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You want someone to put a gun to my head and force me to obey your will and wear your shackles or be beaten, caged, or killed. I don't care if the list of things you want to do that to me on is big or small, you're all the same. You petty dictators are the problem, not the solution. Free men do not need to be governed.
Depends on what you want, I suppose. Are you looking for someone who has principles but will be totally ignored? You have a wide choice (even though libertarians will never agree on what principles matter.)
Or are you looking for ratings and a tick up at the polling booth? Then, maybe Mark Cuban? The Rock??
Who knows? Does it even matter?
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
The differences between minarchists and anarchists don't make any difference until we reach minarchy and the anarchists want to go farther, but you don't want us to make any progress or even slow down the decline so you spread division and infighting and tell people not to support candidates that are far better than the alternative because the are supposedly not perfect.
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Tom Woods. PhD in History via Ivy League. He lives in Orlando (home of the LP convention?) He's short but his public speaking is 10/10.
If I was a statist, this would rock me back: YouTube - Michael Badnarik on liberty
If I was a statist, this would rock me back: YouTube - Michael Badnarik on liberty
We will keep vacillating on dipshits while the Dems and Repubs advance the police state. More cameras, drones, NSA, biometric markers, you know - standard fair... and then AI will take over the infrastructure they have built and $#@! us all up the ass real hard... But, hey, we are helping...
LOL... wishful dreams.
I have seen through it all... the system is against us. ALL OF IT.
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1. I'm not talking about anarchy. No one here is. I'm talking about libertarianism, a political philosophy founded on the idea that neither you nor the government have the right to initiate force against anyone. It is opposed to statism -the belief that you have the right to use violence to compel others to obey your orders- in all its forms, no matter whether the list of things you want to force others to do is big or small.
2. That you do not understand number one tells me two things. One, you don't understand anarchy or libertarianism. You constantly conflate the two. And two, it gives me a great deal of confidence in concluding that you do not understand minarchy either.
3. The differences between anarchy and minarchy are fundamental and foundational. Minarchists want to use violence against peaceful people in order to force them obey your orders and violate their freedom. Anarchists do not. Unlike you, anarchists have no list of demands that everyone else must obey or be beaten, caged, or killed for the "evil" of living as a free human being. Everything else flows from this truth.
In reality, there is not much difference between anarchy and libertarianism. Libertarians believe there is still some hope that a formal government can be completely voluntary and function without violating individual liberty. Anarchists are convinced otherwise. That is the only difference.
In contrast, minarchists are not different than Socialists and Fascists. All three ideologies are founded on the belief that you have the right to beat, cage, or kill others for the crime of disobeying the orders of those in power. The only different between the three is they argue over what things they should beat, cage, and kill people over. It is why minarchy is and always has been a fantasy. Once an organization can beat, cage, or kill you for disobeying it, the trend will always be towards totalitarianism. This, in short, is the history of American government, if you can say a government that holds over 5 million people in absolute slavery and uses its vast policing and military powers to compel even those opposed to slavery to support it was ever "small" or minarchist to begin with.
4. As for "supporting candidates," by now everyone with eyes should be able to see the failure of thinking somehow you'll be able to get the State to voluntarily surrender its power or that voting matters. You keep voting for evil and then act shocked when evil wins. It would be laughable if it weren't so damn sad with horrendous consequences.
5. You are not a minarchist anyway. No one who wants to expand the vast police state powers of the US government to hunt, track, beat, cage, and even kill over 11,000,000 people for a nonviolent "crime" could ever be described as minarchist. You are very much for the promotion and expansion of the powers of the State to brutalize, dominate, and steal the life, liberty, and property of private individuals. You're just another regressive Progressive.
Your lies and twistings don't deserve a response.
You constantly demonstrate that your purpose is to make it impossible to improve things by keeping those who want to reduce government divided and by pushing utopian nonsense that will scare away anyone who might otherwise be educated to work for the reduction of government, you also consistently defend leftists who want to increase the size, scope and power of government.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
What are you talking about? I'm not defending you in anyway.
As to everything else, ad hominem attacks are the kind of logical fallacies people start throwing out when they've reached the intellectual limits of their arguments and know there is no response but their pride won't let them "lose" so they turn to Plan B hoping no one will notice they failed.
So I guess we really are done for today.
Peter Schiff is a possibility. He's a good speaker, says that the Fed is printing out of control, loves gold, has authored 5+ books.
If I was a statist, this would rock me back: YouTube - Michael Badnarik on liberty
Mike Rowe.
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Three ideas! WELD/RYAN or JILLETTE/KOKESH or PAUL/PAUL ???
Again... depending on what message one wants or needs? Weld/Ryan cuts inroads into GOP and banks on the tax cut as it ignores the bigger national debt. RAND PAUL for POTUS has his own father being part of the loop in terms of security clearances when needing him for advice. Penn Jillette is level headed, Adam Kokesh is energetic and sincere.
Last edited by Aratus; 07-28-2018 at 10:14 PM.
Paul/Paul is my first choice, but probably 0% they would do it. After that I like Jillette/Kokesh or Jillette/X. Weld/Ryan has some issues. Ryan has talked of limited spending but it looks like he has been a puppet of the GOP spending machine all his career. Jillette is a name I'm most excited about. I don't know if he has any interest,
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Second for Dave Smith.
The office of the presidency is a joke. An actual comedian would make a good fit.
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