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    Whose Country Is This? Is the Constitution Even Welcome Here Anymore?

    “The first time it was reported that our friends were being butchered there was a cry of horror. Then a hundred were butchered. But when a thousand were butchered and there was no end to the butchery, a blanket of silence spread. When evil-doing comes like falling rain, nobody calls out ‘stop!’ When crimes begin to pile up they become invisible. When sufferings become unendurable the cries are no longer heard. The cries, too, fall like rain in summer.” ― Bertolt Brecht, Selected Poems

    There are days I wake up, and I’m not sure what country I live in anymore.

    There are days I wake up and want to go right back to sleep in the hopes that this surreal landscape of government-sanctioned injustice, corruption and brutality is just a really bad dream.

    There are days I am so battered by the never-ending wave of bad news that I have little outrage left in me: I am numb.

    And then I get hold of myself, shake myself out of the doldrums, and remind myself that it’s not yet time to give up: America needs our outrage and our alertness and our tenacity and our fierce determination to remain a free people in a land where justice matters.

    This is still our country.

    Don’t just sit there.

    Do something.

    When you hear that the U.S. government “lost” 1,475 migrant children within its care over a three-month period, in some cases handing them off to human traffickers, don’t just chalk it up to incompetent bureaucrats. The Trump Administration’s plan to separate immigrant children from their parents at the border should outrage anyone with a moral conscience, especially in light of the government’s latest revelation that it is unable to account for the whereabouts of 1500 of those children.

    Mind you, this is not just a Trump problem. A recent report indicates that under President Obama’s watch, migrant children were allegedly beaten, threatened with sexual violence and repeatedly assaulted while under the care of Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officials. According to Newsweek, “Border authorities were accused of kicking a child in the ribs and forcing a 16-year-old girl to ‘spread her legs’ for an aggressive body search. Other children accused officers of punching a child in the head three times, running over a 17-year-old boy and denying medical care to a pregnant teen, who later had a stillbirth.”

    ACT. It doesn’t matter what your politics are or where you stand on immigration issues. There are some lines that should never be crossed—some government actions that should never be tolerated or justified—no matter what the end goal might be, and this is one of them. Demand that Congress stop playing politics and endangering children’s lives.

    When you read that Attorney General Jeff Sessions wants police to use stop and frisk tactics randomly against Americans without even the need for reasonable suspicion, don’t just shake your head disapprovingly.

    ACT: Call the Justice Department (202-353-1555) and read them the Fourth Amendment: “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

    After you watch the video of how the Transportation Security Administration, unfailingly tone deaf to the spirit of the Fourth Amendment, subjected a 96-year-old World War II veteran in a wheelchair to a patdown that left no part of her body untouched, don’t just seethe in silence.


    ACT: Contact your representative in Congress and file a complaint on the TSA’s egregious practices. When old women and little children are being groped by government agents, things have gone too far. In light of revelations that the TSA “has created a new secret watch list to monitor people who may be targeted as potential threats at airport checkpoints simply because they have swatted away security screeners’ hands or otherwise appeared unruly,” you can expect even more headache-inducing behavior in the near future.

    When you find out that Amazon is selling police real time facial recognition software that can scan hundreds of thousands of faces, identify them, track them, and then report them to police, don’t just shrug helplessly.

    ACT: Harness the power of your wallet to urge Amazon to favor freedom principles over profit motives. It’s only a matter of time before these programs are used widely here in the U.S. They are already being used and abused abroad. For instance, Amazon’s Rekognition software was used by broadcasters to identify attendees at the royal wedding of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. Chinese police have used similar facial recognition tools to scan crowds at rock concerts, malls and gas stations in order to catch alleged lawbreakers. Just recently, Chinese police used the technology to capture a suspect who had been living under a pseudonym after he failed to pay for $17,000 worth of potatoes. Chinese schools are even employing the facial recognition cameras in classrooms to alert teachers to students who aren’t paying attention.

    When you hear Sessions bragging about how much he loves civil asset forfeiture, which allows the government to seize Americans’ personal property—money, cars, homes and other valuables—without having to first prove that any criminal conduct has taken place, don’t just take his word for it.

    ACT: Do your own research. You’ll soon discover that because of the corruption that surrounds this abusive program, countless innocent Americans have been robbed blind by government agents out to get rich at their expense. Billions of dollars have been taken without probable cause. Anthonia Nwaorie, a Texas nurse who had saved up $41,377 to start a medical clinic for women and children in Nigeria, had her life savings seized by Customs Agents who refused to return the money unless she agreed to pay their “expenses.” Six months later, even though Nwaorie was never charged with a crime, she’s still waiting to get her money back.

    When you hear about armed Denver police pulling a gun on a school official and conducting a classroom-to-classroom search for a missing student at an area high school, don’t just thank your lucky stars your childhood was more idyllic. Likewise, when you hear that the lieutenant governor of Texas thinks the solution to school shootings is fewer school doors (entrances and exits), don’t just marvel at the short-sightedness of government officials.

    ACT: Say “enough is enough” to government-sponsored violence. The systemic violence being perpetrated by agents of the government has done more collective harm to the American people and our liberties than any single act of terror or mass shooting. Violence has become the government’s calling card, starting at the top and trickling down, from the more than 80,000 SWAT team raids carried out every year on unsuspecting Americans by heavily armed, black-garbed commandos and the increasingly rapid militarization of local police forces across the country to the surveillance drones that are already crisscrossing American skies.

    When you read about how 28-year-old Andrew Finch of Kansas answered a 5 pm knock on his front door only to be shot in the head and killed ten seconds later by a police sniper because a SWAT team responded to a prank “swatting” phone call with full force, don’t just tsk-tsk over the senseless tragedies arising from militarized and police and overzealous SWAT teams. Not only did police refuse to identify the officer who pulled the trigger, but he was also never charged with Andrew’s death.

    ACT: Demand accountability. If any hope for police reform is to be realized, especially as it relates to how SWAT teams are deployed locally and holding police accountable for their actions, it must begin at the community level, with local police departments and governing bodies, where citizens can still, with sufficient reinforcements, make their voices heard.

    The rise of SWAT teams and militarization of American police—blowback effects of the military empire—have unfortunately become entrenched parts of American life. SWAT teams originated as specialized units dedicated to defusing extremely sensitive, dangerous situations. As the role of paramilitary forces has expanded, however, to include involvement in nondescript police work targeting nonviolent suspects, the mere presence of SWAT units has actually injected a level of danger and violence into police-citizen interactions that was not present as long as these interactions were handled by traditional civilian officers. Nationwide, SWAT teams have been employed to address an astonishingly trivial array of criminal activity or mere community nuisances: angry dogs, domestic disputes, improper paperwork filed by an orchid farmer, and misdemeanor marijuana possession, to give a brief sampling. In some instances, SWAT teams are even employed, in full armament, to perform routine patrols. All too often, botched SWAT team raids have resulted in one tragedy after another for American citizens with little consequences for law enforcement.

    When you find out that police and other law enforcement agencies are accessing the DNA shared with genealogical websites and using it to identify possible suspects, don’t offer up your DNA without some assurance of privacy protections.

    ACT: Protect your privacy. It’s not just yourself you have to worry about, either. It’s also anyone related to you who can be connected by DNA. These genetic fingerprints, as they’re called, do more than just single out a person. They also show who you’re related to and how. As the Associated Press reports, “DNA samples that can help solve robberies and murders could also, in theory, be used to track down our relatives, scan us for susceptibility to disease, or monitor our movements.”

    By accessing your DNA, the government will soon know everything else about you that they don’t already know: your family chart, your ancestry, what you look like, your health history, your inclination to follow orders or chart your own course, etc. Capitalizing on this, police in California, Colorado, Virginia and Texas use DNA found at crime scenes to identify and target family members for possible clues to a suspect’s whereabouts. Who will protect your family from being singled out for “special treatment” simply because they’re related to you? As biomedical researcher Yaniv Erlichwarns, “If it’s not regulated and the police can do whatever they want ... they can use your DNA to infer things about your health, your ancestry, whether your kids are your kids.”

    In the face of DNA evidence that places us at the scene of a crime, behavior sensing technology that interprets our body temperature and facial tics as suspicious, and government surveillance devices that cross-check our biometrics, license plates and DNA against a growing database of unsolved crimes and potential criminals, we are no longer “innocent until proven guilty.”

    Finally, when you hear someone talking about how two American citizens in Montana were detained by a Border Patrol agent because he overheard them speaking Spanish at a gas station, don’t just shake your head in disgust.

    ACT: Remind yourself (and those around you) that despite the polarizing, racially-charged rhetoric being tossed about by President Trump, this is still a nation whose strength derives from the diversity of its people and from the immigrants who have been seeking shelter on our shores since the earliest days of our Republic. As President Ronald Reagan recognized in one of his last speeches before leaving office:

    “We lead the world because, unique among nations, we draw our people—our strength—from every country and every corner of the world. And by doing so we continuously renew and enrich our nation… Thanks to each wave of new arrivals to this land of opportunity, we're a nation forever young, forever bursting with energy and new ideas, and always on the cutting edge, always leading the world to the next frontier. This quality is vital to our future as a nation. If we ever closed the door to new Americans, our leadership in the world would soon be lost… Those who become American citizens love this country even more. And that's why the Statue of Liberty lifts her lamp to welcome them to the golden door. It is bold men and women, yearning for freedom and opportunity, who leave their homelands and come to a new country to start their lives over. They believe in the American dream. And over and over, they make it come true for themselves, for their children, and for others. They give more than they receive. They labor and succeed. And often they are entrepreneurs. But their greatest contribution is more than economic, because they understand in a special way how glorious it is to be an American. They renew our pride and gratitude in the United States of America, the greatest, freest nation in the world—the last, best hope of man on Earth.”

    As I make clear in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People, if the freedoms enshrined in the Bill of Rights, the first ten amendments to the U.S. Constitution, are to mean anything anymore—if they are to stand for anything ever again—then “we the people” have to stand up for them.

    We cannot allow ourselves to be divided and distracted and turned into warring factions.

    We cannot sell out our birthright for empty promises of false security.

    We cannot remain silent in the face of ugliness, pettiness, meanness, brutality, corruption and injustice.

    We cannot allow politicians, corporations, profiteers and war hawks to whittle our freedoms away until they are little more than empty campaign slogans.

    We must stand strong for freedom.

    We must give voice to moral outrage.

    We must do something—anything—everything in our power to make America free again.


    As Reagan recognized, “If we lose this way of freedom, history will record with the great astonishment that those who had the most to lose did the least to prevent its happening.”
    https://www.rutherford.org/publicati...e_here_anymore

    Emphasis mine, all credit to the author: John W. Whitehead
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump



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    Damn good article. John Whitehead is a great writer...

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    Appeals Court: Police do not need a reason to place Americans on a Suspicious Person List (Updated)


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    https://massprivatei.blogspot.com/20...ed-reason.html

    Day by day, year by year our justice system proves the Constitution has essentially become worthless.

    Two days ago, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in California ruled that police do not need a reason to place a person on the Suspicious Person List.

    The ruling explains how President George W. Bush created Fusion Centers whose primary mission was to identify “suspicious Americans.”

    In October 2007, President George W. Bush issued a National Strategy for Information Sharing concerning terrorism-related information. The Strategy created fusion centers that would ensure Suspicious Activity Reports (SARs) were disseminated to and evaluated by appropriate government authorities, and identify requirements to support a unified process for reporting, tracking, and accessing SARs. The nationwide effort to standardize this information sharing was called the Nationwide Suspicious Activity Reporting Initiative."

    According to the ruling, Americans can be considered suspicious for doing things like taking pictures of public art, buying a computer, practicing their religion, etc.

    "Private guards prevented Prigoff, a professional photographer, from taking photographs of a work of public art near Boston, an incident that resulted in the creation of multiple SARs. The FBI then visited Prigoff’s home and questioned a neighbor about him.”(Click here to see how police are taking DNA samples of suspicious people.)

    Updated 2/20:

    Feds share secret terror watchlist with 1400 private groups

    According to an article in the AP News, the Feds have a secret watchlist of 1,400 private entities.

    The federal government has acknowledged that it shares its terrorist watchlist with more than 1,400 private entities, including hospitals and universities, prompting concerns from civil libertarians that those mistakenly placed on the list could face a wide variety of hassles in their daily lives.

    Gadeir Abbas, a lawyer with the Council on American-Islamic Relations, which has filed a constitutional challenge to the government’s use of the watchlist, called the government’s admission shocking.

    “We’ve always suspected there was private-sector dissemination of the terror watchlist, but we had no idea the breadth of the dissemination would be so large,” Abbas said.

    The watchlist is supposed to include only those who are known or suspected terrorists but contains hundreds of thousands of names. The government’s no-fly list is culled from a small subset of the watchlist.

    Being put on an SAR list is similar to the FDA's drug manufacturing list

    The Ninth Circuit claimed that being placed on an SAR list is similar to determining whether a pharmacy is manufacturing drugs!

    "The Functional Standard is similar to the Food & Drug Administration’s policy guide at issue in Professionals and Patients for Customized Care. The FDA promulgated a policy utilizing nine factors to help the agency determine whether to initiate an enforcement action against a pharmacy engaged in drug manufacturing.

    “The Fifth Circuit noted that although the nine factors assisted the FDA in identifying pharmacies engaged in the manufacture of drugs, the ultimate decision whether to bring an enforcement action remained with the agency. Likewise, the Functional Standard aids agencies in determining whether an individual is engaged in suspicious activity, but the final decision to disseminate an SAR rests in the analyst’s discretion.”

    What does that mean to the average American?

    It means that you, your family, friends or neighbors could be labeled a “suspicious person” based on the whims of local police and a DHS officer.

    No one know really knows what factors law enforcement uses in determining if a person should be put on an SAR list. But we do know that the Ninth Circuit ruled that law enforcement does not need to have “reasonable suspicion” to put Americans on a Suspicious Person List.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Only Q or a civil war will save us

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    This country belongs to the globalists and they don't give a single $#@! about the Constitution.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Whose Country Is This?
    Import third world tyranny and corruption, get third world tyranny and corruption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Import third world tyranny and corruption, get third world tyranny and corruption.
    Import European Socialists, get European Socialism.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Import third world tyranny and corruption, get third world tyranny and corruption.
    Establish a democratic republic under a loosely worded constitution with a society of comfortably fat cowards who couldn't or wouldn't so much as look at a book if I threw it at them, get an idiocracy.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump



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    Insane, all of it.

    And people are completely oblivious, being intentionally misled.
    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

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    The country has a few problems, but nothing that can't be fixed. Just stay informed, watch the news, and take great care in who you vote for, because the future of the country depends on it. Vote well, and good fortune will come your way.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Rand Paul (Vice Pres) 2016!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    Establish a democratic republic under a loosely worded constitution with a society of comfortably fat cowards who couldn't or wouldn't so much as look at a book if I threw it at them, get an idiocracy.
    This.
    "The Patriarch"

    willie with tan lines: enjoy the shots and the woman
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The foreigners will take 100% of your income and then your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    Insane, all of it.

    And people are completely oblivious, being intentionally misled.
    It is the “illegals” fault that Trump and the Republicans don’t whisper a word about ending Common Core/FedDeptEd. They don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings by provoking a cohesive rally among the base. If they did, it would only bring more Republican AND libertarian voters out from behind the woodwork who haven’t voted in years.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    It is the “illegals” fault that Trump and the Republicans don’t whisper a word about ending Common Core/FedDeptEd. They don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings by provoking a cohesive rally among the base. If they did, it would only bring more Republican AND libertarian voters out from behind the woodwork who haven’t voted in years.
    The "right" loves the migrant hordes because it means cheap labor and greater profits.

    The "left" loves the migrant hordes because it facilitates the process of displacement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The "left" loves the migrant hordes because it facilitates the process of displacement.
    What specifically do you mean by "displacement"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Import European Socialists, get European Socialism.
    And this...

    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    Establish a democratic republic under a loosely worded constitution with a society of comfortably fat cowards who couldn't or wouldn't so much as look at a book if I threw it at them, get an idiocracy.
    And this too...

    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    Insane, all of it.

    And people are completely oblivious, being intentionally misled.
    And all of this as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    What specifically do you mean by "displacement"?
    Generally, displacement of white western Europeans within the United States. The left has made it clear that me and my posterity do not deserve and will not have a voice in the country as we go into the future. Importing millions of people from regions, cultures and ethnicities hostile to mine helps achieve that goal.

    More specifically, anybody who subscribes to the ideas of western enlightenment thinking; individual liberty, property rights and limited government designed to nothing but protect those rights.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 03-11-2019 at 11:09 AM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The "right" loves the migrant hordes because it means cheap labor and greater profits.
    Are you pro-minimum wage?

    Do you oppose Free Market and Contract Rights?

    Do you support USMCA where ILO will be involved?

    Do you think govt should help “balance” things out?

    What are you trying to say here?

    Cool screen name, btw.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Generally, displacement of white western Europeans within the United States. The left has made it clear that me and my posterity do not deserve and will not have a voice in the country as we go into the future.

    More specifically, anybody who subscribes to the ideas of western enlightenment thinking; individual liberty, property rights and limited government designed to nothing but protect those rights.
    Do you see a risk of the US deporting all whites to some other place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Do you see a risk of the US deporting all whites to some other place?
    No.

    I do see a movement of "New Jacobins" (read their official organ here) building in the wings, just waiting for the right Robespierre to come along and whip them up into enough of frenzy to march off into a new "Reign of Terror", killing anybody they deem unpure and not worthy of being part of their New Order.

    Will this killing be directed at whites only? No, not likely, although that would be majority target.

    This could happen before, during or after a period of civic terrorism: felony hate crime persecutions, reparations, property takings and total lockout from the political and cultural "public square".

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Are you pro-minimum wage?

    Do you oppose Free Market and Contract Rights?

    Do you support USMCA where ILO will be involved?

    Do you think govt should help “balance” things out?

    What are you trying to say here?

    Cool screen name, btw.
    No to all.

    What I'm trying to say is simple: the "Chamber of Commerce" wing of the "right" likes cheap labor afforded by migrant hordes.

    Hubby likes it down at the plant, it increases the bottom line.

    Muffy at home likes Maria the nanny and Paco the gardener that they can pay 20 bucks a day for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    No.

    I do see a movement of "New Jacobins" (read their official organ here) building in the wings, just waiting for the right Robespierre to come along and whip them up into enough of frenzy to march off into a new "Reign of Terror", killing anybody they deem unpure and not worthy of being part of their New Order.

    Will this killing be directed at whites only? No, not likely, although that would be majority target.

    This could happen before, during or after a period of civic terrorism: felony hate crime persecutions, reparations, property takings and total lockout from the political and cultural "public square".
    This kind of irrational fear mongering is every bit as bad as, or worse than, the very worst lies about global warming, terrorism, guns, economic collapse, or any other propaganda I can think of that politicians have ever used to convince people to give those politicians more control over them to save them from those nonsensical threats.

    I see no difference between someone with your mindset and the Jacobins you fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    This kind of irrational fear mongering is every bit as bad as, or worse than, the very worst lies about global warming, terrorism, guns, economic collapse, or any other propaganda I can think of that politicians have ever used to convince people to give those politicians more control over them to save them from those nonsensical threats.

    I see no difference between someone with your mindset and the Jacobins you fear.
    Meh...don't read it then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    This kind of irrational fear mongering is every bit as bad as, or worse than, the very worst lies about global warming, terrorism, guns, economic collapse, or any other propaganda I can think of that politicians have ever used to convince people to give those politicians more control over them to save them from those nonsensical threats.
    How deep is that hole you keep your head in?


    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I see no difference between someone with your mindset and the Jacobins you fear.
    Then your moral relativism has reached the incurable stage.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Then your moral relativism has reached the incurable stage.
    Yeah, wasn't even gonna bother...tough to get around that, when "leave me and my wallet alone" equals "I want to exterminate the unpure and counter revolutionaries who threaten collectivist utopia".



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    How deep is that hole you keep your head in?
    You don't consider the governmental "solutions" to mythical "problems" like global warming, terrorism, highly publicized attacks blamed on guns even though the triggers were pulled by kids on SSRIs, and threats of economic Armageddon to be a problem? Do you think the fact that he does is evidence he has his head buried?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Then your moral relativism has reached the incurable stage.
    Did you happen to notice that he didn't say one damned thing about the morality of either Team Left or Team Right, but merely compared fear mongering to fear mongering?
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Only Q or a civil war will save us

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You don't consider the governmental "solutions" to mythical "problems" like global warming, terrorism, highly publicized attacks blamed on guns even though the triggers were pulled by kids on SSRIs, and threats of economic Armageddon?



    Did you happen to notice that he didn't say one damned thing about the morality of either Team Left or Team Right, but merely compared fear mongering to fear mongering?
    I don't think your moral relativism is as advanced but the hole you keep your head in is just as deep.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't think your moral relativism is as advanced but the hole you keep your head in is just as deep.
    Yeah, I thought everything he said went over your head.

    I was right.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Only Q or a civil war will save us

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Yeah, I thought everything he said went over your head.

    I was right.
    More like under it, my head is in the air where I can see and hear the real world.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    More like under it, my head is in the air where I can see and hear the real world.
    Is your head in the air, or vice versa?
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Only Q or a civil war will save us

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yeah, wasn't even gonna bother...tough to get around that, when "leave me and my wallet alone" equals "I want to exterminate the unpure and counter revolutionaries who threaten collectivist utopia".
    Maybe you and Shill aren’t understanding our positions so I will call a truce.

    TPTB control just about everything, whether foreign affairs or internally. Around the globe, folks that I speak with, they are more aware concerning politics than Americans are. Still, there are a number of people who see America, illusioned as they may be, as a beacon of hope and opportunity, to learn, open businesses, to be free.

    I can not see throwing money at a wall, police state, bio-ID, to prevent “socialism”, when the folks at the White House have NO intention of Ending the FedDeptEd whatsoever, when that is the very utility that they use to TEACH socialism.

    If/when they are serious about ending FedDeptEd, that is when I will begin to believe that our own government really does have our best interest and Freedom/Liberty at heart.

    Until then, their “solutions” are nothing but “feel good” initiatives which appear good, but rather soak the American people for more money, reduced freedom, and of course, votes. All while continuing to teach and force socialism.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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