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    Protected and served.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    I could have understood if it was doughnuts, but Mentos?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I could have understood if it was doughnuts, but Mentos?

    It's the freshmaker, ffs.
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    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.

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    Theft is theft whether $0.01 or a Trillion Dollars. Protect and serve!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    Theft is theft whether $0.01 or a Trillion Dollars. Protect and serve!
    Technically, it wasn't theft. The guy had paid for them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Technically, it wasn't theft. The guy had paid for them.
    Yes I saw that. But, you have to give the officer credit for making sure!

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    Good advice...

    Man Pays for Mints, Cop Pulls Gun on Him
    Dale Steinreich

    In the “land of the free,” beware of pocketing merchandise even after openly paying for it. Let the clerk bag it and always get a receipt. Items like a $2 roll of Mentos aren’t worth getting shot over. This is the reality today with large numbers of vigilant inquisitors roaming the countryside.
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog...ls-gun-on-him/
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    Yes I saw that. But, you have to give the officer credit for making sure!
    Sure of what..

    Pulling a gun and threatening everyone when no crime at all had been committed (beyond tax on the mentos)..

    and this apparent psychopath is armed and allowed.


    And I am too dangerous.



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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    The victim has a valid complaint. He was threatened with a gun (death) and spoke to very rudely. Unfortunately, this is what the Police are taught. Bark commands, take full control of the "subject", demand compliance, do not allow disagreement with your "authority". Young people who receive this training are often enthusiastic about trying out their training in the real world.

    It is the training that needs to change. This is a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The victim has a valid complaint. He was threatened with a gun (death) and spoke to very rudely. Unfortunately, this is what the Police are taught. Bark commands, take full control of the "subject", demand compliance, do not allow disagreement with your "authority". Young people who receive this training are often enthusiastic about trying out their training in the real world.

    It is the training that needs to change. This is a problem.
    Pulling a weapon on someone who has committed no crime is criminal. Having a firearm pointed during the commission of a crime could justifiably result in deadly force being used against said criminal.

    Someone should have laid his ass out.

    And as well, if anyone else mistakenly pulled and brandished a firearm, they would be arrested, their property confiscated, and very well could thereafter become a prohibited person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The victim has a valid complaint. He was threatened with a gun (death) and spoke to very rudely. Unfortunately, this is what the Police are taught. Bark commands, take full control of the "subject", demand compliance, do not allow disagreement with your "authority". Young people who receive this training are often enthusiastic about trying out their training in the real world.

    It is the training that needs to change. This is a problem.
    I'm not sure what kind of training could prevent this. The man was standing at the counter in the process of getting change back and the cop assumes he was stealing the product?? Given the circumstances, what semi reasonable person would jump to that conclusion?


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    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.

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    clerk says "He paid for it" and officer asks, "Are you sure?" lol

    "no dude, I'm making it up. Please shoot me also"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    I'm not sure what kind of training could prevent this. The man was standing at the counter in the process of getting change back and the cop assumes he was stealing the product?? Given the circumstances, what semi reasonable person would jump to that conclusion?


    Certainly screening and performance appraisal would also help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    It is the training that needs to change. This is a problem.
    The problem is the lack of consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    clerk says "He paid for it" and officer asks, "Are you sure?" lol

    "no dude, I'm making it up. Please shoot me also"
    Haha! (But actually, never say that to a cop. It's a license to kill).

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    Quote Originally Posted by otherone View Post
    The problem is the lack of consequences.
    Was my thinking,,

    In a proper world the clerk would have been properly equipped to defend himself and the customers,, and should have properly placed a load of 00 Buck in the center of the gunman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Was my thinking,,

    In a proper world the clerk would have been properly equipped to defend himself and the customers,, and should have properly placed a load of 00 Buck in the center of the gunman.
    I'd be happy if the sociopath was kicked off the police force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by otherone View Post
    I'd be happy if the sociopath was kicked off the police force.
    Sure,, Talk to the union Rep,,The Union lawyer,, The Union Boss and a Few of the boys..

    I'm sure he will be on vacation for a few days,, possibly relocated.. (They won't waste that talent)
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    ...Though the police wouldn't comment on the story, the Buena Park Police Department posted a note from Chief Corey Sianez on Facebook:

    The video of the incident clearly shows our officer drawing his gun, but not pointing it, at a subject he allegedly believed was committing a theft inside the mini-mart of a Chevron gas station in Buena Park. We were aware of this incident after it occurred and we immediately began conducting an administrative investigation into the conduct of the officer involved. The complainant also filed a formal complaint against the officer alleging misconduct and also retained an attorney. I want you to know that after I watched the video I found it to be disturbing, as I'm sure it was to you. However, because there is an ongoing personnel investigation and potential litigation pending against the city, I am unable to discuss the details of our investigation. I can definitely assure you that our investigation will be thorough and if the officer is found to be in violation of any policies and procedures, he will be held accountable. Thank you for your patience and understanding.

    This response is notable for what it leaves out. Sianez blames his silence on the investigation and "potential litigation." But even after all this is over, Arreola and the citizens of Buena Park probably won't get any answers about this still-unidentified cop's behavior. California state law deliberately conceals information from the public about police misconduct and what discipline officers face. As the law currently stands, we'll probably never know what the authorities do about a cop who pulls his gun out because he thought he saw somebody steal mints.

    There's a bill in the state Senate in California to make public some investigation and discipline records involving police conduct, but it focuses on cases of actual use of force and gun discharges. So even if that legislation were enacted, Buena Park citizens concerned about this behavior probably wouldn't get any answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post

    It's the freshmaker, ffs.
    Exactly - if only the moron played along? Hasnt he seen the commercial? You just brandish the mentos and smile like a cheshire cat.


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    Quote Originally Posted by brushfire View Post
    Exactly - if only the moron played along? Hasnt he seen the commercial? You just brandish the mentos and smile like a cheshire cat.

    Definitely works on painters, too!


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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I could have understood if it was doughnuts, but Mentos?
    That and Diet Coke... precursors to explosives!
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    MENTOS-13 gang initiation, foiled my an alert Officer Hero.
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    That cop is dumb on top of dumb, he pulls a gun out tells the guy he's a cop, then tells him to reach back into pocket and pull the mentos out, anybody that knew what they were doing would not tell a person to reach into their pocket, the guy could have shot him right through the pocket multiple times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    That cop is dumb on top of dumb, he pulls a gun out tells the guy he's a cop, then tells him to reach back into pocket and pull the mentos out, anybody that knew what they were doing would not tell a person to reach into their pocket, the guy could have shot him right through the pocket multiple times.
    Or, the cop could have unloaded a magazine into him saying he reached for what he thought was a gun and was in fear for his safety.






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