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At least we can agree that neither one of us is saying anything intelligent or meaningful. The is the only time we have agree on anything in years now. This is good
I know starbucks doesn't mind people coming to their store and not buying anything. I have done it myself in the past and wasn't kicked out. So I am still wondering why they decided to enforce this rule and kick them out.
The black guy's story
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Or maybe the manager that day in Philadelphia was on her period . Just kidding. But usually most starbucks works are the hippie type, chill, tree hugging liberal, I think this one may have been cut from a different cloth, a no nonsense, by the books, straight laced ........ Trump supporter (j/k ). Which I why I am surprised they were kicked out.
Btw, there is no evidence that I have seen or heard(not counting you or Stefan) that showed that they were acting out in the time they were in the store. Just that one tried to use the restroom and was told he had to buy something to use it. He did not buy anything so the employee started the removal process leading to police being called.
According to the black guys.
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I sure hope their long term "real estate" deal doesn't suffer because of this...
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abc "News". did anyone listen to the language they used? This is not about Starbucks or this phony incident.
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For reason... and good reason before it came to that.
They did not throw them out for being Black,, or Cuban or Haitian.. They were handled the same.
You don't make money in a bar by not selling drinks. and you handle drunks..You manage the problem..
And the drunk buys more tomorrow. Losing customers is losing money.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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Actually, I was talking about Starbucks' situation now.
If they apologize they lose; if they don't apologize they lose.
There is no way to fix this w/o a lot of backstabbing/name-calling/lies/innuendoes coming from either side, depending on how it's handled. Someone will always strive to be offended.
My personal experience with Starbucks has always been good- a performing group I was in as a kid performed there a lot & we were always treated well- and we were a mixture of races.
There is no spoon.
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Not the point.. the point is, if your sister kicked a black person out, not for being black, but for bad behavior - and they were accused of kicking them out for being black and your sister was murdered for that, how would you feel about that?
The fact is it is hard to know why somebody kicks somebody out of their place of business, unless you start policing people's thoughts - unless of course they say that is why they did it or it is a regular occurrence and they built up a track record maybe.. But this was a single occurrence.
Last edited by dannno; 04-19-2018 at 07:34 PM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
I have been involved in throwing people off aircraft. It was the Captain's call not mine. But I understood their reasoning. Me personally, I am fairly lenient. Travel these days can be stressful...and people drink, or on meds, etc.
Problem is a catch 22 sometimes, don't intervene after a flight attendant brings it to our attention, take no action, then it becomes a problem inflight...who are they gonna look at for brushing it off as innocent juvenile behavior? Plus not backing up your crew? That can have safety consequences later too. Federal Regulations are we are not to allow anyone "impaired". , drunk, etc. on our aircraft.
A longtime ago, a very drunk passenger was in the gate area on another airline I was trying to hitch a ride on. I brought it up to the Captain. He didn't seem to care. Now think of the jeopardy he just put himself in if anything happened later and he was told about that passenger by a fellow pilot. I kinda look the other way now if it is not my company. Sargent Schultz, unless it is too obvious to ignore, or it is AF, an Injun or a Nigerian.
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The Federalist Papers, No. 15:
Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
I keep seeing this so called free world looking more and more like the prison I got out of...
Right back to fighting with Aryan crowd.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
Last edited by Danke; 04-19-2018 at 08:06 PM.
Pfizer Macht Frei!
Openly Straight Man, Danke, Awarded Top Rated Influencer. Community Standards Enforcer.
Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!
Short Income Tax Video
The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes
The Federalist Papers, No. 15:
Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.
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Last edited by dannno; 04-19-2018 at 08:54 PM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
I feel like AF
Last edited by dannno; 04-19-2018 at 08:53 PM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Have we wasted enough time on this distraction yet?
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
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I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
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You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
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Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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This is your idea of the Aryan crowd??
I have never, to my knowledge, met a white supremacist in my entire life.. and my friend circle, since I was very young, until now, has been overly represented by minorities.
Starbucks is not the "borg". They are coffee shops. I know people who have worked there. When I said that was the first incident, I meant at that store. That manager had never had a prior incident or a history of making these decisions solely based on race. The one you pointed out wasn't very good evidence because there was no camera at the store when everything went down, only after the fact. Stores are under no obligation to allow you to use the restroom unless you are a customer acting in a reasonable manner. They may choose to allow people who are seem conducive to the atmosphere to use the restroom if they are unsure of their present or future customer status, regardless of their race, but may not allow people who are not conducive, regardless of their race. So a black guy could walk in and they might let him use the restroom, and then a scraggly white guy who looks homeless might walk in and maybe they don't. Which sucks, but it isn't their responsibility to take care of all the homeless in town. And it's really unfair to judge their individual decisions without all of the evidence or without some sort of history.
Last edited by dannno; 04-19-2018 at 08:57 PM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
// dude something is wrong with edit posts
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Bullcrap. In a free society the owner of the business retains the right to decide who he does business with. The correct term for what you are describing is fascism. That's where private parties are supposedly allowed to "own" a business but the government tells them how to run it.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
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