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    MJ guest suggests President Trump has never succeeded at making a good deal

    Is that really true? Thought he was the master deal maker and was close to making a good deal with NRA at least.
    That Morning Joe video does not seem to be online yet but found this similar article in news:


    Donald Trump, deal-breaker in chief

    The Editorial Board, USA Today Published 3:31 p.m. ET May 24, 2018

    President Donald Trump calls the summit's cancellation a "tremendous setback" for North Korea and the world. USA TODAY

    North Korea summit joins the art of the deal-breaking list of Paris climate accord, TPP, Iran nuclear deal, NAFTA, DACA: Our view



    (Photo: Evan Vucci, AP)


    Thursday's collapse of a highly anticipated nuclear summit between President Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un is a stark and disturbing reminder of the chasm between what the president says he can do and reality.
    Trump sold himself to voters as the great negotiator, the ultimate problem-solver. "I alone can fix it," he said in his acceptance remarks at the Republican convention about rigged systems.
    The pitch worked. Supporters rightly fed up with years of congressional gridlock and a declining manufacturing base were certain that Trump would make great deals. Was he not, after all, the billionaire real estate wheeler-dealer whose name was synonymous with gold-plated success?

    But after 16 months as president, Trump has shown himself less talented at making new deals than at breaking existing ones. The list of broken or endangered agreements keeps growing: The Paris climate accord. The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade agreement. The Iran nuclear deal. The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). The Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) policy.
    In other words, Trump's pretty good at deal-breaking.It's deal-making where he stumbles:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...tes/636236002/



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    I didn't know TheCount worked for USA Today..
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
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    To set the record straight, I'm gonna try to compile a list of top 5 gratest deals POTUS has made so far that showcase his master negotiation skills as a great deal maker.
    Will be back with list after compiling it. MJ guest ( from New Yorker if I'm not mistaken and USA Today Editorial board cannot be allowed to have the last word on this.

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    They forgot to mention he is a bad role model for women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    They forgot to mention he is a bad role model for women.
    Not sure where you were going with this but it can be argued that deal/s that his lawyer made with women (who had dealt with him in the past) were pretty good.. though not in political realm. It was Stormy that broke the deal and it was described by media pundits as a great deal for only 130K.

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    Morning D'oh

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
    Make America the Land of the Free & the Home of the Brave again

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    It should be noted that MJ's opinions may not be objective on covering Trump given their history of feuds.

    President's son-in-law Kushner accused of trying to blackmail MSNBC's Joe Scarborough
    The president’s son-in-law advised the ‘Morning Joe’ host to speak to the president directly about an upcoming tabloid ‘hit piece.’
    06.30.17
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/jared-...-enquirer-dirt

    I believe this was the writer on MJ show.
    It is bit troubling that their photo is trying to depict a sitting POTUS like a used car salesman.



    President Trump Is a Better Dealbreaker Than Dealmaker

    His blown-up North Korea summit proves it.

    By Susan B. Glasser
    May 24, 2018




    Even before the collapse of the North Korea summit, it was clear that this week was not going to do much for President Trump’s vaunted self-image as a dealmaker.
    Illustration by Christian Northeast; Source photograph by Saul Loeb / AFP / Getty

    At 8:30 P.M. on Wednesday, I was speaking with a senior Administration official involved in the preparations for President Trump’s summit with the North Korean leader, Kim Jong Un. The chances, the official told me, were still “seventy-thirty” that the summit would happen, in Singapore, on June 12th, despite increasingly jittery statements from both sides in recent days. By the time we talked again, after dinner, however, the prospects seemed to be dropping by the minute. The North Koreans had released a new statement in the hour since we had first spoken, calling remarks by Vice-President Mike Pence “ignorant and stupid” and threatening to cancel the meeting and, instead, proceed with a “nuclear-to-nuclear showdown.” “I saw that,” the official said, referring to the bellicose new statement. “Well, maybe it’s down to sixty-forty, but the point is we are planning for it.”
    Already, though, it was clear that the summit, which so recently had Trump openly musing about his prospects for a Nobel Peace Prize, was in serious doubt, and the official repeatedly returned to the question of the blame game that could ensue if the talks collapsed. He had been reviewing the long history of unsuccessful nuclear negotiations with North Korea, spanning three generations of the Kim family, and had concluded that, no matter what the facts, there was always an aggressive fight to affix responsibility. “Whenever talks have failed with North Korea,” the Administration official observed, “it’s been because of North Korea.”
    On Thursday morning, Trump called off the summit, writing in a testy letter to Kim that he was cancelling the meeting, “based on the tremendous anger and hostility displayed in your most recent statement.” The blame game, it seemed, had already begun.
    Even before the collapse of the North Korea negotiations, it was clear that this week was not going to do much for Trump’s vaunted self-image as a dealmaker. Not only were the prospects for the Kim meeting in doubt, there were setbacks regarding Trump’s two other top priorities: China and Iran.
    On Monday morning, after a weekend of negotiations with China, Trump appeared to be abruptly backing off his threat to launch a trade war with Beijing, without winning any major concessions. “It’s absolutely stunning how we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory,” Trump’s former chief strategist, Steve Bannon, a huge proponent of Trump’s earlier strategy of confrontation, told the Times. “Sadly China is out-negotiating the administration & winning the trade talks right now,” the Republican Senator Marco Rubio, of Florida, a free-trader whose views are generally the opposite of Bannon’s, tweeted on Tuesday. By Wednesday evening, Trump’s Treasury Secretary, Steve Mnuchin, and his Commerce Secretary, Wilbur Ross, rushed up to the Capitol for an emergency session with a half-dozen unhappy Republican senators. The attendees were mad at Trump, but for different reasons than Bannon. They pressed for an explanation as to why, exactly, Trump seemed to be granting concessions to a Chinese telecom company, ZTE, that has been crippled by U.S. sanctions that prevent it from buying American components. The answer appeared to be a personal, direct request to Trump from the Chinese leader, Xi Jinping, amid the broader talks over Trump’s threat of sweeping trade tariffs. That explanation, though, failed to appease the senators. An attendee at the meeting told me later that he anticipated there could be more than seventy votes in the Senate to block Trump legislatively on the matter. This is not generally what winning looks like.
    On Iran, meanwhile, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo rolled out on Monday what the White House billed as “our new Iran strategy.” Pompeo called for a sweeping new accord

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/lette...than-dealmaker



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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post

    But the deal wasn't broken.. KJU came crawling back and even destroyed his nuclear facility after Trump cancelled trying to get him to un-cancel.. Now Trump is saying they will probably meet afterall. It was all part of the negotiations, and it worked wonders. Aren't you paying attention to the other thread?

    Are you posting that video to make MSNBC look retarded? If so, you're doing a good job, but I have a feeling that isn't why you posted it.
    Last edited by dannno; 05-25-2018 at 05:08 PM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I didn't know TheCount worked for USA Today..

    TheCount's show is his meal ticket right here on RPF. It's called Morning Ho.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
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    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
    Quote Originally Posted by Dforkus View Post
    Zippy's posts are a great contribution.




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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    TheCount's show is his meal ticket right here on RPF. It's called Morning Ho.
    He also "vacations" in the middle east, possibly under contract with Clowns In Action.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Miror miror on the wall, who's the most retarded of them all?

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Are you posting that video to make MSNBC look retarded? If so, you're doing a good job, but I have a feeling that isn't why you posted it.
    I posted it because it's the topic of this thread and was curious about it. Maybe I'm involved in some vast Right Wing Conspiracy I don't even know about, what is it?

    I found the Scarborough clip to be as uninformative and lacking in substance as a Trump tweet, so I titled it....

    Morning D'oh


    Need no help in looking retarded.
    Last edited by RonZeplin; 05-25-2018 at 06:52 PM.
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    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
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    I wouldn't expect a bunch of great deals until his 2nd term. He needs to get rid of some swamp rats first.

    Too many foxes in the hen house.

    A decisive win in 2020 will crush the Dems bigly, as well as the udderly ridiculous 'resistance movement'.
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