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    Thumbs up Rand Holds Hearing on Effects of Unauthorized War

    From a press release:








    Dr. Rand Paul Holds Hearing on Effects of Unauthorized War


    WASHINGTON, D.C. – This afternoon, U.S. Senator Rand Paul, chairman of the Federal Spending Oversight and Emergency Management (FSO) Subcommittee for the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee (HSGAC), held a hearing entitled, “War Powers and the Effects of Unauthorized Military Engagements on Federal Spending.”

    Today’s hearing focused on the constitutional implications of open-ended war under both the existing Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) and the revised AUMF proposed by Senators Bob Corker (R-TN) and Tim Kaine (D-VA).

    The FSO subcommittee heard testimony from Judge Andrew Napolitano, Senior Judicial Analyst at the Fox News Channel; Professor Jonathan Turley from The George Washington University School of Law; and Christopher Anders, Deputy Director of the ACLU’s Washington Legislative Office.

    In addition to FSO subcommittee members, Dr. Paul opened the hearing to other senators, with Senators Mike Lee (R-UT), Bernie Sanders (I-VT), Tom Udall (D-NM), and Jeff Merkley (D-OR) asking questions of the witnesses.

    “[I]t is the job of Congress to declare or initiate war, and Congress has been negligent for over a decade now. Congress has not done its job. Congress has let president after president strip the war power from Congress and concentrate that power in the Executive,” Dr. Paul said in his opening statement.

    Regarding what the situation would look like under the Corker-Kaine AUMF, Judge Andrew Napolitano testified, “So a president with one-third plus one in either house can wage war on any target at any time the president chooses to do so. That is so contrary to what Madison intended, so contrary to the plain meaning of the Constitution, so violative of the separation of powers as to be a rejection of the oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution, and none of you wants to reject that oath.”

    You can watch Dr. Paul’s opening statement HERE and the full hearing HERE.




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    Thank you, Dr. Paul.
    "There are two freedoms - the false, where a man is free to do what he likes; the true, where he is free to do what he ought."~~Charles Kingsley

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    Well...it isn't good...

    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
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    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Probably won't move the needle on any real opposition to AUMF, but I am glad to see the effort. At least someone in Congress actually cares about the issue.
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    Well it's about time someone at least mentioned it in an official capacity... not that it will change anything, thanks to stoopid Americans who don't care enough to see it come to an end.

    Humans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    At least someone in Congress actually cares about the issue.
    0.5% isn't very encouraging. Until Americans get good and pissed - enough to threaten physical death to those in office - Congress will continue as it pleases. What possible motive would they have to change the status quo, unless there is some very unpleasant consequence attached to refusing to do the right things... like being killed by a very angry mob? Since Americans are so pussified, Theye seem to have little over which to become concerned.
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    Wake Up, America.
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    A message to KJU - this man is unaccountable, sorry.

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    Based on Merkley's and Udall's questions, seems like the 'compromise' will be to shove in some sunset provision that will be revisited at some future time, well after the damage has been accomplished. You can blow up a lot of people in 3 or 4 years (or imprison a lot of Americans...that NDAA amendment mentioned is scary) and many in Congress that vote for it today wouldn't be in office to take responsibility for their support when the revisit comes up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Based on Merkley's and Udall's questions, seems like the 'compromise' will be to shove in some sunset provision that will be revisited at some future time, well after the damage has been accomplished. You can blow up a lot of people in 3 or 4 years (or imprison a lot of Americans...that NDAA amendment mentioned is scary) and many in Congress that vote for it today wouldn't be in office to take responsibility for their support when the revisit comes up.
    I agree but Rand will have accomplished something just to get a sunset provision, the Clinton AW ban died that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I agree but Rand will have accomplished something just to get a sunset provision, the Clinton AW ban died that way.
    Yay, a 100% unconstitutional bill with a sunset provision! Oh wait, it is still a 100% unconstitutional bill. Putting a limit on the length of time that the Constitution can be violated is not an improvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Yay, a 100% unconstitutional bill with a sunset provision! Oh wait, it is still a 100% unconstitutional bill. Putting a limit on the length of time that the Constitution can be violated is not an improvement.
    I said I agreed with you but would you rather it be enacted permanently?
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I said I agreed with you but would you rather it be enacted permanently?
    What difference does it make?
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

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    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    What difference does it make?
    I'd rather stop it completely but if it passes I'd rather end it than leave it in place, we have a better chance of seeing it end with a sunset provision.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I'd rather stop it completely but if it passes I'd rather end it than leave it in place, we have a better chance of seeing it end with a sunset provision.
    And that is how freedom is chipped away piece by piece.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    And that is how freedom is chipped away piece by piece.
    Which is better than losing it in large chunks, if you know how to stop it completely please contact Rand.
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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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