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Thread: Will Rand cave on the Gina Haspel confirmation too?

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    It would be very shocking to me if Rand votes to confirm.

    Why Isn’t Gina Haspel Coming Clean About Torture?
    Because everybody else, including congress and the executive branch, had their heads up their asses at the time. Why single her out?



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    3 weeks ago I would have said he will never vote for Pompeo...
    No he didn't. Source please.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

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    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    No he didn't. Source please.
    He thought 3 weeks ago that Rand wouldn't have voted for Pompeo, he isn't claiming Rand said he wouldn't vote for Pompeo.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    He thought 3 weeks ago that Rand wouldn't have voted for Pompeo, he isn't claiming Rand said he wouldn't vote for Pompeo.
    You're right. My bad.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    You're right. My bad.
    Jumping the gun, again?

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Jumping the gun, again?
    Be nice to JM, he's a good guy, I know him in real life.
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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Be nice to JM, he's a good guy, I know him in real life.
    I know he's a nice guy, just a bit trigger happy.

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    I know he's a nice guy, just a bit trigger happy.
    Fair enough. But I was shocked at how casually someone with more +rep than most would openly advocate murder of me and mine for no reason whatsoever. Racism I get. Mass murder I do not. Trigger happy? If this country keeps going the way it's headed I may need to get one.

    Edit: And I know I'm crossing threads here, but I'm responding to your "again" part. As for Matt on Rand, we had a previous discussion where it turned out that Matt was basing his view on what he thought Rand said as opposed to what was said. I see in this case Matt is basing it on what he thought Rand would do as opposed to what he thought Rand would say. As for me I don't have the same expectations of Rand.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 05-11-2018 at 01:45 PM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Be nice to JM, he's a good guy, I know him in real life.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  12. #40
    So will she be confirmed? 2 GOP against, one Dem in favor

    http://wfpl.org/rand-paul-still-oppo...ation-program/
    After an event in Louisville, Paul said he wasn’t convinced by Haspel’s testimony and that she shouldn’t be “rewarded” for her involvement in the program.

    “I think that people, after the fact when they’re struggling to get a nomination, will say a lot of things. She struggled to say though whether it was immoral even today,” Paul said.

    “To my mind, torturing people is immoral and something we shouldn’t do. It’s against the Geneva Convention, it’s against American principles.”

    Haspel ran a secret CIA prison in Thailand during the administration of President George W. Bush.

    Paul is one of two Senate Republicans so far who openly oppose Haspel’s confirmation. Arizona Sen. John McCain released a statement earlier this week calling Haspel’s role in the interrogation program “disturbing” and urging the Senate to reject her nomination.

    One Democrat, West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin said he would support her.
    New York Times: Until Gina Haspel Denounces Torture, She Shouldn’t Lead the C.I.A.
    (In case you forgot: Words are more important than actions)



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  14. #41
    annnnnnd Rand stood firm.
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  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    annnnnnd Rand stood firm.
    I wonder if we could get a moneybomb together to @Matt Collins could take a bus to teach him Politics 101?
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  16. #43
    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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