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    Black Support For Trump Is Rising Into The Danger Zone For Democrats

    The latest YouGov/Economist poll (May 6-8), one of a few that comprehensively breaks down support by ethnicity, has some frightening news for the Democratic Party.
    While President Trump’s approval holds steady among registered voters at 41 percent, his support among blacks in this poll is striking. If it holds for 2020, it could be devastating for Democrats. Among African-Americans, 16 percent approve of Trump, 10 percent are not sure, and 75 percent disapprove.
    While that sounds highly negative, these are high positives for a Republican politician among black Americans. Approval of 16 percent is 8 points higher than the 8 percent of black voter support Trump received on election day 2016, and 9 points higher than the black vote Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney received in 2012. The “Not Sure” at 10 percent is staggering, and the 75 percent “disapprove” rating is consistent with the low 70 percent aggregate found in any YouGov poll among this demographic.
    The same poll, with their rounding, reported in January that Trump approval was at 10 percent among black Americans, 15 percent were not sure, and 74 percent disapproved, so the numbers are not only steady but improving in Trump’s favor.
    This result may actually be underreporting Trump’s black support, as this records “all voters,” which consistently has lower figures for Trump in all categories, as opposed to registered voters. YouGov/Economist gives Trump a 40 percent “All voters” approval rating four points lower than their registered voters findings (RealClearPolitics favors the registered voters results across the polling companies it reports).
    It’s Not Just One Poll, Either

    Of course, one polling company’s report could be a fluke. Some firms use different methodology, and some don’t break down approval ratings by ethnicity, but the bigger picture is clear.
    Marist’s March 19-21 approval for Trump among black Americans was 6 percent; 17 percent were unsure, and 77 percent disapproved. The Quinnipiac poll, which is consistently negative to Trump, on March 21 found black approval at 11 percent, “Don’t Know” at 4 percent, and disapproval at 84 percent. Taken in the aggregate, the three polls have Trump’s approval at 11 percent, at 12 percent for not sure or don’t know, and disapproval at 77 percent. Again, while the negatives are high, the positives are higher than is typical for Republicans, and if black Americans vote in accord with these approval ratings it would be easily enough to tip a tight election.


    The complete selected monthly figures below from the YouGov/Economist poll over time confirm the aggregate support for Trump at around 14 percent, well above the 8 percent he garnered on election day. The combined “Favorable/Don’t Know” aggregate of 26 percent allows for further growth in his support among black voters.
    Trump was at 17 percent favorability at the commencement of polling, which collapsed to 5 percent in the aftermath of the Charlottesville violence and Trump’s subsequent comments. As the memory has receded, nothing further of that sort happened, and job prospects are rising, polling shows blacks are once again moving to Trump. If you strip out the two “Charlottesville months,” the 16 percent approval looks more a bonfire than a beacon.


    More at: http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/11/...one-democrats/


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    "Leave your old plantation, come to ours."

  4. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    "Leave your old plantation, come to ours."
    If they get used to leaving plantations is that any worse than before?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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  5. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    "Leave your old plantation, come to ours."
    .............................................. excuse me? Kanye West told people to think for themselves.

  6. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainAmerica View Post
    .............................................. excuse me? Kanye West told people to think for themselves.
    He also said slavery was voluntary.

  7. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    He also said slavery was voluntary.
    Pretty sure he was talking about present-day "mental" slavery, i.e., *choosing* to stay on the Democrat plantation subjects a black man to slavery of the mind.
    1. Don't lie.
    2. Don't cheat.
    3. Don't steal.
    4. Don't kill.
    5. Don't commit adultery.
    6. Don't covet what your neighbor has, especially his wife.
    7. Honor your father and mother.
    8. Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.
    9. Don’t use your Higher Power's name in vain, or anyone else's.
    10. Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

    "For the love of money is the root of all evil..." -- I Timothy 6:10, KJV

  8. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    Pretty sure he was talking about present-day "mental" slavery, i.e., *choosing* to stay on the Democrat plantation subjects a black man to slavery of the mind.
    People who are very simple-minded like zippy don't understand complex ideas and concepts that require nuanced thought.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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  11. #9
    I just can't wait for the trannies to leave their plantation.

  12. #10
    How about don't go to any plantations and be an independent?
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    How about don't go to any plantations and be an independent?
    That would be good but if they move slower than that it is still an improvement.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  14. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    How about don't go to any plantations and be an independent?
    That's why I did. There is no way I'd vote for a gun grabber like Trump.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  15. #13
    What if E Warren runs as a black ?
    Do something Danke

  16. #14
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  17. #15
    Recent jump and upto 16-17% aprroval could be a troubling sign for Dems and this could potentially erase dreams of Dems clean sweep, offset some GOP Christian base loss due to porn star pay off/swamp Mueller investigation noises.

    Such strong reaction against most vocal Trump supporter KW probably reflects high unease about such trends:

    Snoop Dogg Throws Shade Parade for 'Uncle Tom' Kanye West and Kim Kardashian Over Trump Love

    By TooFab Staff | April 27, 2018



    Getty
    23 Scariest Things Trump Ever Said

    Snoop even goes so far as to compare "the evolution" of Kanye and Jay-Z, pointing to the influence of their respective wives.

    Kanye West has managed to divide nearly all of Hollywood over his recent love affair with President Donald Trump, but one celebrity in particular has been pushed to the absolute edge.

    Snoop Dogg has been vocal about his disapproval of Kanye's political and social stances since the latter began tweeting about his "love" for "brother" Trump, but after Kim Kardashian tweeted endlessly about her support for her "free thinker" husband, Snoop took the savagery to a whole new level.

    "The evolution of Jay-Z and Kanye show[s] you how influential your wife can be to your life," the rapper posted to Instagram Friday morning, giving a shoutout to his own wife -- Shante Broadus -- for "being [his] rock and keeping [him] straight."

    toofab.com/2018/04/27/snoop-d...an-trump-love/

    Chris Brown tears Kanye West to shreds over slavery comments: 'This man is a clown!'

    Carly Mallenbaum, USA TODAY Published May 1, 2018
    Before the last one had a chance to simmer down, Kanye West caused another stir, calling slavery a “choicein an interview Tuesday.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...ery/571111002/

    Barack Obama calls Kanye West a 'jackass' over Taylor Swift VMA invasion






  18. #16
    When do they begin cannibalizing each other for real?



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  20. #17
    15% is not exactly a landslide of support. That means 85% don't like you. "Unfavorable" is just one point below its all time high. "Favorable" also does not necessarily mean they would vote for him vs another candidate.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 05-13-2018 at 06:33 PM.

  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    15% is not exactly a landslide of support. That means 85% don't like you. "Unfavorable" is just one point below its all time high.
    It is a major shift in a voter block that has been a D monopoly for a long time.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It is a major shift in a voter block that has been a D monopoly for a long time.
    Not really.




  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Not really.



    Party Identification is not the same as voting record.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Party Identification is not the same as voting record.
    Neither is "approval ratings"- though "party identification" is a more reliable predictor of who they will actually want to vote for.

  25. #22
    Zip's right, the vast majority of the black voting block remains democrat.

    But what he misses, as usual, is the subtlety between the lines, and thus the point of this thread.

    The OP's point is valid:

    Again, while the negatives are high, the positives are higher than is typical for Republicans, and if black Americans vote in accord with these approval ratings it would be easily enough to tip a tight election.
    The democrats take for granted an almost total and monolithic bloc of voters in blacks.

    Blacks voted for O-bomb-ya in numbers approaching, statistically, near 100 percent.

    If that drops to 80 or 85 percent, it presents a real problem for the democrat party in tight races.

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Not really.


    There was also theories that polls are faked/manipulated by media owners employees and recent high approval numbers could be a "THANK YOU" to Trump from neocons owners/war crimes lobbies etc for Syria bombing, supporting Israel's killings of Palestinian protester civilians, boosting mideast weapons sales etc.

  27. #24
    Snoop Dogg has been vocal about his disapproval of Kanye's political and social stances since the latter began tweeting about his "love" for "brother" Trump, but after Kim Kardashian tweeted endlessly about her support for her "free thinker" husband, Snoop took the savagery to a whole new level.

    "The evolution of Jay-Z and Kanye show[s] you how influential your wife can be to your life," the rapper posted to Instagram Friday morning, giving a shoutout to his own wife -- Shante Broadus -- for "being [his] rock and keeping [him] straight."
    Sooo...what is he saying here?

    That being married to a white women instead of black woman, $#@!s your head up?



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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Sooo...what is he saying here?

    That being married to a white women instead of black woman, $#@!s your head up?
    Must be, didn't KK say she disagreed with Kanye about Trump though?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Must be, didn't KK say she disagreed with Kanye about Trump though?
    Haven't a clue what that fat assed broad says about anything.

    I'm just trying to pin Snoop down on his racism.

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Haven't a clue what that fat assed broad says about anything.

    I'm just trying to pin Snoop down on his racism.
    I agree, I just happened to see a headline about KK saying she disagreed with Kanye, if she disagrees then snoopy must be claiming that she drove Kanye nuts in a general sense since it can't have been direct influence on the subject of Trump.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  32. #28
    LOL@poll. Complete crap. Most black folks are still firmly on the Dem reservation.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  33. #29
    As the Democratic Party remains in the coma it entered in November 2016, President Donald Trump is performing his greatest magic trick.
    And he’s doing it right under their noses.

    Anyone who thinks that Trump’s decision to pardon boxer Jack Johnson and commute the sentence of the unfairly sentenced Alice Johnson wasn’t part of a greater plan is delusional.
    Donald Trump is wooing black voters.
    He doesn’t really have to do much: have the presidents of some of nation’s historically black colleges gather in the Oval for a photo op and watch them do it because their schools are struggling or dying.


    He does it by freeing the Johnsons – freeing the history of Jack and commuting the sentence of Alice.
    Anyone who thinks that Trump didn’t gain some black votes by those actions last week doesn’t understand the power of connecting with the disconnected.
    In Detroit, and other urban areas – where we can’t get more than 14 to 20 percent of registered voters to turn out for an election – and where many people still love Kanye West whether he thinks slavery was a choice or R. Kelly, who is escaping jail by inexplicable means – Trump may be resonating.
    And now he’s considering pardoning Muhammad Ali, who doesn’t need his support, but that won’t stop Trump from claiming that he saved his reputation.
    (Ali's draft evasion conviction was overturned. The Supreme Court did it twice in 1971. Six years later, then President Jimmy Carter pardoned every objector who declined the draft. After Trump floated the idea, an attorney for the estate said “We appreciate President Trump’s sentiment, but a pardon is unnecessary. The U.S. Supreme Court overturned the conviction of Muhammad Ali in a unanimous decision in 1971. There is no conviction from which a pardon is needed,” said Ron Tweel, lawyer for the boxer’s estate and his widow, Lonnie.
    It is one more distraction, among a series of distractions from federal investigations that Trump has tried. He also has tried threatening to fire people. He has even raised the idea of pardoning himself.
    But, fearing little, he’s now working on his re-election campaign.
    Oh, you missed that? Most people did. When Trump announced, it was barely a blip on the national radar. He announced it while being federally investigated and waving off charges that his family is benefiting from his being in office. He had raised $10 million by April.
    And the NAACP didn’t march.
    And the Urban League didn’t put out a statement.
    And in Detroit, no one said a word.
    While the Democratic Party is sleeping, focused on winning November’s midterms rather than uniting behind a single 2020 candidate to challenge Trump, the president is wooing black voters with the help of Kim Kardashian who’s married to the Mad Rapper and has 60 million Twitter followers, many of whom are black.


    Donald Trump is succeeding at something few people thought possible. He is getting some black people to compare him to Barack Obama. Obama didn’t get Alice Johnson out of jail. Obama didn’t pardon Jack, even though Ken Burns asked him to and produced an entire documentary explaining why.
    Donald Trump isn’t killing the Republican Party.
    He is killing the Democratic Party.


    Trump is wooing black voters by accepting the friendship of people like the comedian Steve Harvey, who believes that wealthy is a choice, and Kanye, who believes that slavery was a choice.
    By pardoning the Johnsons, Trump ramped up his efforts to woo black voters. I can imagine he thought pardoning Ali would connect him with many more.
    Instead, he should ask Kim Kardashian for the names of about 100,000 other people, mostly black, in prison for long terms that were inhumane. There are plenty of folks who could deserve what he gave Alice Johnson.

    If they’re not careful, the Dems will look up and realize that the black base they’ve taken for granted for decades, might not be as enthusiastic as in the past.

    More at: https://www.freep.com/story/news/col...ers/684898002/
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  34. #30
    This won't help- coming a week after he cancelled a visit by the Super Bowl winning Eagles. (Statement made before the series was ended tonight)

    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...on-white-house

    President Donald Trump won't invite NBA champion to White House

    President Donald Trump told reporters on Friday morning that "we're not going to invite either team," referring to the Golden State Warriors and Cleveland Cavaliers, for a visit to the White House.

    On Tuesday, LeBron James said neither his Cavaliers nor the Warriors would accept a visit as a winner of the NBA Finals.

    "I know no matter who wins this series, no one wants an invite anyway. It won't be Cleveland or Golden State going," James said.

    Warriors stars Stephen Curry and Kevin Durant said they agreed with James.

    In remarks prior to Game 4 on Friday night, Warriors coach Steve Kerr said, "Man, it's Game 4 of the Finals. We're going to focus on the game tonight. So, thank you for asking."

    When asked by ESPN's Stephen A. Smith about Trump's statement before Friday's game, NBA commissioner David Silver said his "first reaction is one of sadness."

    "Championship teams, not just in our sport, but in other sports aren't getting to celebrate in that way, something that has historically been apolitical in Washington, but I have to put it in the greater context of where we find our country," Silver said. "I would say though ultimately it saddens me because historically we've been able to use the NBA and all of sports to bring people together."
    More at link.

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