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    Mormons severing all ties with Boy Scouts

    The Mormon church said Tuesday it will sever all ties with the Boy Scouts of America at the end of next year and place its remaining 425,000 boys into a gospel-focused youth program it is developing. The move ends a nearly century-old relationship that was based on their shared values.The announcement by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and Boy Scouts didn't come as a complete surprise after the religion last year removed 185,000 boys between the ages of 14 and 18, signaling that an end to the long-time alliance was near.
    Joining the Boy Scouts is practically automatic among Mormon boys, and the religion has long been the biggest sponsor of Boy Scout troops in the United States. The Mormon boys who will be leaving represent about 18.5 percent of the 2.3 million youth in the organization.
    The Mormon church said in a statement that the move is about creating its own youth program that it can use for its increasingly global membership, but the two organizations' values clearly have been diverging in recent years.
    The Boy Scouts decided in 2015 to allow gay troop leaders and announced last year it would allow girls in its ranks. Last week, the organization said it will change the name of its flagship program next year to Scouts BSA to account for the inclusion of girls.
    Like other conservative faiths, the Mormon church opposes gay marriage and teaches that being in a homosexual relationship is a sin. The church initially said it was "deeply troubled" by the Boy Scouts' policy change on gays but stayed with the organization after receiving assurances it could appoint troop leaders according to its own religious and moral values.
    The religion has also traditionally used separate youth programs for boys and girls.
    The Mormon church said in a statement the new program that will start in 2020 will "help all girls and boys, young women and young men discover their eternal identity, build character and resilience, develop life skills and fulfill their divine roles as daughters and sons of God."

    More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/mormons-s...010230135.html
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    Somebody should start the OG Boy Scouts of America
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

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    help all girls and boys, young women and young men discover their eternal identity
    I don't think anybody has ever accused the LDS Church of not being clever.
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    Girl Scouts have always been open to homosexuals. I wonder if they're sponsored GSA troops.
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    I don't blame them at all.
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    Now if only everyone else could pull their kids out of the BSA and into another program to put an end to them once and for all.



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    There are some good alternatives. My kids were in one as well as all the families in our local home schoolers coop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I don't think anybody has ever accused the LDS Church of not being clever.
    You're not very well read, then.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Somebody should start the OG Boy Scouts of America
    Any values the Boy Scouts ever brought to the table were for the express purpose of making better vassals of the state.
    That's documented, in black-and-white, and unmistakable.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Learn something every day . I had no idea mormons all joined Scouts . I only really knew about four real well when I was young and I do not think any of them were .

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    The Boy Scouts have decided to accept people who identify as gay and lesbian among their ranks. And girls are welcome now, too, into the iconic organization, which has renamed itself Scouts BSA.


    So what’s next?
    A mandate that condoms be made available to “all participants” of its global gathering.
    It’s among the demands of the World Scout Committee for any host country of a World Scout Jamboree.
    That would include the 24th World Scout Jamboree, scheduled July 21-Aug. 1, 2019, in West Virginia.
    The Scouts say: “For the first time, a world jamboree will be hosted by three national Scout organizations: Scouts Canada, Asociación de Scouts de México, and the Boy Scouts of America. These three distinct cultures will join together to host the world Scouting community in a celebration of cultural exchange, mutual understanding, peace, and friendship.”
    With condoms.
    Commenting on the condom policy, John Stemberger, president of the Florida Family Policy Council, wrote that “it is not clear how far down the rabbit hole the Boy Scouts will continue to fall.”
    “With the addition of condoms and alcohol, the World Jamboree is starting to sound more like a 1960s Woodstock festival rather than a campout that parents would want to send their children to!”
    Stemberger also serves as chairman of the board for Trail Live USA, an alternative to the Scouts that continues to abide by the Boy Scout motto: “On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the scout law; to help other people at all times; to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight.”

    http://www.wnd.com/2018/05/condoms-r...orld-jamboree/
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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Any values the Boy Scouts ever brought to the table were for the express purpose of making better vassals of the state.
    That's documented, in black-and-white, and unmistakable.
    LOL, someone doesn't know what the hell they are talking about
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    LOL, someone doesn't know what the hell they are talking about
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Girl Scouts have always been open to homosexuals. I wonder if they've sponsored GSA troops.
    Nope, never did. Girl Scouts was kind of a feminist-communist reaction to the masculine, semi-reactionary and definitely at least strongly right-wing Boy Scouts. Or if it wasn't originally, quickly became such. Maybe just because it was smaller org. Also: female. Boy Scouts took longer to infiltrate and infect with the poz (HIV positive). But, take over they have, and quite completely, at the top levels of leadership. That's what these people do. Very hard to stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    LOL, someone doesn't know what the hell they are talking about
    I see you've never served in the BSA. Did it for a while myself. Nothing but flag worshiping propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Any values the Boy Scouts ever brought to the table were for the express purpose of making better vassals of the state.
    That's documented, in black-and-white, and unmistakable.
    Yep, which is a big reason why the LDS Church is breaking with the Scouts. Not that Mormons will do any less flag worshiping, but the leaders of the Church recognize that an international church needs a uniform international program. There have been rumors they've been working on something for a while now, and it seems like it'll be ready in the next couple of years, which is when the LDS Church will fully break with the BSA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    I see you've never served in the BSA. Did it for a while myself. Nothing but flag worshiping propaganda.
    There was much more than Patriotism taught in the scouts, all the virtues were taught.


    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    Yep, which is a big reason why the LDS Church is breaking with the Scouts. Not that Mormons will do any less flag worshiping, but the leaders of the Church recognize that an international church needs a uniform international program. There have been rumors they've been working on something for a while now, and it seems like it'll be ready in the next couple of years, which is when the LDS Church will fully break with the BSA.
    The scouts have local versions in countries all around the globe, the church is leaving because of the lefty pervert takeover. (They should have left earlier but they have no choice now)
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    They took God out and look where they are now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    LOL, someone doesn't know what the hell they are talking about
    When did you get your Eagle badge?
    I got mine in August 1992.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    LGBTs for Trump

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    They took God out and look where they are now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    Young Republicans.

    Your point is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Your point is?
    President Trump would not be a good choice for Scoutmaster, nor Governor Romney. .
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    President Trump would not be a good choice for Scoutmaster, nor Governor Romney. .
    This was last years Jamboree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    I see you've never served in the BSA. Did it for a while myself. Nothing but flag worshiping propaganda.
    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    When did you get your Eagle badge?
    I got mine in August 1992.
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    PierzStyx maybe where you were at there was more focus on nationalism, but it isn't like that everywhere or even most places. A lot of it is troop dependent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
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    PierzStyx maybe where you were at there was more focus on nationalism, but it isn't like that everywhere or even most places. A lot of it is troop dependent.
    And in 16 years it has never struck you as odd that you were required to get three different badges in citizenship, only one badge each in anything useful, and badges that would have been helpful to secure employment were completely optional?
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    This was last years Jamboree.

    Of course the new Gayboy Scouts will cheer the prez with their rainbow flag, Donnell.
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    It is commendable that despite the LGBT communities have sold out, the QHB communities have stuck to their guns.

    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    Young Republicans.


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