Starbucks in hot water for having cops remove two black men from Philly store

[juleswin]

I agree with you on the important part that there shouldn't be any govt sanctions and your right to boycott. Are you consistent on this? Are you against discrimination laws in general? Should Starbucks be permitted to sell to "whites only"?

I try my best to be consistent and yes I think starbucks should be permitted to sell to whites only. I am not going to like it but its not my business and they are free to run it the way they choose to.

[juleswin]

Well when you say something intelligent maybe I will trust when you say somebody else doesn't say anything intelligent..

The guy laid it out, the manager asked them to buy something or leave, they refused to buy something. The cops came and said they were free to go, but they refused to buy something or leave. They were on private property, it had nothing to do with them being black. It had to do with their attitude, how they were acting, and the fact that they hadn't purchased anything.

Starbucks doesn't mind people in their store who don't buy $#@! if they aren't bothering other people.

At least we can agree that neither one of us is saying anything intelligent or meaningful. The is the only time we have agree on anything in years now. This is good

I know starbucks doesn't mind people coming to their store and not buying anything. I have done it myself in the past and wasn't kicked out. So I am still wondering why they decided to enforce this rule and kick them out.

[juleswin]

The black guy's story

[dannno]

I know starbucks doesn't mind people coming to their store and not buying anything. I have done it myself in the past and wasn't kicked out. So I am still wondering why they decided to enforce this rule and kick them out.

...and you're black. Which sort of proves our point.

Maybe it was because you acted like you belonged there, you weren't bothering other customers - you were helping their customers study.

[juleswin]

...and you're black. Which sort of proves our point.

Maybe it was because you acted like you belonged there, you weren't bothering other customers - you were helping their customers study.

Or maybe the manager that day in Philadelphia was on her period . Just kidding. But usually most starbucks works are the hippie type, chill, tree hugging liberal, I think this one may have been cut from a different cloth, a no nonsense, by the books, straight laced ........ Trump supporter (j/k ). Which I why I am surprised they were kicked out.

Btw, there is no evidence that I have seen or heard(not counting you or Stefan) that showed that they were acting out in the time they were in the store. Just that one tried to use the restroom and was told he had to buy something to use it. He did not buy anything so the employee started the removal process leading to police being called.

According to the black guys.

[Madison320]

I try my best to be consistent and yes I think starbucks should be permitted to sell to whites only. I am not going to like it but its not my business and they are free to run it the way they choose to.

I agree. I think the best response is an organized boycott if you think there was racism.

[Madison320]

I think that is already part of their business plan, dunno if starbucks is run the same way here in Omaha as it is done in Philadelphia. Anyway, when I was in college, we would go to starbucks to do some school projects when we couldn't all meet in school. Ofc, we were all broke college students and the plan was always to just to use wifi and then go home. But and a big butt, most people ended up buying coffee or some pastry with the cc. Its not easy to resist the smell of starbucks coffee.

And actually, sometime nobody buys anything at all. I think the gamble(not dilemma) is that they must have calculated that not many people will come in and not buy anything. These were 2 people(even if you believe 100% that they weren't going to buy anything) in the restaurant for 10 mins waiting to meeting what I presume is a paying customer, there was no need to kick em out. It is one thing if they've been in the store for hours without buying anything and then you applying this very unknown rule on them.

My worry is that it seems like they acted a bit too quickly and applied this rule to them alone and that really worries me.

From what I've read each Starbucks has it's own policy. My guess is the ones in big cities and bad neighborhoods tend to have stricter rules.

[Danke]

The black guy's story

Lawyer? haha

Setup.

[pcosmar]

Should Starbucks be permitted to sell to "whites only"?

And that is the bottom line..

The right to run a RACIST business. The right to refuse inferior races.

Open to the public is open to everyone... either that or go to a Whites Only Club.

[Danke]

I sure hope their long term "real estate" deal doesn't suffer because of this...

[Danke]

abc "News". did anyone listen to the language they used? This is not about Starbucks or this phony incident.

[pcosmar]

You just said your sisters owned bars/businesses and had to kick people out for misbehaving.

For reason... and good reason before it came to that.
They did not throw them out for being Black,, or Cuban or Haitian.. They were handled the same.

You don't make money in a bar by not selling drinks. and you handle drunks..You manage the problem..

And the drunk buys more tomorrow. Losing customers is losing money.

[Ender]

I know what a catch 22 is. What would have been the downside of not calling the cops?

Actually, I was talking about Starbucks' situation now.

If they apologize they lose; if they don't apologize they lose.

There is no way to fix this w/o a lot of backstabbing/name-calling/lies/innuendoes coming from either side, depending on how it's handled. Someone will always strive to be offended.

My personal experience with Starbucks has always been good- a performing group I was in as a kid performed there a lot & we were always treated well- and we were a mixture of races.

[Danke]

What a moron. The guy says hes all for fairness and then is OK with the fact that they kicked out a potential customer 10 mins after their arrival because they choose to enforce a rule that they rarely enforced.

Do we know that it was really only 10 minutes? Do we really know any facts in this case? What we seem to know, they were asked to leave repeatedly, and they didn't.

[Ender]

Yes, because you're not exactly splaining your position. I just took a guess.

LOL- thanks for understand my humor/sarcasm.

[Ender]

Oh, and based on your avatar: Your hair wants cutting.

But that's why you have the hots for me & follow me around.

[dannno]

For reason... and good reason before it came to that.
They did not throw them out for being Black,, or Cuban or Haitian.. They were handled the same.

You don't make money in a bar by not selling drinks. and you handle drunks..You manage the problem..

And the drunk buys more tomorrow. Losing customers is losing money.

Not the point.. the point is, if your sister kicked a black person out, not for being black, but for bad behavior - and they were accused of kicking them out for being black and your sister was murdered for that, how would you feel about that?

The fact is it is hard to know why somebody kicks somebody out of their place of business, unless you start policing people's thoughts - unless of course they say that is why they did it or it is a regular occurrence and they built up a track record maybe.. But this was a single occurrence.

[Danke]

I have been involved in throwing people off aircraft. It was the Captain's call not mine. But I understood their reasoning. Me personally, I am fairly lenient. Travel these days can be stressful...and people drink, or on meds, etc.

Problem is a catch 22 sometimes, don't intervene after a flight attendant brings it to our attention, take no action, then it becomes a problem inflight...who are they gonna look at for brushing it off as innocent juvenile behavior? Plus not backing up your crew? That can have safety consequences later too. Federal Regulations are we are not to allow anyone "impaired". , drunk, etc. on our aircraft.

A longtime ago, a very drunk passenger was in the gate area on another airline I was trying to hitch a ride on. I brought it up to the Captain. He didn't seem to care. Now think of the jeopardy he just put himself in if anything happened later and he was told about that passenger by a fellow pilot. I kinda look the other way now if it is not my company. Sargent Schultz, unless it is too obvious to ignore, or it is AF, an Injun or a Nigerian.

[RJB]

I have been involved in throwing people off aircraft.

Hmm. I didn't know that you are a racist.

[pcosmar]

But this was a single occurrence.

No,, it is not.
If it was a single occurrence it would have no legs regardless of hype and Starbucks would have shrugged it off.

It is several problems converging,,, and the concept of race is center stage.,, like it or not. (I don't personally)

[pcosmar]

I keep seeing this so called free world looking more and more like the prison I got out of...


Right back to fighting with Aryan crowd.

[Danke]

Hmm. I didn't know that you are a racist.

Mulattos are always a conundrum for me.

Sometimes they seem to have more white heritage than black. Those are difficult situations, am I justified in kicking off the obviously more white ones? Keeps me up late at night many times doubting.

[dannno]

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[dannno]

I feel like AF

[Swordsmyth]

Have we wasted enough time on this distraction yet?

[dannno]

I keep seeing this so called free world looking more and more like the prison I got out of...


Right back to fighting with Aryan crowd.

This is your idea of the Aryan crowd??




I have never, to my knowledge, met a white supremacist in my entire life.. and my friend circle, since I was very young, until now, has been overly represented by minorities.

Starbucks is not the "borg". They are coffee shops. I know people who have worked there. When I said that was the first incident, I meant at that store. That manager had never had a prior incident or a history of making these decisions solely based on race. The one you pointed out wasn't very good evidence because there was no camera at the store when everything went down, only after the fact. Stores are under no obligation to allow you to use the restroom unless you are a customer acting in a reasonable manner. They may choose to allow people who are seem conducive to the atmosphere to use the restroom if they are unsure of their present or future customer status, regardless of their race, but may not allow people who are not conducive, regardless of their race. So a black guy could walk in and they might let him use the restroom, and then a scraggly white guy who looks homeless might walk in and maybe they don't. Which sucks, but it isn't their responsibility to take care of all the homeless in town. And it's really unfair to judge their individual decisions without all of the evidence or without some sort of history.

[dannno]

// dude something is wrong with edit posts

[Madison320]

And that is the bottom line..

The right to run a RACIST business. The right to refuse inferior races.

Open to the public is open to everyone... either that or go to a Whites Only Club.

Bullcrap. In a free society the owner of the business retains the right to decide who he does business with. The correct term for what you are describing is fascism. That's where private parties are supposedly allowed to "own" a business but the government tells them how to run it.

[oyarde]

I have been involved in throwing people off aircraft. It was the Captain's call not mine. But I understood their reasoning. Me personally, I am fairly lenient. Travel these days can be stressful...and people drink, or on meds, etc.

Problem is a catch 22 sometimes, don't intervene after a flight attendant brings it to our attention, take no action, then it becomes a problem inflight...who are they gonna look at for brushing it off as innocent juvenile behavior? Plus not backing up your crew? That can have safety consequences later too. Federal Regulations are we are not to allow anyone "impaired". , drunk, etc. on our aircraft.

A longtime ago, a very drunk passenger was in the gate area on another airline I was trying to hitch a ride on. I brought it up to the Captain. He didn't seem to care. Now think of the jeopardy he just put himself in if anything happened later and he was told about that passenger by a fellow pilot. I kinda look the other way now if it is not my company. Sargent Schultz, unless it is too obvious to ignore, or it is AF, an Injun or a Nigerian.

I have been intoxicated while flying but nobody would know . I like to nap . I did not know they let Nigerians on , I assumed they were all on the no fly list .

[Swordsmyth]

I have been intoxicated while flying but nobody would know .

Because you always act that way?