Rand Should Primary Trump

[r3volution 3.0]

For those of us who voted Yay, a second question:

Rand's been playing this game since summer 2016, whereby he praises a position candidate Trump took during the campaign (mind you: Trump took every position on every issue during the campaign), so as to cover himself for criticizing the actual conduct of Trump as President. For instance, he'll say that Trump's appointment of Bolton runs contrary to his non-interventionist comments as a candidate (feigning ignorance of Trump's long record of extremely interventionist positions, which Rand rightly attacked during the campaign: e.g. re Libya). So, given this tack which Rand has taken (not what I would have advised, but there's a certain logic to it), how might he change his tune re Trump without risking "flip-flopper" accusations?

[Anti Federalist]

I'd support him if he did.

Yes.

[Krugminator2]

I think Rand is a clear no on running in any future Presidential election. Even though he was the best liberty candidate in history, this past election shows there isn't a market for what he is selling and he has just a few too many gaps in his presentation. My gut instinct is Amash will run on the LP at some point though. Maybe Rand runs LP down the road.

More interesting is if he votes no on Pompeo. Voting no will be a huge deal. If he votes no, I wouldn't be surprised if he is at least considering not running again for Senate

[Anti Federalist]

Even though he was the best liberty candidate in history, this past election shows there isn't a market for what he is selling

Every election shows that.

Freedom is not popular.

[Krugminator2]

Every election shows that.

Freedom is not popular.

The way a liberty candidate would win is if they have some other overriding popularity and charisma. Reagan (setting aside what people here will say about him) was the most ideologically conservative in a long long time to win. The average person who voted for him did so in spite of that. They voted because he was a smiley face.

I can't think of any libertarian who could overcome the ideological problems a libertarian will face. Maybe Vince Vaughn?

[r3volution 3.0]

I think Rand is a clear no on running in any future Presidential election. Even though he was the best liberty candidate in history, this past election shows there isn't a market for what he is selling and he has just a few too many gaps in his presentation. My gut instinct is Amash will run on the LP at some point though. Maybe Rand runs LP down the road.

More interesting is if he votes no on Pompeo. Voting no will be a huge deal. If he votes no, I wouldn't be surprised if he is at least considering not running again for Senate

He won't run again for Senate, I'm quite sure.

Every election shows that.

Freedom is not popular.

Who said anything about winning?

I say, go out in a blaze of glory - cash in every respectability chip he's earned over the years and tell it exactly as it is.

One last time.

[Brian4Liberty]

My gut instinct is Amash will run on the LP at some point though. Maybe Rand runs LP down the road.

Agree. There is always the future for Rand.

Amash would be much more interesting. He could significantly raise his profile, and add a new voice to the liberty message (for the majority of the people who have never heard of him). Also, it does seem that Amash has that ambition (a POTUS run).

[Anti Federalist]

Turn about is fair play and all...

From February 2016

Trump: Someone Should Primary Rand Paul

https://hotair.com/headlines/archive...ary-rand-paul/

Either run for Senate and do a good job or run for president. You don’t run for president and by the way, if I don’t make it, I will become your senator reluctantly. If I were somebody — a good, strong Republican from Kentucky, I would run against him in a heartbeat. And you would win. Because the people of Kentucky are being used by Rand Paul. Now, think of it. They’re saying is, oh, if he doesn’t make it, we will take him. That’s not the way it works. The people of Kentucky should get a senator that wants to represent them, not a senator where it’s a backup plan. So, if I was in Kentucky, I would run against him. Believe me, I would win. - DJT

[jkr]

Why not strike while the Iron's hot!

Rand Paul 2020
for a Clear Vision

[JohnCifelli1]

I hope he runs again when he's ready to retire from the Senate, like Ron did from the house.

[Raginfridus]

Yes.

[nikcers]

There won't be a 2020, there won't be a Russia reset. We are about to see an American reset.

[Swordsmyth]

For those of us who voted Yay, a second question:

Rand's been playing this game since summer 2016, whereby he praises a position candidate Trump took during the campaign (mind you: Trump took every position on every issue during the campaign), so as to cover himself for criticizing the actual conduct of Trump as President. For instance, he'll say that Trump's appointment of Bolton runs contrary to his non-interventionist comments as a candidate (feigning ignorance of Trump's long record of extremely interventionist positions, which Rand rightly attacked during the campaign: e.g. re Libya). So, given this tack which Rand has taken (not what I would have advised, but there's a certain logic to it), how might he change his tune re Trump without risking "flip-flopper" accusations?

He should run as being more true to Trumpism than Trump has been, MAGA for real like Trump promised and hasn't lived up to.

[r3volution 3.0]

He should run as being more true to Trumpism than Trump has been, MAGA for real like Trump promised and hasn't lived up to.

No, if that, it would be better that he not run at all.

For my part, the sole purpose of Rand running would be to kill Trumpism, lock it in a concrete box, and dump in an outhouse where it belongs. So long as the narrative is dominated by Hannity and related clowns spewing nationalist propaganda, nothing will or can improve. If the liberty movement isn't capable of winning elections anymore, so be it, then our last good service to humanity should be to end this abomination. Force people to call a spade a spade.

[Swordsmyth]

No, if that, it would be better that he not run at all.

For my part, the sole purpose of Rand running would be to kill Trumpism, lock it in a concrete box, and dump in an outhouse where it belongs. So long as the narrative is dominated by Hannity and related clowns spewing nationalist propaganda, nothing will or can improve. If the liberty movement isn't capable of winning elections anymore, so be it, then our last good service to humanity should be to end this abomination. Force people to call a spade a spade.

It can be harnessed and bent to our purposes, we must redefine what Trumpism is by emphasizing the parts we like and de-emphasizing the parts we don't, our enemies do it to us all the time, we need to turn it back on them.

[r3volution 3.0]

It can be harnessed and bent to our purposes, we must redefine what Trumpism is by emphasizing the parts we like and de-emphasizing the parts we don't, our enemies do it to us all the time, we need to turn it back on them.

I'll wager that there's a neglected but shiny granite wall somewhere in Berlin or Rome which lists the names of people with similar ideas.

[Swordsmyth]

I'll wager that there's a neglected but shiny granite wall somewhere in Berlin or Rome which lists the names of people with similar ideas.

Trumpism isn't NAZIsm, trying to fix the Demoncrats would be more like that.

[AuH20]

No, if that, it would be better that he not run at all.

For my part, the sole purpose of Rand running would be to kill Trumpism, lock it in a concrete box, and dump in an outhouse where it belongs. So long as the narrative is dominated by Hannity and related clowns spewing nationalist propaganda, nothing will or can improve. If the liberty movement isn't capable of winning elections anymore, so be it, then our last good service to humanity should be to end this abomination. Force people to call a spade a spade.

Hannity is no nationalist. He's a phony Israel Firster hitching his wagon to Trump. Even Trump is a faux nationalist in some respects.

[r3volution 3.0]

Hannity is no nationalist. He's a phony Israel Firster hitching his wagon to Trump. Even Trump is a faux nationalist in some respects.

Since the departure of relentless Trump promoter/Paul trasher Bill O'Reilly, SnowBall is the most prominent Trump shill in the mainstream media.

He does nothing but stir up anti-immigrant and related nationalist sentiments; this is what he is paid large sums to do.

If you are pleased with the shift of the GOP toward nationalism, you really ought to send him a fruit basket.

[AuH20]

Since the departure of relentless Trump promoter/Ron Paul trasher Bill O'Reilly, SnowBall is the most prominent Trump shill in the mainstream media.

He does nothing but stir up anti-immigrant and related nationalist sentiments.

If you are pleased with shift of the GOP toward nationalism, you really ought to send him a fruit basket.

I know he's a scumbag fake. He went after Ron with the newsletters. No nationalist would have done that.

[dannno]

If Rand Paul thinks that is the best decision, I would support him 100% - but I wouldn't force him to run, so it is tough to know how to vote in this poll... because if he chooses not to, then I don't think he should. I think Rand knows better than I do what he should do in this situation.

[Swordsmyth]

If Rand Paul thinks that is the best decision, I would support him 100% - but I wouldn't force him to run, so it is tough to know how to vote in this poll... because if he chooses not to, then I don't think he should. I think Rand knows better than I do what he should do in this situation.

Yes but taking our temperature might help him decide.

[r3volution 3.0]

Ah, I see we got demoted to the Rand Forum (which, these days, is a kind of exile, isn't it?).

It's important to make sure there's plenty of room for asinine pro-Trump conspiracy theories in US Politics, amiright?

[AuH20]

If he tries to run the same pathetic campaign, then no. If he wants to run like he did in Kentucky in 2010, then maybe. The problem is that the public remembers him from the recent flub in the primary,

[r3volution 3.0]

On an unrelated note..

Born at Briesen near Friesack in Brandenburg, to Major Friedrich von Bredow (1787-1878) and Bernhardine Sophie (née von Wulffen) (1792-1859), he joined the Garde-Husaren-Regiment in 1832 as Unteroffizier. By 1859, he had been given command of the 4th Dragoon Regiment. As a colonel, von Bredow led the 2nd Cavalry Brigade in the Austro-Prussian War of 1866, and was promoted to major general.^[1] He is best known as a hero of the Franco-Prussian War after the Battle of Mars-la-Tour on August 16, 1870. During this battle he commanded the Prussian 12th Cavalry Brigade on one of the last successful massed cavalry charges in warfare. Before his assault von Bredow stated of that "it will cost what it will." "Von Bredow's Death Ride" resulted in massive casualties on the Prussian forces but he managed to defeat a French force that outnumbered them four to one.

[Brian4Liberty]

Rand has a powerful voice as a Senator. He is being as effective as he can, and is much more impactful than the vast majority of Congress.

A Presidential run would be a waste, as he already has a platform to put out his message. An expensive and time consuming POTUS run would not help. Being a human piñata is probably not high on his list of priorities.

[jmdrake]

Being a human piñata is probably not high on his list of priorities.

So that's how his ribs got broken!

[jmdrake]

For those of us who voted Yay, a second question:

Rand's been playing this game since summer 2016, whereby he praises a position candidate Trump took during the campaign (mind you: Trump took every position on every issue during the campaign), so as to cover himself for criticizing the actual conduct of Trump as President. For instance, he'll say that Trump's appointment of Bolton runs contrary to his non-interventionist comments as a candidate (feigning ignorance of Trump's long record of extremely interventionist positions, which Rand rightly attacked during the campaign: e.g. re Libya). So, given this tack which Rand has taken (not what I would have advised, but there's a certain logic to it), how might he change his tune re Trump without risking "flip-flopper" accusations?

Rand should ABSOLUTELY primary Trump!
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But I'm not holding my breath that he will. Consider this factoid. What REALLY happened when Rand's ribs got broken? Everybody is talking about the "deep state." Well Trump with his face scanning camera executive order is part of the deep state.

[Aratus]

If DJT is able to be in a position to do another POTUS run in 2020 or 2024 and is not a convicted felon,
then Senator Rand Paul needs to take him on once again in the early primaries and caucuses, IMOHO.

[timosman]

If DJT is able to be in a position to do another POTUS run in 2020 or 2024 and is not a convicted felon,
then Senator Rand Paul needs to take him on once again in the early primaries and caucuses, IMOHO.

Another change of plans?