Does leftism, progressivism, lead to suicide?

[timosman]

Let's consider this:

There is an inverse ratio of violent crime and suicide, when you compare rural and urban areas.

Clearly rural and sparsely populated areas are prone to higher suicide rates, while urban and densely populated areas are prone to higher rates of violent crime.

Leaving the ethnic angle out of it (whites mostly populate rural areas and are more prone to suicide while blacks mostly populate urban areas and are less prone to suicide), could it be that people in urban environments end up "tougher" simply due to the fact that even the most simple of daily chores are constant battle for space, time and money?

Then you'd have to question why so many countries in rural Africa have much higher suicide rates than the US.

Are you trying to overload Zippy?

[Swordsmyth]

No, in fact just the opposite seems to be the case.

I'd like to figure out why.

The city dwellers are driving ruralites over the edge with their plundering and perversion.

[Swordsmyth]

Romans 1:22

“Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,”

King James Version (KJV)

[Anti Federalist]

This is a weak argument.

Roughly 85 percent of all counties were won by Trump.

So it would stand to reason there would be significant overlap.

[Anti Federalist]

Are you trying to overload Zippy?

[timosman]

The city dwellers are driving ruralites over the edge with their plundering and perversion.

Even you know it's a stretch.

[heavenlyboy34]

Romans 1:22

“Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,”

King James Version (KJV)

I love it when your attempts to be clever fail like this. (please see the context of that passage)

[Swordsmyth]

I love it when your attempts to be clever fail like this. (please see the context of that passage)

It was a joke.

The context has nothing to do with respecting your flag and the country for which it stands however.

Your bald assertion that conservatives are engaged in worship is not worth debating.

[Krugminator2]

https://www.newscientist.com/article...suicide-rates/

Here is also a fact. Every single Scandanavian country has a higher suicide rate that the United States. The suicide rates in the Scandavian countries were multiples higher than the US in the 70s when those governments were at the their most left wing.

Perhaps they aren't inclusive enough.

[timosman]

[VIDEODROME]

Here is also a fact. Every single Scandanavian country has a higher suicide rate that the United States. The suicide rates in the Scandavian countries were multiples higher than the US in the 70s when those governments were at the their most left wing.

Perhaps they aren't inclusive enough.

I wonder if it's the bleak climate or having less sun creating a strong Seasonal Affective Disorder.

For a while, I lived in Michigan's Upper Peninsula and was glad to get out of there. I feel like some people up there have issues mostly with alcoholism and some suicides. Their terrible job market doesn't help .

[VIDEODROME]

Looking over the "celebrity suicides" since 2000, there might be something to that.

I would also like to see how many were taking, or had been taking, prescription drugs that have suicidal thoughts listed as a side effect.

I don't think a significant number of the people in that list were necessarily active Liberal / Progressives. Many seem like people with illness like Depression, Chronic Pain, or give up in the face of Cancer.

Hunter S. Thompson sounds like he was Libertarian and just fed up with his chronic pain so he shot himself.

Tony Scott jumped from a bridge instead of waiting out a battle with Cancer.

Robin Williams had a strange neurological disorder that sounded like a combination of Depression and Pain.

Jack Wishna was just a Las Vegas entertainment business man. Maybe conservative working with the likes of Trump?

Richard "Dick" Trickle was a race car driver with chronic pain. The racing world doesn't strike me as a hub for Liberalism but I dunno. He called 911 before shooting himself.

Aaron Swartz was a computer programmer and was a Liberal activist. His suicide may have been his response to being convicted by overzealous prosecution for a 'Hacking' event at MIT.

Thomas A. Schweich was a Republican and seemed to be a victim of the GoP working against him to push him out during an election.

Michael James Marin was a millionaire businessman and Mormon who's career included work with Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch. Seems unlikely a Liberal. He was convicted in a bizarre arson scheme after setting his own house on fire. When he realized he was was basically being lead to prison, he gulped down a lethal dose of cyanide.

Spaulding Gray was an actor and writer(Maybe Liberal?). Depression from chronic pain and some disfigurement after a car crash.

Chris Cornell of Soundgarden was a Liberal and Obama supporter. He had issues with addiction including OxyContin. His suicide may have been related to a casual decision to take an extra Ativan and he was later found to have hung himself.

Finn Michael Westby Caspersen Sr. was an American financier and philanthropist and Republican supporter. Basically felt he was losing a battle with Kidney Cancer. Left a note stating that he "was tired, diminished and in constant pain, and that he did not want to be a burden to his loving family". It was also learned after his death he was being investigated for Tax Fraud.




These are just a few random clicks from that list. Many others are suicide terrorists or a few criminals on the verge of getting captured who killed themselves. Others were victims of past mistreatment like child abuse.

[Krugminator2]

I wonder if it's the bleak climate or having less sun creating a strong Seasonal Affective Disorder.

For a while, I lived in Michigan's Upper Peninsula and was glad to get out of there. I feel like some people up there have issues mostly with alcoholism and some suicides. Their terrible job market doesn't help .

That's interesting. There isn't really much up there outside of the 3 or 4 cities there. I grew up and went to high school just south of the bridge.

[Henry Rogue]

That^^ This is true of the statist "Right", as well. Look how they get all offended when you don't respect their Sacred symbols and such-teh flag, teh anthem, teh troops, teh Founding Fathers, teh Constitution, etc.

Truth. Conservative Socialist are as much Statist, as Progressive Socialist are.

[Anti Federalist]

You won't get an argument from me on that, I'm not at all convinced that is a primary cause or tendency.

I don't think a significant number of the people in that list were necessarily active Liberal / Progressives. Many seem like people with illness like Depression, Chronic Pain, or give up in the face of Cancer.

Hunter S. Thompson sounds like he was Libertarian and just fed up with his chronic pain so he shot himself.

Tony Scott jumped from a bridge instead of waiting out a battle with Cancer.

Robin Williams had a strange neurological disorder that sounded like a combination of Depression and Pain.

Jack Wishna was just a Las Vegas entertainment business man. Maybe conservative working with the likes of Trump?

Richard "Dick" Trickle was a race car driver with chronic pain. The racing world doesn't strike me as a hub for Liberalism but I dunno. He called 911 before shooting himself.

Aaron Swartz was a computer programmer and was a Liberal activist. His suicide may have been his response to being convicted by overzealous prosecution for a 'Hacking' event at MIT.

Thomas A. Schweich was a Republican and seemed to be a victim of the GoP working against him to push him out during an election.

Michael James Marin was a millionaire businessman and Mormon who's career included work with Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch. Seems unlikely a Liberal. He was convicted in a bizarre arson scheme after setting his own house on fire. When he realized he was was basically being lead to prison, he gulped down a lethal dose of cyanide.

Spaulding Gray was an actor and writer(Maybe Liberal?). Depression from chronic pain and some disfigurement after a car crash.

Chris Cornell of Soundgarden was a Liberal and Obama supporter. He had issues with addiction including OxyContin. His suicide may have been related to a casual decision to take an extra Ativan and he was later found to have hung himself.

Finn Michael Westby Caspersen Sr. was an American financier and philanthropist and Republican supporter. Basically felt he was losing a battle with Kidney Cancer. Left a note stating that he "was tired, diminished and in constant pain, and that he did not want to be a burden to his loving family". It was also learned after his death he was being investigated for Tax Fraud.




These are just a few random clicks from that list. Many others are suicide terrorists or a few criminals on the verge of getting captured who killed themselves. Others were victims of past mistreatment like child abuse.

[ProBlue33]

They have a god and religion, it is the state.

Well no wonder they are committing suicide then, they were unable to cope with losing their "precious" state from Obama/Hillary to Trump.

[Swordsmyth]

I think that problem is emptiness. There is an emptiness at the core of our culture, and from this root the suicide epidemic grows. We have fled from God, from meaning, from purpose, and embraced a soft kind of nihilism; a nihilism that will not call itself nihilism. It uses other words and slogans to describe itself. "You only live once," it says. "Live your truth." People are told that there is only one life, one reality, and it has no meaning aside from what you assign to it. But what happens when you no longer see meaning? Well, our culture says, if you do not see it then it is not there.


Those who seek happiness by following the well-worn paths will inevitably fall into this pit. If you do what everyone else is doing, and live how they live, and walk in their footsteps, you will end up in the same darkness. You will begin to feel that there is no hope and no point and no real beauty or joy to be found in life. And this is the state in which so many of us are living. A great, great many people in America are wallowing in this nihilistic despair and living hollow lives devoid of substance. They struggle and flail and reach out for help, but so often the hand that grabs hold of them will only drag them deeper into the pit.



We have seen this process play out this week. It's the same thing that happens every time a famous person commits suicide. We set out immediately to almost defend the act, and to ensure that nobody says anything negative about it. We insist that suicide is nothing but the result of a "mental illness." A depressed person dies of suicide in the same way that a person may die of breast cancer. We deliver tearful, admiring eulogies to the deceased celebrity and express our hope that they have "found peace."

And what good does any of this do? How are we helping a suicidal person by explicitly suggesting that suicide is a means to peace? How are we helping him by telling him that he has no choice, that his depression may just up and kill him one day, totally against his will? What service do we provide by telling him that he has no power, no alternative, no free will? And then we are shocked when the next person does it. And the next. And the next. And each time we react the same way, saying the same things, and we think that we are helping as long as we also pass out the suicide prevention hotline.


It is good to give out the suicide prevention hotline (1-800-273-8255). It is good to encourage people to get help, talk to someone, reach out. We get that part right. But we go dangerously off course with everything else. And the crisis only worsens because we refuse to trace it all the way down to its roots. We stop at the brain, at chemical reactions and psychological disorders, but we never pause to ask why all of our brains have apparently gone haywire in modern times. If this is all just a matter of mental disorders, why in the hell are these "mental disorders" so common now?



I think it is because the disorder is not purely psychological. It goes beyond our brains and into our souls, into the emptiness. What everyone really craves deep in their bones is truth and meaning. Not meaning they arbitrarily assign, but meaning that is objective and inherent and beyond our ability to remove or change. But our culture tells us that nothing of the sort exists — there is only this physical world, and our egos, and whatever we decide to make of it all. And if we make nothing of it, and find nothing in it, then life is nothing and there is no reason to carry on living anymore.


If someone is feeling this way, yes, it is good to give them the numbers to call, and to tell them that they are not alone and people care for them, and to encourage them to talk to someone. I echo all of those exhortations. But it's not enough, in itself. People need more than that. They need more than therapy and phone numbers. They even need more than the knowledge that other people love them. They need meaning. They need hope. They need there to be a point to all of this, a reason.



Well, praise God because there is a reason, there is a point, there is a meaning. God is our foundation, our truth, our purpose, and the substance of our lives. We are not mere accidents. We are not clumps of dust that grew randomly from the Earth and somehow developed consciousness and a moral code and the capacity for love. That doesn't make sense, and we all know it doesn't make sense, and we will literally kill ourselves trying to make sense of it.


There is a transcendent, spiritual character to humanity, and we all innately recognize it. We find despair when we reject it and try to separate ourselves from it and from ourselves. Hope is found the other way, in the opposite direction. Hope is found when we embrace who we are, as children of God, and we keep our eyes and hearts focused on eternity, on home. God wants us there with Him. But not yet. There is still more to be done, more life to be lived, and we can live it in joy, knowing that there is a meaning and a point to all of this.

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[Schifference]

No. If it did there would be no need for this question.