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Will Rand cave on the Gina Haspel confirmation too?
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More interesting question would be how many calls to Trump and Haspel he will make before he flips.
Better not.
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Yep
I would have said the same about Pompeo right up to the minute it happened.
Now, I wouldn't be surprised either way, which is itself a sad state of affairs.
In wasn't clear to me at all that he would vote against Pompeo despite what he was saying publicly. Here is what I said (in a thread you made about Rand) five days before the vote when Rand was making the rounds in the press. There were a lot of political reasons to vote for Pompeo with no basically no political upside in voting against him. Haspel is a much easier no and that vote is actually close.
What were those?
As I saw it, the major effect of the vote was to inform Rand's friends and foes that he's unreliable and easily conned.
I highly doubt he will.
yes he will. He read a fake news story about how she participated in torture and destroyed tapes. Both claims have been retracted.
I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.
Who was spreading these fake news?
Gina Haspel dindunuffin
Zero percent chance he votes for her and I am sure Matt knows this.
If it follows some other recent votes he'll talk to her, she'll promise never to do it again, and that will be enough.
Oh she already has said that "Gina Haspel Vows She Won’t Allow Torture if She’s Confirmed to Run the C.I.A."
I think he'll vote for her
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It's kind of odd that our standard for acceptable politicians has become: will you imprison and torture people without trial?
...maybe it's just me.
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With all the sensitivity training on the rise maybe it is time we did one for congress. "The supreme law of the land aka. The Constitution" and "Why $#@!ing Your Fellow Citizens Is A Bad Idea"
It would be better to just dismiss them (they aren't really up to the task).
Sure, but we would have to make sure the future talent knows about these rules as well.
3 weeks ago I would have said he will never vote for Pompeo...
Exactly my point.
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No he didn't. Source please.
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He thought 3 weeks ago that Rand wouldn't have voted for Pompeo, he isn't claiming Rand said he wouldn't vote for Pompeo.
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"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
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"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
You're right. My bad.
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Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
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"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Just like Pompeo - if they need his vote, they will offer him something to get his vote.
We'll never know what it was with Pompeo, but I'm sure there was something that Rand was given. Not a personal thing, but some assurance that something he wants would get through.
I doubt they'd offer very much for Haspel - so I'm saying Rand is a "no" vote. Unfortunately, Rand is a double-edged sword. Unlike his father, Rand is willing to bend his principles on one matter if can get a return on another matter. That's a bad thing and a good thing, depending on how you look at it.
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They didn't need the vote on Pompeo. That was one of the easier confirms that Trump has had. They actually didn't even need it in committee. I think completely opposite. Had they needed his vote Rand would have almost certainly voted against Pompeo.
I doubt he was given anything. I think it was a simple as Trump made an issue of it in the press and really wanted Rand's vote. He didn't want the embarrassment of the guy having to bypass going through committee. Rand didn't want to be on the outs with Trump with only an inconsequential vote that no one will appreciate to show for it.
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Rand failed politics 101: private promises mean nothing.
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Actually, Matt... Rand passed politics 101 with flying colors. And that's the problem.
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This will be used to try to convince Rand...
Rand Paul Explains His Surprise Vote For Chuck Hagel
"The president gets to choose political appointees," Paul says.
February 26, 2013
WASHINGTON — Kentucky Senator Rand Paul said his support for a filibuster against Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel never meant that he would vote against Hagel's confirmation.
"I voted no because I wanted more information and I think that part of what the Senate does is try to get information about the nominees," Paul told reporters in the basement of the Capitol after Hagel's confirmation Tuesday. "I've said all along that I give the president some prerogative in choosing his political appointees."
"There are many things I disagree with Chuck Hagel on, there are many things I disagree with John Kerry on, there are very few things I agree with the president on, but the president gets to choose political appointees," Paul said.
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https://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/r...or-chuck-hagel
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I say there is an 80% chance Rand will vote no. It should be 100% though.
I didn't really care if Rand voted for Pompeo; my problem was the spectacle he made over it. Rand is increasingly being seen as someone who pulls stunts instead of standing on principles. So relatively speaking, it wasn't that big of a deal even though I didn't like it.
In this case though, I don't see how Rand can justify it just listening to her testimony. It will fundamentally change my opinion of him if he votes to confirm her.
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