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    Yeah, relief is just an hour away, until swarms of you $#@!s show up, start demanding billions more in "services" and you $#@! it up, just like you $#@!ed up the tax riddled $#@!hole you just escaped from.



    America’s new great migration in search of lower property taxes

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/am...xes-2018-04-05

    Published: Apr 9, 2018 8:59 a.m. ET

    ‘Enough is enough’ say buyers heading to Wisconsin, Texas, Georgia and elsewhere

    Rich Harty, co-owner of Chicago-based Harty Realty Group, has an unusual business model. As an exclusive buyer’s agent, Harty has spent the past few years leading house hunters farther afield than many expected when they started to search in his metro area.

    As Harty, a lifelong Chicagoan, puts it, “I’m trying to convince them, let me show you what Wisconsin has to offer.”

    Harty’s clients range from first-time buyers with sticker shock to people who’ve lived in and around Chicago all their lives. Each has a different story, but they share a common theme: many believe that Chicago-area property taxes are too high, and relief is just an hour away over the state line.

    As a new report out Thursday demonstrates, Harty isn’t the only one realizing how big of an impact property taxes make on home-buying decisions.

    The 2017 property tax analysis from real estate data provider Attom Data Solutions shows that last year, Americans paid $293.4 billion in property taxes, a 6% increase over 2016, and an average of $3,399 per home.

    But if all real estate is local, all real estate taxes may be even more so.

    Attom’s data show that the average tax burden ranges from $10,612 in the most expensive metro area, Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, Connecticut, to $525 in Montgomery, Alabama. And those are just averages.

    For Daren Blomquist, Attom’s senior vice president, the story of national property taxes is the story of migration around the country. Taxes aren’t the most important determinant of where home buyers will locate, he said – jobs are.

    But taxes are “the icing on the cake” in areas that are seeing strong population inflows anyway, Blomquist told MarketWatch.

    Among the counties that saw the biggest percentage of in-migration in 2017, according to Census data, all are in Texas, Florida, Georgia, or the Carolinas. (Texas doesn’t have particularly low property taxes, but it has no personal income tax, making the overall tax burden much more manageable.)

    Cook County, where Chicago is located, had the biggest number of people leaving, but given a bigger starting population, those 45,360 leavers only made up 0.9% of the total.

    Blomquist’s analysis of Census data showed that among all counties that had at least a 1% population increase, the average tax bill was $2,706, while in all counties with a least a 1% decline in population, the average was $3,900.

    $1,200 annually— or $100 a month—isn’t a huge difference, and it’s why Blomquist says pure dollar figures aren’t the sole driver of where people locate. Still, home values are surging in most markets around the country, making tax considerations even more critical. And now there’s a new wrinkle for Americans trying to figure out what they can afford: last year’s tax law changes reducing how deductible property taxes may “add momentum to the trend we already see in favor of lower tax-burden states,” Blomquist said.

    That rings true for Harty, as well. His client Jeff, a 53-year-old contractor, has lived in the same northwest-side Chicago neighborhood his whole life. He married his high school sweetheart and together they raised a family in a small 1940s Cape Cod with airplanes flying so low overhead they could practically reach up and touch them. Jeff pays property taxes of $8,500 a year – not outrageous, Harty concedes – but he’s been watching city services decline and crime go up for some time and he commutes to the far-north suburbs for work.

    More than that, with a dire fiscal situation in both the city and the state, Jeff bets that taxes are only going to go up more.

    “He’s realizing that this is nuts,” Harty told MarketWatch. “He’s seeing the writing on the wall. This is someone who’s said, enough is enough.”

    For now, sales are brisk in Chicago, and Harty believes Jeff and his wife will quickly find a buyer. The downside is that the first-time buyers he represents are having trouble muscling their way into a competitive market. If they do manage to find a home they like, it’s often the taxes – frequently as high as 4% of the purchase price – that put it out of reach.

    That’s why two years ago, Harty got a real estate license in Wisconsin. Besides Jeff, he’s currently leading a flock of about half a dozen other Chicagoans to communities like Pleasant Prairie and Kenosha.

    Jeff is buying a newly constructed home with four bedrooms on three-quarters of an acre, a hefty upgrade from his 45-foot lot. And he’ll only pay about $7,200 a year in taxes.

    Still, dollar amounts aside, there’s one enduring reality of property taxes, Blomquist said. “Everyone always thinks theirs are too high.”



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    That rings true for Harty, as well. His client Jeff, a 53-year-old contractor, has lived in the same northwest-side Chicago neighborhood his whole life. He married his high school sweetheart and together they raised a family in a small 1940s Cape Cod with airplanes flying so low overhead they could practically reach up and touch them. Jeff pays property taxes of $8,500 a year – not outrageous, Harty concedes – but he’s been watching city services decline and crime go up for some time and he commutes to the far-north suburbs for work.
    So this guy is living in a tiny 1940s era tract Cape Cod home, probably 1000 square feet or less, on a 45 foot lot, and $8500 just in property taxes is "not outrageous"?

    That's $708 a month just in rents to the local liege-lords to squat on a tiny patch of the King's land.

    That does not take into account, federal, state and local income taxes, sales taxes, fees, levies and excises.

    Can anybody tell what the flying $#@! IS "outrageous" if this blatant feudal extortion is NOT?

    $#@!ing $#@! AmeriKunts.

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    No, they can't tell you what is outrageous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yeah, relief is just an hour away, until swarms of you $#@!s show up, start demanding billions more in "services" and you $#@! it up, just like you $#@!ed up the tax riddled $#@!hole you just escaped from.
    More true words were never spoken. I will buy you a drink just based on this statement alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yeah, relief is just an hour away, until swarms of you $#@!s show up, start demanding billions more in "services" and you $#@! it up, just like you $#@!ed up the tax riddled $#@!hole you just escaped from.
    Welcome to North Carolina. Land of the "half-backs."
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Property taxes are one thing California is pretty decent on. First, the tax rate (according to USA Today https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...-dc/100314754/ ) ranks #35 (15th lowest) and thanks to Prop 13, your taxes don't go up because your neighbor was willing to spend more money on a house than you were- your value is locked in until it sells. In some states, if your neighbor pays twice what you did for a similar house, YOUR property taxes go up- possibly doubling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Welcome to North Carolina. Land of the "half-backs."
    We've been furiously looking at housing in SC. One area has a property tax rate of $700/year per 200k of house. Its low enough to make my heart skip a few beats. I can't wait to say so long to NJ... My business partner is on his way to NC soon and can't wait to say good riddance to CA property taxes and home prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    We've been furiously looking at housing in SC. One area has a property tax rate of $700/year per 200k of house. Its low enough to make my heart skip a few beats. I can't wait to say so long to NJ... My business partner is on his way to NC soon and can't wait to say good riddance to CA property taxes and home prices.
    Just as long as he doesn't bring progressive politics with him. They've ruined our state.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.



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    From what I have seen I can probably pay six months property tax here on three properties for what one very small home would run per month in chicago , Mass or NJ . Here primary residence is locked at one percent and cannot be raised . If they got rid of public education it could be eliminated too .
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Just as long as he doesn't bring progressive politics with him. They've ruined our state.
    No, if anything over the years he has turned more libertarian/anarchist than myself. And he's got a hell of a nice gun collection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Just as long as he doesn't bring progressive politics with him. They've ruined our state.
    And ruining ours. There is no state income tax, and property taxes are fairly low. Good luck trying to find a house in the Nashville area. If you don't have money ready to put down, don't bother making an offer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So this guy is living in a tiny 1940s era tract Cape Cod home, probably 1000 square feet or less, on a 45 foot lot, and $8500 just in property taxes is "not outrageous"?

    That's $708 a month just in rents to the local liege-lords to squat on a tiny patch of the King's land.

    That does not take into account, federal, state and local income taxes, sales taxes, fees, levies and excises.

    Can anybody tell what the flying $#@! IS "outrageous" if this blatant feudal extortion is NOT?

    $#@!ing $#@! AmeriKunts.
    Conditioned behavior to a reporter. A 5 minute discussion with anyone from these forums and they would wake up. You see that is the problem, there is no national dialogue on this #1 restriction on individual liberty - the right to own private property. It is pretty amazing how the establishment with their fake political parties and their news media mouthpieces has managed to successfully keep this off the radar. They do this while managing to keep everyone distracted with lesser issues. There are property tax protests in various jurisdictions but it is rarely given coverage and time like most other issues. All by design since it is all controlled by blood sucking thieves.

    I would not be so quick to blame all those relocating to get away from high property taxes that are demanding services since the end result is pretty obvious. More like the rise of Progressive values taking hold throughout the country causing it incrementally. Those indifferent due to job relocation and I suspect the wives of the husbands that move them.
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    [QUOTE=Anti Federalist;6625425]Yeah, relief is just an hour away, until swarms of you $#@!s show up, start demanding billions more in "services" and you $#@! it up, just like you $#@!ed up the tax riddled $#@!hole you just escaped from.


    and that sir, is exactly how the rest of the nation will be Californicated. Look at Oregon, Washington, Nevada...the exodus of Californio's to other states and regions. Unfortunately they bring their sanctimonious B.S. with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    and that sir, is exactly how the rest of the nation will be Californicated. Look at Oregon, Washington, Nevada...the exodus of Californio's to other states and regions. Unfortunately they bring their sanctimonious B.S. with them.
    And that is why I am in favor of a total and complete moratorium on all immigration, from anywhere, for any reason, by anybody.

    The whole world is infected with this statist sickness, and allowing millions of people into the country that almost universally favor more government, more regulation and more taxation is like inviting TB infected people into a heart and lung hospital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    We've been furiously looking at housing in SC. One area has a property tax rate of $700/year per 200k of house. Its low enough to make my heart skip a few beats. I can't wait to say so long to NJ... My business partner is on his way to NC soon and can't wait to say good riddance to CA property taxes and home prices.
    A quick check reveals that my NH taxes on 12 acres and a new 3000 sft home are over half what the average was in my old home town, and I pay no income or sales taxes.

    And I lived in a relatively low tax town in a low tax county of NJ, over $2300 below the state average.

    N.J. property taxes hit a record high in 2017. See the numbers for your town.

    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf...rty_taxes.html

    New Jersey's already-sky high residential property taxes set a new record in 2017, with the average tax bill ringing up at $8,690.

    That tax bill is $141 -- or 1.6 percent -- over the $8,549 homeowners paid, on average, in 2016.

    The burden falls hardest in Bergen, Essex and Union counties, where the average bill exceeded $11,000. Counties with the highest property taxes tend to be concentrated in the northern and central parts of the state.

    The new figures released Friday by the Department of Community Affairs closes the books on property taxes during former Gov. Chris Christie's eight years in office.

    The average tax bill was $7,281 when Christie came into office. During the two terms of his administration they rose a total of just over 19 percent, representing a significant slowdown in the rate of property tax growth from previous governors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So this guy is living in a tiny 1940s era tract Cape Cod home, probably 1000 square feet or less, on a 45 foot lot, and $8500 just in property taxes is "not outrageous"?

    That's $708 a month just in rents to the local liege-lords to squat on a tiny patch of the King's land.

    That does not take into account, federal, state and local income taxes, sales taxes, fees, levies and excises.

    Can anybody tell what the flying $#@! IS "outrageous" if this blatant feudal extortion is NOT?

    $#@!ing $#@! AmeriKunts.
    They justify it as the cost of civilization and compare America (Old Glory) to other countries.

    They are ignorant of the true mechanics of politics in general and socialism as a whole.... thanks largely in part to their, "Red for Ed," propaganda campaigns and failed Prussian modeled indoctrination camps.

    They would work their fingers bare for a government stipend and feel good about it. There's really no saving many of those people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So this guy is living in a tiny 1940s era tract Cape Cod home, probably 1000 square feet or less, on a 45 foot lot, and $8500 just in property taxes is "not outrageous"?

    That's $708 a month just in rents to the local liege-lords to squat on a tiny patch of the King's land.

    That does not take into account, federal, state and local income taxes, sales taxes, fees, levies and excises.

    Can anybody tell what the flying $#@! IS "outrageous" if this blatant feudal extortion is NOT?

    $#@!ing $#@! AmeriKunts.
    They have to pay for the schools for other people's kids somehow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    They justify it as the cost of civilization and compare America (Old Glory) to other countries.
    Yes, paying about 50% of my income in various taxes really is not that outrageous when you remember how great America is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Yes, paying about 50% of my income in various taxes really is not that outrageous when you remember how great America is.
    Indeed. There's roads that do pretty okay at getting people from here to there in a kind of timely manner.

    It's the little things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yeah, relief is just an hour away, until swarms of you $#@!s show up, start demanding billions more in "services" and you $#@! it up, just like you $#@!ed up the tax riddled $#@!hole you just escaped from.
    Yep!!! I gripe all the time about how the Yankees took Atlanta twice. I point that out to my in-laws every time they start up with how much better things were in Buffalo. I've been to Buffalo. It's a $#@! hole. An expensive $#@! hole. Mr A gets annoyed with me because I've gotten to where I use Lewis Grizzard's old line on them...

    I-75 and I-85 head north and Delta is ready when you are.
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    Tax-rates.org is where I look to find the tax info on each state.
    interesting that no one mentioned Louisiana as an exodus landing spot.. lowest property tax in the country at 0.18%

    our family matriarch lives in Bergen county - in her 80s - widowed over 20 years now, worked until she was in her 70s.. is getting ready to loose 2 houses because of taxes... over 25K in property tax! Her own and my grandparents house. It sucks
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    That's why, if you find a nice place, don't talk about it. Once I can, I'm picking someplace far enough away from the interstates as I can. And its going to be in a state people think is boring, or doesn't "offer enough" for their kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    That's why, if you find a nice place, don't talk about it. Once I can, I'm picking someplace far enough away from the interstates as I can. And its going to be in a state people think is boring, or doesn't "offer enough" for their kids.
    NH is awful...the winters are brutal, heat and humidity crush you in the summer, ticks attack you and infect you deadly diseases, roaming bands of northern hillbillies run around with guns, everything costs a fortune.

    It's an awful, awful place.

    Stay away.

    I hear Raleigh/Durham is nice.

    So is Winston/Salem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    NH is awful...the winters are brutal, heat and humidity crush you in the summer, ticks attack you and infect you deadly diseases, roaming bands of northern hillbillies run around with guns, everything costs a fortune.

    It's an awful, awful place.

    Stay away.

    I hear Raleigh/Durham is nice.

    So is Winston/Salem.
    Shaddup, assenholen!
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.



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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Shaddup, assenholen!
    Heh heh heh...

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    In principle, the idea is no different from George Soros's 220-page guide seemingly to create a permanent voting majority for the Democratic Party by "enlarge[ing] the U.S. electorate by 10 million voters by 2018."

    Greece's ruling Syriza coalition appears to be adopting a strategy of garnering votes from immigrants by expediting their naturalization process. It will be easier to obtain Greek citizenship than a fishing license.

    A total of 800,000 immigrants -- almost one-tenth of the native Greek population -- will soon become citizens. Transposed to the United States, that would be the equivalent of 32,000,000 new voters.

    As Greece struggles with accelerating economic decline and an increasing lack of public faith in the political leadership, the ruling Syriza coalition appears to be adopting a strategy of garnering votes from immigrants by expediting their naturalization process.

    According to a recent report in the Greek daily Parapolitika, Interior Minister Panos Skourletis is laying the groundwork to enable hundreds of thousands of immigrants to become citizens and vote in the next elections. Although the mandate of Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras ends in September 2019, some analysts have been predicting a call for elections by the end of 2018.

    Until now, candidates for Greek citizenship had to be vetted by a committee. Under the new system, applicants will be granted citizenship automatically if they correctly answer 20 out of 30 questions online. In addition, the government is planning to allow immigrants over the age of 65 to obtain Greek IDs, without testing their knowledge of the Greek language. In other words, it will be easier to obtain Greek citizenship than a Greek fishing license. As a result, a total of 800,000 immigrants -- almost one-tenth of the native Greek population -- will soon become citizens. Transposed to the United States, that would be the equivalent of 32,000,000 new voters.

    In principle, the idea is no different from George Soros's 220-page guide, released by DC Leaks, seemingly to create a permanent voting majority for the Democratic Party by "enlarge[ing] the U.S. electorate by 10 million voters by 2018."

    Easing citizenship requirements may be a calculated electoral ploy, but it is also in keeping with an overall European multiculturalism. The current leadership is not interested in the origins of the country's illegal immigrants, many of whom hail from Afghanistan, Pakistan and sub-Saharan Africa and do not respect the Judeo-Christian roots and culture of modern Greek civilization. Nor does the government appear to concern itself with the danger involved in allowing huge numbers of migrants from terrorist-ridden Muslim-majority countries to become citizens, without vetting them.

    Meanwhile, as its immigrant population increases, Greece is simultaneously undergoing a brain-drain. Over the past 8 years, for example, 500,000 skilled and educated young people left the country and have chosen to remain abroad rather than return home and contribute to the economy, the culture and society in general.

    According to recent opinion polls, if elections were held in Greece today, the opposition party, New Democracy, would win. It is likely for this reason that the incumbent Syriza coalition has been stepping up its efforts to stay in power. Let us hope that its maneuver to do so by hastily granting voting rights to immigrants will fail. If not, the future of Greece and other countries where there are visible efforts to undermine democratic processes -- as in America's politicized, seemingly criminalized Department of Justice and Federal Bureau of Investigation and the efforts of U.S. Democrats to try to prevent the president from forming a government -- could be dangerously bleak.
    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12227/voter-rolls-greece



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