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    Black Support For Trump Is Rising Into The Danger Zone For Democrats

    The latest YouGov/Economist poll (May 6-8), one of a few that comprehensively breaks down support by ethnicity, has some frightening news for the Democratic Party.
    While President Trump’s approval holds steady among registered voters at 41 percent, his support among blacks in this poll is striking. If it holds for 2020, it could be devastating for Democrats. Among African-Americans, 16 percent approve of Trump, 10 percent are not sure, and 75 percent disapprove.
    While that sounds highly negative, these are high positives for a Republican politician among black Americans. Approval of 16 percent is 8 points higher than the 8 percent of black voter support Trump received on election day 2016, and 9 points higher than the black vote Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney received in 2012. The “Not Sure” at 10 percent is staggering, and the 75 percent “disapprove” rating is consistent with the low 70 percent aggregate found in any YouGov poll among this demographic.
    The same poll, with their rounding, reported in January that Trump approval was at 10 percent among black Americans, 15 percent were not sure, and 74 percent disapproved, so the numbers are not only steady but improving in Trump’s favor.
    This result may actually be underreporting Trump’s black support, as this records “all voters,” which consistently has lower figures for Trump in all categories, as opposed to registered voters. YouGov/Economist gives Trump a 40 percent “All voters” approval rating four points lower than their registered voters findings (RealClearPolitics favors the registered voters results across the polling companies it reports).
    It’s Not Just One Poll, Either

    Of course, one polling company’s report could be a fluke. Some firms use different methodology, and some don’t break down approval ratings by ethnicity, but the bigger picture is clear.
    Marist’s March 19-21 approval for Trump among black Americans was 6 percent; 17 percent were unsure, and 77 percent disapproved. The Quinnipiac poll, which is consistently negative to Trump, on March 21 found black approval at 11 percent, “Don’t Know” at 4 percent, and disapproval at 84 percent. Taken in the aggregate, the three polls have Trump’s approval at 11 percent, at 12 percent for not sure or don’t know, and disapproval at 77 percent. Again, while the negatives are high, the positives are higher than is typical for Republicans, and if black Americans vote in accord with these approval ratings it would be easily enough to tip a tight election.


    The complete selected monthly figures below from the YouGov/Economist poll over time confirm the aggregate support for Trump at around 14 percent, well above the 8 percent he garnered on election day. The combined “Favorable/Don’t Know” aggregate of 26 percent allows for further growth in his support among black voters.
    Trump was at 17 percent favorability at the commencement of polling, which collapsed to 5 percent in the aftermath of the Charlottesville violence and Trump’s subsequent comments. As the memory has receded, nothing further of that sort happened, and job prospects are rising, polling shows blacks are once again moving to Trump. If you strip out the two “Charlottesville months,” the 16 percent approval looks more a bonfire than a beacon.


    More at: http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/11/...one-democrats/


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    "Leave your old plantation, come to ours."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    "Leave your old plantation, come to ours."
    If they get used to leaving plantations is that any worse than before?
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    I just can't wait for the trannies to leave their plantation.

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    How about don't go to any plantations and be an independent?
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    How about don't go to any plantations and be an independent?
    That would be good but if they move slower than that it is still an improvement.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    What if E Warren runs as a black ?
    Do something Danke

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    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Recent jump and upto 16-17% aprroval could be a troubling sign for Dems and this could potentially erase dreams of Dems clean sweep, offset some GOP Christian base loss due to porn star pay off/swamp Mueller investigation noises.

    Such strong reaction against most vocal Trump supporter KW probably reflects high unease about such trends:

    ...............

    His mental stress might have started way before his wife KKardasian started collaborating with Jarvanka (not on Syria bombing projects) and he started supporting Trump. Kind of unfortunate attacks he has faced from left field in past/present times calling him 'jackass', 'mentally ill', 'uncle tom' etc. bound to cause anguish.




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    Snoop even goes so far as to compare "the evolution" of Kanye and Jay-Z, pointing to the influence of their respective wives.

    Kanye West has managed to divide nearly all of Hollywood over his recent love affair with President Donald Trump, but one celebrity in particular has been pushed to the absolute edge.

    Snoop Dogg has been vocal about his disapproval of Kanye's political and social stances since the latter began tweeting about his "love" for "brother" Trump, but after Kim Kardashian tweeted endlessly about her support for her "free thinker" husband, Snoop took the savagery to a whole new level.

    "The evolution of Jay-Z and Kanye show[s] you how influential your wife can be to your life," the rapper posted to Instagram Friday morning, giving a shoutout to his own wife -- Shante Broadus -- for "being [his] rock and keeping [him] straight."

    http://toofab.com/2018/04/27/snoop-d...an-trump-love/

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    When do they begin cannibalizing each other for real?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    How about don't go to any plantations and be an independent?
    That's why I did. There is no way I'd vote for a gun grabber like Trump.
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    15% is not exactly a landslide of support. That means 85% don't like you. "Unfavorable" is just one point below its all time high. "Favorable" also does not necessarily mean they would vote for him vs another candidate.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 05-13-2018 at 06:33 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    15% is not exactly a landslide of support. That means 85% don't like you. "Unfavorable" is just one point below its all time high.
    It is a major shift in a voter block that has been a D monopoly for a long time.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It is a major shift in a voter block that has been a D monopoly for a long time.
    Not really.



    Donald Trump: 'What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening'

    "Truth isn't truth"- Rudy Giuliani

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Not really.



    Party Identification is not the same as voting record.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Party Identification is not the same as voting record.
    Neither is "approval ratings"- though "party identification" is a more reliable predictor of who they will actually want to vote for.
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    Snoop Dogg has been vocal about his disapproval of Kanye's political and social stances since the latter began tweeting about his "love" for "brother" Trump, but after Kim Kardashian tweeted endlessly about her support for her "free thinker" husband, Snoop took the savagery to a whole new level.

    "The evolution of Jay-Z and Kanye show[s] you how influential your wife can be to your life," the rapper posted to Instagram Friday morning, giving a shoutout to his own wife -- Shante Broadus -- for "being [his] rock and keeping [him] straight."
    Sooo...what is he saying here?

    That being married to a white women instead of black woman, $#@!s your head up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Neither is "approval ratings".
    If you don't like apples to oranges comparisons don't start them.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Sooo...what is he saying here?

    That being married to a white women instead of black woman, $#@!s your head up?
    Must be, didn't KK say she disagreed with Kanye about Trump though?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    If you don't like apples to oranges comparisons don't start them.
    Like the OP tries to?
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 05-13-2018 at 06:58 PM.
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    Zip's right, the vast majority of the black voting block remains democrat.

    But what he misses, as usual, is the subtlety between the lines, and thus the point of this thread.

    The OP's point is valid:

    Again, while the negatives are high, the positives are higher than is typical for Republicans, and if black Americans vote in accord with these approval ratings it would be easily enough to tip a tight election.
    The democrats take for granted an almost total and monolithic bloc of voters in blacks.

    Blacks voted for O-bomb-ya in numbers approaching, statistically, near 100 percent.

    If that drops to 80 or 85 percent, it presents a real problem for the democrat party in tight races.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Like the OP tries to?
    If you think the OP is comparing apples to oranges make your case, don't add cucumbers to the mix.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    If you think the OP is comparing apples to oranges make your case, don't add cucumbers to the mix.
    From the OP:

    and if black Americans vote in accord with these approval ratings it would be easily enough to tip a tight election.
    Big if there.

    Approval does not necessarily translate into votes. In 2003, George W. Bush had a 32% positive approval rating from black voters- twice what Trump currently has.

    http://media.gallup.com/GPTB/goverPubli/20030701b_1.gif



    In the 2004 election, just eleven percent of them actually voted for him.

    https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/poll...ps-voted-2004/

    But AF is right- in the last election, Democrats simply assumed that certain groups would vote for them no matter what. Trump didn't and that is how he squeaked out his victory.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 05-13-2018 at 07:06 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Approval does not necessarily translate into votes. In 2003, George W. Bush had a 32% positive approval rating from black voters- twice what Trump currently has.

    http://media.gallup.com/GPTB/goverPubli/20030701b_1.gif



    In the 2004 election, just eleven percent of them actually voted for him.

    https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/poll...ps-voted-2004/

    But AF is right- in the last election, Democrats simply assumed that certain groups would vote for them no matter what. Trump didn't and that is how he squeaked out his victory.
    Let's look at 2004 compared to 2004:

    Wednesday, October 20, 2004; Page A08
    A significant number of black Americans -- 18 percent -- said they are willing to vote for President Bush, even though his job-approval ratings in the community are quite low, according to a national opinion survey released yesterday by the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, an African American think tank.

    In the survey, Bush received a 22 percent approval rating, while 67 percent rated him unfavorably.

    The center's 2000 survey was accurate within one percentage point of how black Americans would vote for Bush. But it was short by 16 percentage points on how they would vote for Gore. Still, David A. Bositis, who wrote the poll, said he did not think Bush "will get 18 percent, but he's definitely going to increase his numbers. I think it will be between 12 and 15 percent."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Oct19.html
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Approval does not necessarily translate into votes. In 2003, George W. Bush had a 32% positive approval rating from black voters- twice what Trump currently has.
    Which the OP understands, and was very careful to phrase it that way:

    and if black Americans vote in accord with these approval ratings it would be easily enough to tip a tight election.
    But AF is right- in the last election, Democrats simply assumed that certain groups would vote for them no matter what. Trump didn't and that is how he squeaked out his victory.
    Which is why I am pretty dismal about future prospects.

    I am not a Trump or GOP fanboi by any means, but clearly they are, for the most part, better than the alternatives, especially since the Bolshevik left is now emboldened to the point that they are running open and unabashed communist authoritarians, and winning.

    Like a swarm of Africanized bees, the Bolshevik left has been poked and prodded into a fury by the audacity of Trump's win, and they have legions of fellow statists chomping at the bit to vote against anything or anybody GOP or Trump.

    And there are many millions more of them than of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Which the OP understands, and was very careful to phrase it that way:





    Which is why I am pretty dismal about future prospects.

    I am not a Trump or GOP fanboi by any means, but clearly they are, for the most part, better than the alternatives, especially since the Bolshevik left is now emboldened to the point that they are running open and unabashed communist authoritarians, and winning.

    Like a swarm of Africanized bees, the Bolshevik left has been poked and prodded into a fury by the audacity of Trump's win, and they have legions of fellow statists chomping at the bit to vote against anything or anybody GOP or Trump.

    And there are many millions more of them than of us.
    They are alienating their own moderates, there will be no blue wave.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  31. #27
    LOL@poll. Complete crap. Most black folks are still firmly on the Dem reservation.
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  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Must be, didn't KK say she disagreed with Kanye about Trump though?
    Haven't a clue what that fat assed broad says about anything.

    I'm just trying to pin Snoop down on his racism.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are alienating their own moderates, there will be no blue wave.
    I was wrong about Trump.

    I hope I am wrong again.

    But I'm not making wagers.

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Not really.


    There was also theories that polls are faked/manipulated by media owners employees and recent high approval numbers could be a "THANK YOU" to Trump from neocons owners/war crimes lobbies etc for Syria bombing, supporting Israel's killings of Palestinian protester civilians, boosting mideast weapons sales etc.

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