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    Bodycam footage shows Jersey Shore beachgoer beatdown

    Bodycam footage shows Jersey Shore beachgoer beatdown
    By Max Jaeger

    New Jersey police released bodycam footage showing the moments before an officer pummeled a young woman during an off-the-rails arrest at a Wildwood beach — an incident that went viral after cellphone footage of the beatdown circulated on social media.

    The 9-minute clip shows cops administer a Breathalyzer to 20-year-old Emily Weinman and another girl as they question the underage women about booze found near their beach blankets.

    Weinman appears to pass the test but then becomes hostile and refuses to give her last name when asked.

    “You’re mad because you thought we were drinking,” she says, according to video.

    “OK, that’s it — I’m done with you,” the officer eventually says, asking his partner if he has any handcuffs on him.

    Then Weinman begins to back away, shouting, “Don’t touch me.”

    “You’re about to get dropped,” the frustrated officer can be heard saying moments later.

    As he gets closer, Weinman shoves the officer, her hands temporarily blocking the bodycam.

    When a clear picture emerges again moments later, the officer appears to be wrestling her to the ground by her ponytail, footage shows.

    “You’re choking me. I can’t breathe,” Weinman shouts.

    The scuffle continues and then the cop can be heard saying “That’s it” as he rears back and begins punching her.
    ...
    The officers were put on administrative duty while officials investigate the incident.
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    More: https://nypost.com/2018/05/30/body-c...goer-beatdown/
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    He only hit her twice?
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    LISTEN: ASSAULTED BEACH GIRL’S LAWYER ON THE SAVAGE NATION

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    He only hit her twice?
    More importantly, did he call her a name?
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    That will teach people not to go to the beach.

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    This beatdown moment was provided by a couple of VOLUNTEER police officers. These people wear a special patch on their costume that looks something like this:


    Nope, sorry. That is close, but it's more like this one:



    Now that we've cleared up how to ID these scum, a warning. These are the most dangerous of all NJ police. Many of them want to become cops someday, but some hold other full time employment already. They have full qualified immunity, but no pensions to lose if they get convicted of wrong doings. They are also not armed, so they are much more likely to get into a physical confrontation. I used to be friends with a guy who's dad was the Chief of the Class II's in my town. Total tyrants the whole lot of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Root View Post
    This beatdown moment was provided by a couple of VOLUNTEER police officers. These people wear a special patch on their costume that looks something like this:


    Nope, sorry. That is close, but it's more like this one:



    Now that we've cleared up how to ID these scum, a warning. These are the most dangerous of all NJ police. Many of them want to become cops someday, but some hold other full time employment already. They have full qualified immunity, but no pensions to lose if they get convicted of wrong doings. They are also not armed, so they are much more likely to get into a physical confrontation. I used to be friends with a guy who's dad was the Chief of the Class II's in my town. Total tyrants the whole lot of them.
    So you are a local? When do the protests start? Will they set some fires in the streets, burn down a Starbucks, loot a grocery store?

    Really, this can be tied directly to Trump. It's his fault. Why hasn't Trump disavowed the Police?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    So you are a local? When do the protests start? Will they set some fires in the streets, burn down a Starbucks, loot a grocery store?
    Really, this can be tied directly to Trump. It's his fault. Why hasn't Trump disavowed the Police?
    NJ aint CA, totally different type of socialist in these parts. Nobody is going to protest some whitish uppity broad getting beaten by the beach police. Hell, he'll probably get patted on the back. She shoulda known better than to start mouthing off, I found the video completely unsurprising.
    Last edited by specsaregood; 06-01-2018 at 01:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    So you are a local? When do the protests start? Will they set some fires in the streets, burn down a Starbucks, loot a grocery store?

    Really, this can be tied directly to Trump. It's his fault. Why hasn't Trump disavowed the Police?
    I'm not local to Wildwood. You couldn't pay me to go visit a NJ shore town in the summertime. The NJ beach town locals are the nastiest, most ungrateful people I've ever met. They hate the tourists that come spend money there in the summer.

    I don't think there will be protests in NJ over this because she is a white girl from out-of-state Philly.

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    h/t Suz from the pic thread


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    Weinman appears to pass the test but then becomes hostile and refuses to give her last name when asked.

    “You’re mad because you thought we were drinking,” she says, according to video.

    “OK, that’s it — I’m done with you,” the officer eventually says, asking his partner if he has any handcuffs on him.

    Then Weinman begins to back away, shouting, “Don’t touch me.”
    First Degree Failure to Kneel and Tug Forelock While Saying "As You Will, M'lud"

    Clearly, Emily Weinman did this to herself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    NJ aint CA, totally different type of socialist in these parts. Nobody is going to protest some whitish uppity broad getting beaten by the beach police. Hell, he'll probably get patted on the back. She shoulda known better than to start mouthing off, I found the video completely unsurprising.
    Quote Originally Posted by Root View Post
    I'm not local to Wildwood. You couldn't pay me to go visit a NJ shore town in the summertime. The NJ beach town locals are the nastiest, most ungrateful people I've ever met. They hate the tourists that come spend money there in the summer.

    I don't think there will be protests in NJ over this because she is a white girl from out-of-state Philly.
    It's white privilege to be beaten or killed by cops and the usual "protesters" don't give a damn.
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    You should read this:

    http://mileswmathis.com/police.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Root View Post
    Now that we've cleared up how to ID these scum, a warning. These are the most dangerous of all NJ police. Many of them want to become cops someday, but some hold other full time employment already. They have full qualified immunity, but no pensions to lose if they get convicted of wrong doings. They are also not armed, so they are much more likely to get into a physical confrontation. I used to be friends with a guy who's dad was the Chief of the Class II's in my town. Total tyrants the whole lot of them.
    Yah, this is an offshoot of the police state unique to the Jersey shore. My old man was the same thing in his younger years, in the shore town where I grew up about 50 miles north of Wildwood. While too young to remember it clearly, family tells me they were the worst sort of hut hutting Barney Fifes you could imagine.

    You'd think that "volunteer" cops would be less inclined to this sort of thing than full timers.

    That fact is they are not, there is no good way to parse the police issue: once you accept the concept, there is no practical way to prevent this.

    If you give unlimited power and immunity to a protected class of badged enforcers to push people around, they are going to do it.

    That said, I'm guess these guys are full timers, they certainly are armed at any rate.

    IIRC the "volunteer" cops could be armed, I know the old man had one gun in the house, a S&W .38 Police Special that I vaguely recall him carrying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    NJ aint CA, totally different type of socialist in these parts. Nobody is going to protest some whitish uppity broad getting beaten by the beach police. Hell, he'll probably get patted on the back. She shoulda known better than to start mouthing off, I found the video completely unsurprising.
    Specs is right.

    In New Jersey cops are worshiped as demi gods.

    I'm not being facetious or over the top here, they really are, it's one of the strangest and frankly repulsive things I have ever seen.

    Having a cop friend or a PBA card is held as a mark of high status and respect, like personally knowing the local mafia don.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post

    That fact is they are not, there is no good way to parse the police issue: once you accept the concept, there is no practical way to prevent this.

    If you give unlimited power and immunity to a protected class of badged enforcers to push people around, they are going to do it.
    It is the very Concept of Police that needs to be addressed.

    and what kind of society you want.. Authoritarian or Free. Can't be both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    It's white privilege to be beaten or killed by cops and the usual "protesters" don't give a damn.
    White people, do something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Specs is right.
    In New Jersey cops are worshiped as demi gods.
    Imagine my shock:
    NJ police officers won't face criminal charges for beach altercation, prosecutor says
    New Jersey police officers connected to the dramatic beach arrest last month of a 20-year-old suspected of underage drinking will not be hit with criminal charges, prosecutors announced Tuesday.
    A preliminary investigation into the violent May 26 altercation, which was captured on video, found that "the actions" of the Wildwood police officers who arrested Emily Weinman “did not meet the evidentiary standards to warrant criminal charges,” under state law, a news release from the Cape May County Prosecutor’s Office said.
    The office said they came to the conclusion after reviewing police body camera video of the arrest and video shot by a beachgoer, as well as interviews from multiple witnesses and other related materials.

    Initial video of the incident captured a Wildwood police officer punching Weinman twice and placing her in a chokehold before she was arrested.
    In body camera video released by police, Weinman refuses to provide authorities with her last name after taking a breathalyzer test and being told by an officer that he's going to have her pour out the alcohol. As officers try to arrest her, she runs away, shouting profanities and telling them not to handcuff her.
    Weinman resists arrest and as the officer continues to approach, she "forcibly struck" him in the torso, Police Chief Robert Regalbuto said — an action he claimed turned the officer's body camera off. It was apparently reactivated as the two struggled in the sand.
    The officer punches the woman twice — as voices in the background could be heard shouting "stop resisting" — before Weinman spits in the direction of one of the officers.
    Following the altercation, the involved officers were reassigned to administrative duty.

    “As County Prosecutor, I recognize that the video footage has raised a lot of questions regarding the officers’ actions,” Cape May County Prosecutor Jeffrey H. Sutherland said in the news release. “A decision such as this is not based on emotion; it is based upon applying the proper laws, policies and directives that govern law enforcement.”
    Amid the prosecutor’s office’s decision, the Internal Affairs Unit of the Wildwood Police Department will hold an administrative investigation, the office said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Imagine my shock:
    NJ police officers won't face criminal charges for beach altercation, prosecutor says
    A preliminary investigation into the violent May 26 altercation, which was captured on video, found that "the actions" of the Wildwood police officers who arrested Emily Weinman “did not meet the evidentiary standards to warrant criminal charges,” under state law, a news release from the Cape May County Prosecutor’s Office said.
    Why am I reminded of Comey telling us that Hillary would never be charged?
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    From article below:

    Civil rights attorney Paul Hetznecker said an officer would have to have reasonable suspicion of an offense to order Weinman to take a breathalyzer and demand her name. She agreed to the breath test but refused to give her name, angering the officer.

    “You can’t just approach anyone on the beach and say we want to give you a breathalyzer,” he said. “That’s a Fourth Amendment violation.”
    "Reasonable suspicion."

    • Does this include a closed can of 'Twisted Tea' which she told the officers belonged to her 40 year old Aunt who was (after she called her) walking back to their location and, from what i can see on the web, is composed of 5% beer and the rest is lemonade and various fruity flavors of tea?

    • How about demanding she tell them her name? Is that also a Fourth Amendment violation?


    There was no way the cops could prove that was her can of lemonade/fruity teas/& 5% beer. Since, twice their breathalyzer test on her, which she without resistance willingly took, came up negative both times, and since she cooperated in calling her 40 year old Aunt who was the owner of that can of lemonade/fruity teas/& 5% beer and, which she said her Aunt was on the way back to the beach towels after talking with her, doesn't that completely negate any reasonable suspicion that these cops had of any wrongdoing by this woman? And, as such, doesn't this Constitutional 4th Amendment Right also forbid them from requiring her to tell them what her name was? What exactly are our rights here? Granted the gang of badged thugs roaming this beach care less about Constitutional Rights, as well as the local prosecutors who are always in bed with these thugs. But from a Constitutional perspective, when we do nothing wrong and no reasonable suspicion exists, are we actually required to give cops our names when they ask for them? Can we tell them to get a warrant if they want our names? (I think they can now actually get Electronic warrants quickly and on site; so wouldn't the onus be on them to get this?) What actually are our rights here?




    May 31, 2018 — 6:13 PM EDT




    WILDWOOD, N.J. — In body-cam video released this week, the Wildwood police officer can be seen lifting the compartment of his beach buggy, picking up a yellow portable breathalyzer wand and approaching a Philadelphia woman sitting on her beach towel with an open container of fruit.

    Emily Weinman, 20, agrees to submit her breath to the testing device, which comes up negative, but the encounter quickly escalates to a violent arrest in which the officer pulled her hair, slammed her to the ground, and punched her twice, all of his actions filmed by an onlooker and viewed by millions.

    Has the Jersey Shore become a place where police officers are going beach towel to beach towel with their breathalyzers?

    Not in Atlantic City. Not in Margate. Not in Sea Isle. Not in North Wildwood. Not in Ventnor. Not in Ocean City. None of those towns use portable breathalyzers on their beaches.

    Wildwood is pretty much on its own in using this breathalyzer strategy of turning their wide beaches into one big underage-drinking-while-sunning police checkpoint.

    “I’ve never heard of police officers walking around with breathalyzers,” said Stuart Green, a professor of law at Rutgers University. “Was he going blanket to blanket?”


    Wildwood Mayor Ernie Troiano defended the use of the devices, saying his town has long been a magnet for thousands of drinking teenagers, and this is part of their attempt to rein it in.

    But most other towns say they do not wield the breathalyzer devices on the beaches.

    “We just don’t use it,” said Capt. John Stevenson of the neighboring North Wildwood police. “We have the beach manned with officers all the time in summer. We are looking for people that look obviously underage.”

    Alcohol is banned on the beach but tolerated by most local Shore towns. Most do not enforce those laws on relatively discreet adults with red Solo cups or beer in a koozie. Typically in most towns, beach-towel harassment is limited to beach checkers looking for beach tags. But not on Wildwood’s free beaches.




    On Thursday, Wildwood police did not release any additional information or results of their internal investigation into the conduct of the three officers seen in the videos arresting Weinman.

    As people continued to dissect the body-cam videos released Wednesday night by Wildwood, renewed attention was paid to the scenario that led to the escalation: the officer’s words — “You’re about to get dropped” — and the wielding of the breathalyzers over the beach towel of a not particularly crowded area of the beach.

    Chief Doug Biagi of Ventnor said the officer’s words perhaps showed his inexperience as a Class II seasonal officer, typically hired by Shore towns to bulk up staffing during busy summer months. The Class II’s are given police academy training and carry guns. They often are seeking full-time employment with the towns.

    “Here’s the stuff that hurts you: ‘You’re about to get dropped,’ ” Biagi said. “It’s one of those things that you go, ‘Oooh, here we go.’ Then it goes into the mind-set. Did he want to get in a fight? People will push your buttons. Would I retrain them on sensitivity, words to use, de-escalation? We always try to turn a negative into a positive.

    “It goes with experience and maturity,” Biagi said. “If those are the words you’ve grown up with, when you’re a cop it changes.”




    Civil rights attorney Paul Hetznecker said an officer would have to have reasonable suspicion of an offense to order Weinman to take a breathalyzer and demand her name. She agreed to the breath test but refused to give her name, angering the officer.

    “You can’t just approach anyone on the beach and say we want to give you a breathalyzer,” he said. “That’s a Fourth Amendment violation.”


    Green, the Rutgers professor, said people are entitled to an expectation of being left alone without reasonable suspicion of an offense. “She was resistant,” he said, “but private citizens have the right to sit on their beach blanket without being harassed by police if they aren’t committing an offense.”

    Hetznecker questioned why the officers continued to pursue their investigation of the woman once she had agreed to the breath test and proved that she had not been drinking. She had told them some alcohol nearby, Twisted Tea, belonged to her aunt.


    “When she blows the breathalyzer and it comes up negative, they’re done,” said Hetznecker, who has defended police protesters who are shouting at police. “It’s an overreach. Any reason to come back to her is gone. She makes a statement to you, that’s covered by the First Amendment. Police have to be trained to de-escalate and deal with the negative reaction to their authority. It’s really important that police are trained to deal with colorful language and obscene language. There’s been a lack of training on those protections overall.”

    Defense attorney Matthew Reisig says the law requires anyone suspected of drinking and driving to submit to a breath test but that does not apply to someone who is not driving.

    “Can he carry the device? Sure. Can he ask someone to provide a [breath sample]? Sure. Can he require it? No,” Reisig said. “There’s no statute in New Jersey that would provide that a person can be charged with refusal to submit to a test to determine if they’ve consumed alcohol while underage in a public place.”

    Meanwhile, Weinman’s attorney, Stephen Dicht, said the young mother had been under a lot of stress since the incident and was feeling “banged up.” He continued to contend that Wildwood police responded with excessive force, and questioned the mayor’s earlier comments that a woman was harder than a man to subdue.

    “Thank God it wasn’t a black person,” Dicht said. “A black person wouldn’t have gotten out alive.”
    http://www.philly.com/philly/news/ne...-20180531.html



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    Quote Originally Posted by charrob View Post
    “Thank God it wasn’t a black person,” Dicht said. “A black person wouldn’t have gotten out alive.”
    And everytime you think that maybe we'll find a way to put on a united front, they have to make it about race even when this situation had nothing to do with race. And thus undo any hope of uniting the mundanes to make changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    And everytime you think that maybe we'll find a way to put on a united front, they have to make it about race even when this situation had nothing to do with race. And thus undo any hope of uniting the mundanes to make changes.
    Yes, I saw that as well. And while I agree it's unfortunate that he had to bring that up, i think there is truth to what he said. Although the total number of white victims of police misconduct is higher than black victims, i think as a percentage based on total number in the black race versus total number in the white race in this country, blacks tend to be victims of police misconduct more often then whites (as a percentage of their race). For what it's worth, I don't think it's the color of their skin that determines this as much as the low social strata of a large number of blacks which make them vulnerable. Thugs, including the badged ones, will always go after the most vulnerable people because they are easy prey and they know they can get away with it. That's why they go after the homeless and low income white people at a higher rate then those that are well established. They are bullies. That's what bullies do.

    But back to my questions: exactly what are our Constitutional rights here? If we do nothing wrong, do cops need a warrant to require we give them our names? From the article above, "Civil rights attorney Paul Hetznecker said an officer would have to have reasonable suspicion of an offense to order Weinman to take a breathalyzer and demand her name." She obviously did nothing wrong and he could not prove the can of unopened lemonade+fruity tea+5% beer was hers. Furthermore, the attorney states it was within her 1st Amendment rights to call the pig a low class piece of white trash, which he obviously was. So exactly what are our Constitutional rights in a situation like this? Is this attorney correct? Did she have a right to deny giving him her name?
    Last edited by charrob; 06-30-2018 at 07:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charrob View Post
    So exactly what are our Constitutional rights in a situation like this?
    Your rights are limited to those that you can and are willing to back up by force of your own or your allies. So none basically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Your rights are limited to those that you can and are willing to back up by force of your own or your allies. So none basically.
    In Terry v. Ohio, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a person can be stopped and briefly detained by a police officer based on a reasonable suspicion of involvement in a punishable crime. ... Such a detention does not violate the Fourth Amendment prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizure, though it must be brief. Reasonable suspicion does not provide grounds for arrest; however, an arrest can be made if facts discovered during the detention provide probable cause that the suspect has committed a crime.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_suspicion
    So from the above, although they had reasonable suspicion, there is no way for them to establish probable cause because they cannot prove the can of unopened lemonade+fruity teas+5% beer was hers. So wouldn't their arrest of her be Constitutionally unlawful?

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    In a car/driving situation you can refuse the breathalyzer . . . it is your right and is STRONGLY recommended at ALL times and ALL circumstances.
    You would still get charged with a DUI for example, and a drivers license suspension - but it would be well worth it once the court process starts.
    The State needs that as evidence.

    Here, on the public beach, she consented to be breathalyzed in the first place -
    but since it was negative anyway, why is she being detained anyway ? Unconstitutional detainment before the cop-beating.

    She has had her constitutional rights to Equal Protection under the 14th Amendment violated under the color of state law/authority -
    a violation of the federal 42 U.S.C. 1983 for which compensatory, exemplary, and punitive damages can be considered.

    I have the citation somewhere and I want to find it anyway . . . but a Supreme Court case once stated :
    "The Constitution is to protect the people from the State, but it does not protect the people from each other."

    State actors violated her constitutional equal protection clause rights . . .
    and she should NOT settle out-of-court, go full on . . . demand for jury trial.

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    1. Don't lie.
    2. Don't cheat.
    3. Don't steal.
    4. Don't kill.
    5. Don't commit adultery.
    6. Don't covet what your neighbor has, especially his wife.
    7. Honor your father and mother.
    8. Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.
    9. Don’t use your Higher Power's name in vain, or anyone else's.
    10. Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

    "For the love of money is the root of all evil..." -- I Timothy 6:10, KJV

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