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    Childhood leukemia linked to lack of childhood infections

    Lack of infections during childhood is a common trend in obsessively clean environments that the babies grow up in today. According to Prof Mel Greaves from the Institute of Cancer Research in London, winner of the Royal Society’s prestigious Royal Medal, childhood leukemias are caused not just due to aberrant genetics or due to exposure to dangerous radiation but also due to lack of common infections during childhood that help build immunity.
    Greaves’s theories and evidence from the earlier works have been released in a paper that was published in the latest issue of the journal Nature Reviews Cancer. His work compiles information from globally situated experts in cell biology, immunology, genetics, childhood leukemia and epidemiology.
    This finding comes after over three decades of research. According to Greaves, childhood cancers are preventable and part of the answer to the question could be to allow more social and environmental exposure to the babies especially at daycare centres to expose them to germs that would strengthen their immunity.


    Greaves looked at years of work on acute lymphoblastic leukaemia (ALL) and has come to this conclusion. Earlier on ALL was a fatal form of childhood cancer but today with advancement of cancer treatment over 90 percent of children diagnosed with this cancer can be cured. According to Greaves the cause of this form of childhood cancer is a “triple whammy”. At least one in 20 children carry genetic mutations that raise their risk of getting the cancer. These mutations may remain dormant if the immune systems of the children are normally functioning.
    For the immune systems to function properly, it is imperative that the babies are exposed to bacteria and viruses right from infancy. Children who have a weak immunity due to lack of exposure to bacteria and common viruses, when exposed to them later may develop a second genetic mutation that raises their risk of getting leukemias and cancers.

    According to Greaves, his argument is supported by the fact that more and more affluent populations are seeing children with ALL. The incidence of ALL risen by 1 percent per year globally. He explained that this rise has to do something with the modern lifestyles that the children are exposed to. He said that the problem here is not infection but the lack of it. According to him, same theory applies for several other diseases including type 1 diabetes, multiple sclerosis and Hodgkin’s lymphoma as well as a several allergic diseases. He pointed out that the rates of all of these diseases are lower in the poorest countries and higher in affluent countries.

    More at: https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...nfections.aspx
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    But, but, but... antibiotics and vaccines save lives and make children healthy, so I'be been told.

    The Benefits of Having a Natural Measles Infection-Suzanne Humphries, MD

    Today, half a century after measles vaccines have become commonplace, and two to three generations beyond the expectation of contracting measles during childhood as a regular event, measles is now thought of as a potentially deadly disease with no redeeming qualities. However, a look into the medical literature of the past shows us that wild measles may indeed have afforded immunologic advantages to those infected.


    Immunity
    Dr. Peter Aaby et al. and his team found that children who survived natural measles had a much higher survival rate from all other infectious causes than other children. Children who had the measles vaccine, had a lower rate of survival and the worst group in terms of overall survival from infections, was the group which had neither measles vaccines nor measles disease. That’s published research.¹ Their (compromise) conclusion was that it would be necessary to use the measles vaccine forever, because of the value of the vaccine in protecting against all-cause mortality in the absence of actual infection.


    Kidney disease
    Infection with measles virus during severe unrelenting episodes of childhood nephrotic syndrome² has been a topic of much discussion in the medical literature since the early part of the 20th century, beginning with Pirquet in 1908.³

    Numerous reports reflecting varying degrees of resolution after measles infections exist in conventional medical journals.4,5 At first glance, some of the results seem lackluster, as many of the children had recurrence after a period of becoming disease-free. However upon closer examination of how these children were treated, nearly all of the relapses occurred in those who were also treated with gammaglobulin, which reduces the full expression and immune response to measles. Or they were given sulfa drugs or mercurials, as well as vaccines.

    The reports that reflect cases of nephrotic syndrome, and untampered measles infection, with limited or no radical treatment of the nephrosis, had the most long-lasting and dramatic recoveries.

    One case of interest appeared in the journal Archives of Disease in Childhood in 1978. It was a reflection upon a boy who developed nephrosis 60 years prior. He was not given any drugs and had a full and life-long recovery.

    What makes his case even more interesting is that it followed Herring’s laws of disease. It is obvious that a superficial entity was driven deeper by suppressive treatments, resulting in his nephrosis.

    R. was a healthy 10-year-old boy who in 1916 developed a rash on the legs, diagnosed as eczema. After prolonged treatment with an ointment the rash disappeared. A specimen of urine routinely examined during this time had been noted to contain albumin and casts.6

    Doctors continued draining his abdomen of liters upon liters of fluid, making his disease worse. But alas before the doctor’s treatments, of ongoing abdominal fluid drainage with development of an abscess, were able to kill him, wild measles came along and brought him back to health.

    Once more hopes rose, only to be extinguished yet again by what appeared at the time to be the inevitably final catastrophe-the onset of a high fever and what proved to be an attack of measles. Miraculously, as it seemed to those about him, he survived this and, thereafter, his gradual return to full health was uninterrupted. Some 6 months had elapsed since he had first become oedematous, a trace of albumin in the urine only remained.7

    The boy enjoyed a life-long recovery. He was cured, in my opinion because he was not given corticosteroids, gammaglobulin, or antibiotics.


    Remission of cancer after infection
    Dr. HC Mota, in 1973, described a remission of infantile Hodgkin’s disease after natural measles.

    A 23-month-old Caucasian male was seen for the first time in April 1970 with a large mass in the neck due to hypertrophy of the left cervical lymph nodes. . . A diagnosis of predominantly lymphocytic Hodgkin’s disease was made on the histopathological findings of lymph node biopsy. . . Before radiotherapy could be started the child developed measles. Much to our surprise the large cervical mass vanished without further therapy.8

    There is another example reported, of wild measles leading to regression of Burkitt’s lymphoma in an eight-year-old African boy with painless right orbital swelling from a tumor. The appearance of generalized measles exanthema coincided with complete tumor regression. The patient remained in complete remission for 4 months after the measles infection.9 The idea of measles infection being anti-oncongenic came from wild measles, not engineered virus.

    How many children had subclinical cases of cancer that spontaneously resolved after developing natural measles is unknown because it has not been adequately researched.

    Msaouel et al. in 2009 conducted clinical testing of engineered oncolytic measles virus strains in the treatment of cancer. They note in their comprehensive report that previous vaccination against measles will negate the antitumor effect of the viral therapy.

    The majority of cancer patients who are candidates for measles-based therapeutics are immune to the virus as a result of natural infection or vaccination. Immunity could have a negative impact on the therapeutic efficacy.10

    Which leads one to ask, why not just let wild measles circulate and do the job nature intended at the time of life it was intended, which leads to 65 years of immunity and no need for life-span vaccination? And, as per Albonico11, probably reduces the chance of developing cancer during later life.

    Natural measles infection, when managed properly with vitamin A and C and good nutrition is not a deadly entity. Mortality for the disease in developed countries was down by over 99% before the vaccine was invented. The first vaccines led to a terrible form of measles called atypical measles. Today’s vaccines are also a source of many diseases. Populations that are 100% vaccinated12 are still susceptible to measles because the vaccine provides a weak and dangerous shield against the disease.


    Do you believe vaccines are necessary? Safe? Effective?
    Do you think smallpox and polio were eradicated by vaccination? Our new book, Dissolving Illusions: disease, vaccines, and an history you don’t know, puts these issues to rest with myth shattering graphs and documented facts. Once you learn what was in a smallpox vaccine, and that the highest degree of smallpox and death came up on the vaccinated, you will realize that smallpox vaccines could not have possibly eradicated anything except human health. And that vaccine is the ONLY vaccine credited for eradicating a single disease! It is just mythology.

    With vaccine mandates steamrolling every state in the USA and our rights being removed, while more and more toxic vaccines are added to the infant and childhood schedule, it is imperative that everyone understands why vaccination has been a crime against humanity from the very beginning. Please educate yourselves on the real facts to pass on to your patients and solidify your own arguments against vaccination.


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    Suzanne Humphries, MD
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    REFERENCES
    1 Aaby P, Simondon F, Samb B, Cisse B, Jensen H, Lisse IM, Soumaré M, Whittle H.Low mortality after mild measles infection compared to uninfected children in rural west Africa. Vaccine. 2002 Nov 22;21(1-2):120-6
    2 Large amounts of protein lost into the urine from the blood. It is characterized by proteinuria, hypoalbuminemia, hyperlipidemia, and edema.
    3 von Pirquet, C. Das verhalten der kutanen Tuberculin Reaktion wahrend Masern. Deutsche Medizinische Wochenschrilt, 1908. 34, 1297.
    4 BLUMBERG RW, CASSADY HA. Effect of measles on the nephrotic syndrome. Am J Dis Child. 1947 Feb;73(2):151-66.
    5 OBERG G. Effect of measles on the nephrotic syndrome. Upsala Lakareforen Forh. 1949 Mar 15;54(1-2):85-9.
    6 Gairdner D. A notable case of nephrosis. Arch Dis Child. 1978 May;53(5):363-5.
    7 Ibid.
    8 Mota HC. Infantile Hodgkin’s disease: remission after measles.Br Med J. 1973 May 19;2(5863):421.
    9 Bluming AZ, Ziegler: Regression of Burkitt’s lymphoma in association with measles infection. Lancet (1971) 2(7715):105-106
    10 Msaouel P, Iankov ID, Allen C, Morris JC, von Messling V, Cattaneo R, Koutsilieris M, Russell SJ, Galanis E. Engineered measles virus as a novel oncolytic therapy against prostate cancer. Prostate. 2009 Jan 1;69(1):82-91
    11 Albonico HU, Bräker HU, Hüsler J. Febrile infectious childhood diseases in the history of cancer patients and matched controls. Med Hypotheses. 1998 Oct;51(4):315-20.
    12 Measles Outbreak among Vaccinated High School Students – Illinois. MMWR weekly. June 22, 1984 / 33(24);349-51. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00000359.htm
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    I wonder what happens when an infant is injected with a known carcinogen.
    I wonder the incidence of blood cancer in children that have never been injected with mercury, aluminum, msg, formaldehyde, etc.

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    Odds of getting childhood leukemia: 35 in a a million. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6636a3.htm

    Odds of dying on a bicycle (not just children): 1 in 4000. http://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injur...odds-of-dying/

    How big was this "soaring increase" in ALL? From the OP:

    The incidence of ALL risen by 1 percent per year globally.
    Not much. Could also be due to better detection methods in addition to better treatment leading to more survival.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 05-26-2018 at 02:08 PM.

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    The most common types of cancer diagnosed in children ages 0 to 14 years in the United States are leukemias
    https://www.cancer.gov/types/childho...ers-fact-sheet
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    And they are still very rare in children because cancer in children is rare. From your source:

    Although cancer in children is rare, it is the leading cause of death by disease past infancy among children in the United States.In 2017, it is estimated that 15,270 children and adolescents ages 0 to 19 years will be diagnosed with cancer and 1,790 will die of the disease in the United States (1)
    There are 75 million kids under the age of 18 in the United States. https://datacenter.kidscount.org/dat...6,4693/419,420

    According to those numbers, odds of a child dying of cancer, one in 42,000. They are ten times more likely to die on a bicycle.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 05-26-2018 at 12:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    And they are still very rare in children because cancer in children is rare. From your source:



    There are 75 million kids under the age of 18 in the United States. https://datacenter.kidscount.org/dat...6,4693/419,420

    According to those numbers, odds of a child dying of cancer, one in 42,000. They are ten times more likely to die on a bicycle.
    How many children had decreased health that didn't reach the threshold of cancer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    How many children had decreased health that didn't reach the threshold of cancer?
    Decreased health due to what? How many kids got sick in a year?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Decreased health due to what?
    Due to the issues in the OP that cause some of the children to get cancer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Due to the issues in the OP that cause some of the children to get cancer.
    The OP article doesn't even say what percent of cancers he suspects may be caused by not getting exposed to other viruses and bacteria. Impossible to say. And the paper is behind a paywall but it does indicate only a small number. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41568-018-0015-6

    ALL evolves in two discrete steps. First, in utero initiation by fusion gene formation or hyperdiploidy generates a covert, pre-leukaemic clone. Second, in a small fraction of these cases, the postnatal acquisition of secondary genetic changes (primarily V(D)J recombination-activating protein (RAG) and activation-induced cytidine deaminase (AID)-driven copy number alterations in the case of ETS translocation variant 6 (ETV6)–runt-related transcription factor 1 (RUNX1)+ ALL) drives conversion to overt leukaemia.
    So we have potentially a small fraction of one in thirty four million cases.

    Risk is further modified by inherited genetics, chance and, probably, diet.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 05-26-2018 at 01:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The OP article doesn't even say what percent of cancers he suspects may be caused by not getting exposed to other viruses and bacteria. Impossible to say. And the paper is behind a paywall but it does indicate only a small number. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41568-018-0015-6



    So we have potentially a small fraction of one in thirty four million cases.
    And I asked how many children didn't get cancer but still had decreased health.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And I asked how many children didn't get cancer but still had decreased health.
    Guess you will have to conduct your own research. The article and paper don't even say what percent of the population is considered "bacterially or virally deficient". He is guessing that it is happening.


    Children who have a weak immunity due to lack of exposure to bacteria and common viruses, when exposed to them later may develop a second genetic mutation that raises their risk of getting leukemias and cancers.

    According to Greaves, his argument is supported by the fact that more and more affluent populations are seeing children with ALL.
    More affluent countries also have more resources to try to detect diseases like ALL which can result in finding more cases. Correlation is not necessarily causation. Pretty weak "proof" of a connection (can't read the paper so we don't know if there is more to it than that).

    Though other studies have shown that avoiding things like germs can make us more susseptable to them because we do not develop immunity against them. Does that apply to leukemia? Is it genetic/ environmental or is it virus caused? Or multi-factors?
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 05-26-2018 at 02:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Odds of getting childhood leukemia: 35 in a a million. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6636a3.htm

    Odds of dying on a bicycle (not just children): 1 in 4000. http://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injur...odds-of-dying/
    That sound like strong arguments to me.
    I would like to add the following:
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    While the dying rate from cervical cancer is only .23 per 10,000, the serious adverse event rate of Gardasil is 1 in 15 (7%) and a death rate among the vaccinated is 14 per 10,000
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    That sound like strong arguments to me.
    I would like to add the following: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6631578
    Death rate among vaccinated (and the unvaccinated) is actually 100%. Everybody dies. What were the causes of death in the anonymous (couldn't use their real name?) Gardacil study? (source of reported effects was a letter, not a study https://www.bmj.com/content/361/bmj.k2059/rr and is not supported by the links it contains:

    http://cochranelibrary-wiley.com/doi...9069.pub3/full

    There is high-certainty evidence that HPV vaccines protect against cervical precancer in adolescent girls and young women aged 15 to 26. The effect is higher for lesions associated with HPV16/18 than for lesions irrespective of HPV type. The effect is greater in those who are negative for hrHPV or HPV16/18 DNA at enrolment than those unselected for HPV DNA status. There is moderate-certainty evidence that HPV vaccines reduce CIN2+ in older women who are HPV16/18 negative, but not when they are unselected by HPV DNA status.

    We did not find an increased risk of serious adverse effects. The deaths reported in the studies have been judged not to be related to the vaccine.



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