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    You know iíd be inclined to believe that Iran was cheating on the deal if the US and Isreal didnít spend the last 25-30 years demonizing them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    You know iíd be inclined to believe that Iran was cheating on the deal if the US and Isreal didnít spend the last 25-30 years demonizing them.
    Iran's never been forgiven for taking it's country back in 1979, after the 1953 US/Brit coup of their democratically elected PM.

    Stupid PM wanted freedom and for his people to own their own oil- can't have that now can we.
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    The Constitution wins. The agreement is a treaty, regardless of what they call it, and it should've been approved by the Senate.

    Obama posterity loses. It was a poorly negotiated deal and doing away with it will do no harm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Otis, Jr. View Post
    The Constitution wins. The agreement is a treaty, regardless of what they call it, and it should've been approved by the Senate.

    Obama posterity loses. It was a poorly negotiated deal and doing away with it will do no harm.
    Congress did pass it.

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-...ouse-bill/1191

    Plus there has been no congressional voting on the US unconstitutional wars since WWII. The US overthrew Iran's PM in 1953- who voted for and should answer for that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Stupid PM wanted freedom and for his people to own their own oil- can't have that now can we.
    You mean, he was an anti-immigrant socialist?

    Not saying we should have toppled him for it, but I dunno if he was the pinnacle of freedom.
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    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Congress did pass it.

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-...ouse-bill/1191

    Plus there has been no congressional voting on the US unconstitutional wars since WWII. The US overthrew Iran's PM in 1953- who voted for and should answer for that?
    You sure you got the right bill?

    This bill amends the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 to direct the President, within five days after reaching an agreement with Iran regarding Iran's nuclear program, to transmit to Congress:

    • the text of the agreement and all related materials and annexes;
    • a related verification assessment report of the Secretary of State;
    • a certification that the agreement includes the appropriate terms, conditions, and duration of the agreement's requirements concerning Iran's nuclear activities, and provisions describing any sanctions to be waived, suspended, or otherwise reduced by the United States and any other nation or entity, including the United Nations; and
    • a certification that the agreement meets U.S. non-proliferation objectives, does not jeopardize the common defense and security, provides a framework to ensure that Iran's nuclear activities will not constitute an unreasonable defense and security risk, and ensures that Iran's permitted nuclear activities will not be used to further any nuclear-related military or nuclear explosive purpose, including any related research.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    You sure you got the right bill?
    Reading is your friend:

    Specified deferrals, waivers, or other suspensions of statutory sanctions are excepted from such prohibitions.

    It is the sense of Congress that:

    the sanctions regime imposed on Iran by Congress is primarily responsible for bringing Iran to the table to negotiate on its nuclear program;

    these negotiations are a critically important matter of national security and foreign policy for the United States and its closest allies;
    this Act does not require a vote by Congress for the agreement to commence;
    this Act provides for congressional review, including for approval, disapproval, or no action on statutory sanctions relief under an agreement; and
    even though the agreement may commence, because the sanctions regime was imposed by Congress and only Congress can permanently modify or eliminate that regime, it is critically important that Congress have the opportunity to consider and take action affecting the statutory sanctions regime.
    An action involving statutory sanctions relief by the United States pursuant to an agreement or the Joint Plan of Action:

    may be taken if, during the review period, Congress enacts a joint resolution stating that Congress favors the agreement;
    may not be taken if, during the review period, Congress enacts a joint resolution stating that Congress does not favor the agreement; or
    may be taken if, following the review period, there is not enacted any such joint resolution.
    The President shall keep Congress fully and currently informed of all aspects of Iranian compliance with respect to an agreement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You mean, he was an anti-immigrant socialist?

    Not saying we should have toppled him for it, but I dunno if he was the pinnacle of freedom.
    Like we are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Reading is your friend:
    Couldn't agree more. Why don't you highlight the section of the bill which was not observed by POTUS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Couldn't agree more. Why don't you highlight the section of the bill which was not observed by POTUS?
    I'll let you do that- and while your at it, watch Ron Paul's video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    I'll let you do that- and while your at it, watch Ron Paul's video.
    Apparently I don't think the section exists. It is you who claims otherwise. I am starting to feel sorry for your students. Do you often remind them about your vows?
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    Ron Paul: Political Moves Behind Iran Deal

    written by rpi staff thursday april 16, 2015

    Senate leadership pretends to be defending the constitutional authority of the Legislative Branch in demanding an up or down vote on any deal President Obama makes on Iran. But of course this is just a cover for their real intent to blow up any deal that would lift sanctions, show Iran to be a rational actor, and move regime change off the table. The problem is this is not a US-Iran bilateral agreement. It is an international deal that, if Congress has its way, would result in sanctions being lifted on Iran by all its major trading partners except the US. In his Liberty Report, Ron Paul discusses the new compromise legislation that passed in the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee this week and what we might expect in the coming clash between Obama and the neocons:


    http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arch...ind-iran-deal/

    You can watch Ron talk about this at the link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Apparently I don't think the section exists. It is you who claims otherwise. I am starting to feel sorry for your students. Do you often remind them about your vows?
    Insults means you have no argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Reading is your friend:
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Insults means you have no argument.
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