prices, Reuters reported last month.

    Another positive for North Korea -- its young people. The median age of a North Korean is 34, versus about 42 for a South Korean. For an economy like South Korea, which will need to offset the costs of an aging society, an influx of young workers looking to transform their lives if unification comes to pass is an advantage. That said, many of these potential workers have been cut off from modern society by a brutal police state; they would need the education and training to function in an advanced economy.

    Didn't Germany do this successfully a couple of decades ago? Yes, but consider that East Germany was in much better shape to rejoin a market economy than North Korea. "The GDP per capita is $33,200 in South Korea and $1,800 in the North," William Parker, COO of the EastWest Institute, told CBS MoneyWatch. "If you compare those numbers to West and East Germany, it's a completely different ballgame -- the [per capita GDP] ratio there was estimated between 7 or 10 to 1 as opposed to 40 to 1 in the case of South and North Korea."
    Donald Trump: 'What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening'

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  5. #94
    Folks, Donald John Trump has his two grown sons running his business empire, for good or ill.

    North Korea in summer has warm & inviting beaches, and our young Mister Kim is slightly bored

    with the Soviet look his grandfather and father liked. If 'first dibs' are going to both young Trumps!

  6. #95
    If you were a large & wealthy Las Vegas "whale"
    who has gotten tired of being landlocked... are
    you open to seeing casinos like Atlantic City in NK?

  7. #96



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  10. #98
    The poll did not have "gambling casinos" or
    "more gambling casinos" as options for us all...

  11. #99
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...step-for-Trump

    It's sounding like real progress is being made on this whole thing... waiting for something or someone to put a wrench in the works tho. There are those in power that don't want this deal to work... hoping for the best.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

  12. #100

  13. #101
    Kim Jong Un Arrives in China to Brief President Xi Following U.S. Summit in Singapore

    OAN Newsroom
    UPDATED 6:23 AM PT — Tues. June 19, 2018


    North Korea’s leader Kim Jong Un is expected to brief Chinese officials on last week’s summit in Singapore.
    A motorcade was spotted leaving the Beijing airport early Tuesday, with Kim believed to be inside.
    Chinese state media confirmed he’s expected to meet with Chinese President Xi Jingping during his two-day visit. However, reports say Kim could also be seeking China’s help in gaining relief from U.S. sanctions.

    Residents of South Korea have since come out in support of the meeting.
    “The governments of South Korea and China share the same strategic goal of completely denuclearizing the Korean peninsula,” stated Noh Kyu-Duk, Foreign Ministry spokesman for South Korea. “Also, our government hopes China will play a constructive role in resolving this problem — we hope Chairman Kim Jong Un’s visit will contribute to that.”
    This is the third meeting between Xi and Kim since March as North Korea continues to seek global recognition.
    http://www.oann.com/kim-jong-un-arri...on-u-s-summit/

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  14. #102

    U.S. intelligence believes North Korea making more nuclear bomb fuel despite talks

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. intelligence agencies believe North Korea has increased production of fuel for nuclear weapons at multiple secret sites in recent months and may try to hide these while seeking concessions in nuclear talks with the United States, NBC News quoted U.S. officials as saying.

    In a report on Friday, the network said what it described as the latest U.S. intelligence assessment appeared to go counter to sentiments expressed by President Donald Trump, who tweeted after an unprecedented June 12 summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un that “there is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea.”

    NBC quoted five unidentified U.S. officials as saying that in recent months North Korea had stepped up production of enriched uranium for nuclear weapons, even as it engaged in diplomacy with the United States.


    more... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-n...-idUSKBN1JQ03O

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  15. #103
    But they signed agreements with Bill Clinton and George W. Bush promising to end their nuclear programs!
    Donald Trump: 'What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening'

    "Truth isn't truth"- Rudy Giuliani

    "China has total respect for Donald Trump and for Donald Trump's very, very large brain," - Donald Trump.

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  16. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by shakey1 View Post
    Do you trust U.S. intelligence any more than N. Korea?
    I don't.

    I'll wait and see what happens.
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