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Thread: California To Become First US State Mandating Solar On New Homes

  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by dean.engelhardt View Post
    It is the "selfishness" of the people that will drive the market solution. When the free market offers alternate solutions to home energy that are better than we have now, it will happen naturally. There is no reason for the solar producers to innovate their product when there customer must purchase from them that under threat of force.

    This mandate will stifle solar technology advancement along with other alternate methods. You will see states that choice free market make better strides.
    China is already ahead in alternative energy and is positioned to take market leadership in some technologies. All America makes is munitions and you can't sell those on the open market. 100% government subsidies, defense department. Why don't conservatives whine about that.



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    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post
    China is already ahead in alternative energy and is positioned to take market leadership in some technologies. All America makes is munitions and you can't sell those on the open market. 100% government subsidies, defense department. Why don't conservatives whine about that.
    We do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post
    China is already ahead in alternative energy and is positioned to take market leadership in some technologies. All America makes is munitions and you can't sell those on the open market. 100% government subsidies, defense department. Why don't conservatives whine about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Landon View Post
    Solar panels on new homes is a good thing. The government mandating it is a bad thing.

    - ML
    This.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge



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    In California, the middle class really is disappearing, not into the proletariat or the ranks of the rich, but into sensibly run states such as Texas, Arizona, Idaho, and Nevada. Not only is the Golden State suffering negative domestic net migration overall, but every income group below $110,000 per year is leaving. The state’s middle-income earners are selling their homes and heading for cheaper and often safer and cleaner places. The fleeing middle class is being replaced on the one hand by new border-crossers, usually at the bottom of the income scale, and by a trickle of rich people from other states.

    The immense cost of housing, due to NIMBY (not in my backyard) building restrictions, fosters this extreme inequality. In San Francisco, it’s gotten so bad that families making six-figure salaries there are now considered low-income and qualify for “affordable” housing.

    So, you wouldn’t expect to see California create new policies that will further increase the cost of each housing unit by $10,000.

    Except that it’s California, so of course that’s what it’s doing. The California Energy Commission has imposed a new requirement that residential solar arrays be included with all new housing. A set of accompanying energy efficiency regulations could increase new housing costs by up to another $15,000 beyond that.

    As for the other supposed benefits of the solar panels, the commission has chosen perhaps the least efficient method for adding new electrical generation capacity to the grid. (Perhaps we should be thankful that it isn’t requiring each resident to spend 15 minutes on a treadmill every day — not to give them any ideas!)

    Contrary to what some advocates have claimed, this housing price hike/solar installer subsidy will drive up the cost of all housing in California, not just of new buildings but also those too large to qualify for an exemption. The older and smaller homes competing with them will also become more expensive.

    It adds insult to injury that taxpayers who don’t even live in California will be forced to help pay for all this nonsense through the federal tax code.

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  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    In many places, yes.

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    the goobermint doesn't want you to be independent.

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    It's in line with my thread today about SCOTUS and legalizing sports gambling under 10th Amendment. Like or hate CA's mandate, the legislature is free to do it under the 10th and if a CA resident doesn't want to be involved they can move to another state. Or at least until a similar mandate works through each state legislature.

    People are free to have opinions on state laws but it is how the Constitution was designed to operate. I can't complain too much about the 10th being used as it was intended.

    (Side note: the house being mandated for solar panels isn't your house, any way. You don't own it. You only rent it. And you agreed to it when you "bought' it. The government owns it hence why the government can dictate what is done to it.)
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

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  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post
    China is already ahead in alternative energy and is positioned to take market leadership in some technologies. All America makes is munitions and you can't sell those on the open market. 100% government subsidies, defense department. Why don't conservatives whine about that.
    We do.

    I've been writing about this for years now.

    Nobody wants to listen because they prefer their cheap $#@! at Wal Marx to a growing, vibrant and cutting edge manufacturing economy.

    Along comes a Trump, with all his warts and faults, and institutes a system of tariffs and trade policies that will maybe start us down that road, and everybody screams blue bloody $#@!ing murder.

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