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    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/15/u...er-senate.html

    Haspel Likely To Be Confirmed After Telling Them What They Wanted To Hear Repudiating C.I.A. Torture

    Gina Haspel, President Trump’s nominee to lead the C.I.A., appeared on Tuesday likely to be confirmed after she declared that the agency should not have undertaken its interrogation program in which Qaeda detainees were tortured after the Sept. 11 attacks — a condemnation she refused to make at her confirmation hearing last week. In a letter to the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, Senator Mark Warner of Virginia, Ms. Haspel said one of the “hard lessons since 9/11” was the costs of the agency’s use of torture, which she called “enhanced interrogation.”

    “While I won’t condemn those that made these hard calls, and I have noted the valuable intelligence collected, the program ultimately did damage to our officers and our standing in the world,” she wrote. “With the benefit of hindsight and my experience as a senior agency leader, the enhanced interrogation program is not one the C.I.A. should have undertaken. The United States must be an example to the rest of the world, and I support that.”

    After receiving the letter, Mr. Warner announced on Tuesday afternoon that he would support her confirmation. Minutes later, another Democrat, Senator Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, said she, too, would vote for Ms. Haspel.



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    Rand about to be interview on FOX, better not be folding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Rand about to be interview on FOX, better not be folding.
    Rand doesn't fold, he decides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Rand about to be interview on FOX, better not be folding.
    I predicted about a week ago that if Haspel doesn't need Rand's vote she most likely won't get it. So her having the votes in a perverse way is a good thing.
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    Not a big surprise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I predicted about a week ago that if Haspel doesn't need Rand's vote she most likely won't get it. So her having the votes in a perverse way is a good thing.

    That isn't really a great prediction though. One didn't have anything to do with the other. Can you name a vote where Rand's vote was needed and he had a huge compromise? The only one can think of is maybe voting for skinny repeal on Obamacare. But I don't see that as a compromise.

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    I missed the interview, but judging by the headlines, he's still a Nay at the moment.

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    Rand says Assad most likely gassed his people. Hmmm. I'd like to see him debate Ron Paul on this issue.

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    Yeah. I don't think Rand cares so much who gassed them, as the plain fact we have no reason to stay. Maybe I don't understand him, but he seems like the kind of guy who will throw opposition a bone on particulars he deems unessential, in order to lull them into agreement or appear like a team player.
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    GOP Sen. Jeff Flake (Ariz.) announced Wednesday he will oppose the nomination of Gina Haspel, President Trump's pick to lead the CIA, citing her ties to the controversial "enhanced interrogation" program used during the George W. Bush administration.
    "Congress needs to be able to provide fully informed oversight. My questions about Ms. Haspel's role in the destruction of videotapes relevant to discussions occurring in Congress regarding the program have not been adequately answered," Flake said in a statement.

    More at: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...on-to-lead-cia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Yeah. I don't think Rand cares so much who gassed them, as the plain fact we have no reason to stay. Maybe I don't understand him, but he seems like the kind of guy who will throw opposition a bone on particulars he deems unessential, in order to lull them into agreement or appear like a team player.
    I felt that way initially, but that means he's lying. I don't know why he'd needlessly lie instead of just rephrasing his point.
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    The CIA has a new boss, and for the first time, it's a woman.

    On Thursday afternoon, despite vocal opposition from many senators over her involvement in the Bush-era "enhanced interrogation", i.e. torture, programs, the Senate confirmed Gina Haspel in a 54-45 vote as the next head of the CIA.
    In the end, support from Senate Democrats, including the Senate Intelligence Committee's vice chair Mark Warner, helped ensure Haspel's confirmation. She was previously approved by the Senate Intelligence Committee in a 10-5 vote early Wednesday in a closed-door session, paving the way for her confirmation.
    While close, this was not the narrowest of Trump nominee confirmations, with Betsy De Vos, Jeff Sessions and Scott Pruit all confirmed with a narrower margin.
    Haspel's 54-45 confirmation vote not the narrowest of Trump nominees: @BetsyDeVosED was confirmed 51-50, with @VP casting tie-breaking vote. Other narrow confirmation votes: -AG Sessions: 52-47 -@EPAScottPruitt 52-46 “Throughout the process, she demonstrated candor, integrity and a forthright approach to the committee's questions. She displayed the talent and expertise that make her uniquely qualified to face America’s biggest national security challenges, whether in the area of counterterrorism or renewed international competition among great powers,” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said ahead of Thursday's vote.
    Many disagreed: Republican Senators Rand Paul (Ky.) and Jeff Flake (Ariz.) sided with most Democrats in voting against Trump's controversial pick to replace Mike Pompeo. Sen. John McCain also opposed her nomination but was in Arizona battling brain cancer. Meanwhile, several Democrats including Sen. Mark Warner (Va.), the vice chairman of the Intelligence Committee, and red-state Democratic Sens. Joe Donnelly (Ind.), Joe Manchin (W.Va.) and Heidi Heitkamp (N.D.) supported the nominee.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...aspel-head-cia
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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Is this fake/photoshop or real?

    It's a real picture but I don't know if it's Gina Haspel.

    The picture has been around for a while, or looks strikingly close to another (the pose, lady and the dead man).
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    It's a real picture but I don't know if it's Gina Haspel.

    The picture has been around for a while, or looks strikingly close to another (the pose, lady and the dead man).
    Ya that is the one that has been floating around for a while..

    Also these..










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    How did Rand vote? Will @Matt Collins start another thread about how Rand doesn't understand politics 101? Stay tuned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Ya that is the one that has been floating around for a while..

    Also these..










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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    I remember the day the abu gravey news broke. Of all the freak $#@! to come out of Desert Land, that one struck me the most surreal for some reason.
    And American'ts for the most part said...meh.
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    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    How did Rand vote? Will @Matt Collins start another thread about how Rand doesn't understand politics 101? Stay tuned.
    Nay
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