Starbucks in hot water for having cops remove two black men from Philly store

[Anti Federalist]

I do love when the Bolsheviks eat their own.

Starbucks has spent years cultivating their SJW street cred, only to have it all blown away in a matter of five minutes because someone called cops.

Do not call cops.

Nothing ever good comes from it.



Starbucks C.E.O. Apologizes After Arrests of 2 Black Men

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/15/u...en-arrest.html

By MATT STEVENSAPRIL 15, 2018

Two black men walked into a Starbucks in downtown Philadelphia on Thursday afternoon and sat down. Officials said they had asked to use the restroom but because they had not bought anything, an employee refused the request. They were eventually asked to leave, and when they declined, an employee called the police.

Some of what happened next was recorded in a video that has been viewed more than eight million times on Twitter and was described by the chief executive of Starbucks as “very hard to watch.” Details of the episode, which the authorities provided on Saturday, ignited widespread criticism on social media, incited anger among public officials and prompted investigations.

The video shows the men surrounded by several police officers wearing bicycle helmets in the Center City Starbucks. When one officer asks another man whether he is “with these gentlemen,” the man says he is and calls the episode ridiculous.

“What did they get called for?” asks the man, Andrew Yaffe, who is white, referring to the police. “Because there are two black guys sitting here meeting me?”

Moments later, officers escort one of the black men out of the Starbucks in handcuffs. The other soon follows.

The men, who have not been identified, were arrested on suspicion of trespassing. But Starbucks did not want to press charges and the men were later released, Commissioner Richard Ross Jr. of the Philadelphia Police Department said in a recorded statement on Saturday.

The prosecutor’s office in Philadelphia also reviewed the case and declined to charge the men because of “a lack of evidence that a crime was committed,” Benjamin Waxman, a spokesman for the office, said.

The company apologized on Twitter Saturday afternoon. Later that day, while the hashtag #BoycottStarbucks was trending on Twitter, Kevin R. Johnson, the chief executive of Starbucks, released a statement in which he called the situation a “reprehensible outcome.”

Mr. Johnson said he hoped to meet them in person to offer a “face-to-face apology.”

He also pledged to investigate, and to “make any necessary changes to our practices that would help prevent such an occurrence from ever happening again.”

[specsaregood]

They were told they were trespassing and asked to leave, they refused. The manage told them they were gonna call the cops and they said "I don't care."

$#@! em. They could have just bought some overpriced coffee and made everybody's day easier.

[Anti Federalist]

They were told they were trespassing and asked to leave, they refused. The manage told them they were gonna call the cops and they said "I don't care."

$#@! em. They could have just bought some overpriced coffee and made everybody's day easier.

It could have gone down a hundred different ways, that is one way, all better than dragging cops into it.

I find the justice deliciously poetic after Starbucks has made it a point for years now to try and ingratiate itself and position itself as the exclusive coffee suppliers of the perpetually aggrieved, Bolshevik, SJW left.

[dannno]

I find the justice deliciously poetic after Starbucks has made it a point for years now to try and ingratiate itself and position itself as the exclusive coffee suppliers of the perpetually aggrieved, Bolshevik, SJW left.

Starbucks Barista Fired for Getting Threats on Social Media

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...n-Social-Media

[Brian4Liberty]

Hmmm. Something fishy about this. Seems very unreasonable by the Starbucks employee. Was this a set-up?

[angelatc]

Hmmm. Something fishy about this. Seems very unreasonable by the Starbucks employee. Was this a set-up?

It's Philly. They are all belligerent jerks, remember?

[Brian4Liberty]

It's Philly. They are all belligerent jerks, remember?

Never been there. But I've heard that is the stereotype.

Seems like everyone is sitting around working on their laptops at most Starbucks. Much longer than it would take to drink a cup of coffee.

[specsaregood]

Hmmm. Something fishy about this. Seems very unreasonable by the Starbucks employee. Was this a set-up?

I would wager that the manager of a starbucks in center city Philly, has had to run off quite a few non-customers occupying space and non-customers trying to use the restrooms. I'd have run them off too, either buy something or get out is a pretty ordinary request from a business.

[angelatc]

I would wager that the manager of a starbucks in center city Philly, has had to run off quite a few non-customers occupying space and non-customers trying to use the restrooms. I'd have run them off too, either buy something or get out is a pretty ordinary request from a business.

Yeah. I do not think the cops did anything wrong even if the manager was a jerk. I don't know PA but in most places, restaurants have the right to ask you to leave for any reason they choose. The cops have the responsibility to enforce the law.

[pcosmar]

The cops have the responsibility to enforce the law.

Human Beings have responsibility for enforcing law..

Cops are Authoritarian Bully Boys,, with little concept of LAW OR JUSTICE..
IT IS HARD TO TELL WHO WAS MORE PHUCKED UP,, the management or the Pigs who responded.

[Madison320]

Human Beings have responsibility for enforcing law..

Cops are Authoritarian Bully Boys,, with little concept of LAW OR JUSTICE..
IT IS HARD TO TELL WHO WAS MORE PHUCKED UP,, the management or the Pigs who responded.

What should the cops have done differently?

[Anti Federalist]

Yeah. I do not think the cops did anything wrong even if the manager was a jerk. I don't know PA but in most places, restaurants have the right to ask you to leave for any reason they choose. The cops have the responsibility to enforce the law.

Nor do I.

The cops did what they are supposed to do...arrest people and $#@! up their day.

Call out a guy with a wrecking ball to kill a fly, and don't be surprised when house gets knocked down.

My point is simply this: by calling the cops you now have a PR nightmare that will takes months to die down and cost millions of dollars.

Calling the cops in any situation should be a very last resort.

[Brian4Liberty]

I would wager that the manager of a starbucks in center city Philly, has had to run off quite a few non-customers occupying space and non-customers trying to use the restrooms. I'd have run them off too, either buy something or get out is a pretty ordinary request from a business.

They might base that on the appearance of the people.

The given reason for them being there was a business meeting. Were they dressed for a "business investment opportunities" meeting? Doesn't seem like it.

(JTA) — The two black men arrested at a Starbucks in Philadelphia were waiting for a local Jewish businessman, Andrew Yaffe.
...
Yaffe, who runs a real estate development firm, was meeting the men to discuss business investment opportunities. In the video, he arrives at the Starbucks and tells police that they were waiting for him.

“Why would they be asked to leave?” Yaffe says on the video. “Does anybody else think this is ridiculous? It’s absolute discrimination.”
...
Read more: https://forward.com/fast-forward/398...-local-jewish/

[dannno]

They might base that on the appearance of the people.

The given reason for them being there was a business meeting. Were they dressed for a "business investment opportunities" meeting? Doesn't seem like it.

[jmdrake]

They might base that on the appearance of the people.

The given reason for them being there was a business meeting. Were they dressed for a "business investment opportunities" meeting? Doesn't seem like it.

I remember a job interview I went on for a nationwide computer consulting company when I first moved to Nashville. I had on a suit. The person interviewing me had on a polo shirt an tennis shorts. I'm black. He was white. I got the job.

I remember years before that I was at traffic court in Jackson Gap Alabama (speed trap capital of the world.) A young man was up for a DUI. He had on a suit. The attorney who successfully represented him had on a sports coat and blue jeans.

The idea that you can tell whether someone who comes to a meeting at a freaking Starbucks is really there for a business investment meeting based on how he is dressed is completely laughable! That said, this was probably one of those "Call this number to find out how to flip houses" kind of deals rather than a "Let's build the next Trump towers" business meeting.

Lastly, Starbucks business model is "Let people hang out, enjoy our free Wifi, and hopefully buy our overpriced food and drink" model rather than the "let's run people out if they aren't buying something" model. I've done Uber driving and at times I'd hang out at McDonald's waiting for the next ride. I'd buy a drink at least (just $1) and most of the time it was never a problem but sometimes they would go around and make people leave if they had been there longer than a certain amount of time. Usually businesses that feel that way have a sign up and that McD put one up. (They had homeless people who would actually go to sleep in there.)

It really depends on the business model and how it's being applied. If everyone is told "If you haven't recently bought something you have to leave" that's one thing. If the policy is selectively enforced that's another. That said Starbucks has a right to be stupid about its policy and people offended by it have a right not to go back. Free market goes both ways.

[specsaregood]

Usually businesses that feel that way have a sign up and that McD put one up. (They had homeless people who would actually go to sleep in there.)

And a starbucks in center city philly, is not going to be unfamiliar with either homeless people or black patrons. Which is why I was suspicious of this story from the get go. One is simply not going to ever be a manager of a store like that, in that location and be one who kicks people out just because of racism.

[Anti Federalist]

I would wager that the manager of a starbucks in center city Philly, has had to run off quite a few non-customers occupying space and non-customers trying to use the restrooms. I'd have run them off too, either buy something or get out is a pretty ordinary request from a business.

Twenty bucks says the manager is a POC.

[Raginfridus]

Twenty bucks says the manager is a POC.

Prime Oriental Cucumber?

[dannno]

Prime Oriental Cucumber?

Person of Character

[Anti Federalist]

Twenty bucks says the manager is a POC.

Turns out I was wrong:

Former Center City Starbucks Manager Suing Company for Alleged Discrimination Against White People

By CBS3 Staff October 31, 2019 at 1:00 pm

PHILADELPHIA (CBS) – The former regional manager of a Center City Starbucks where two black men were arrested last year for sitting inside the store is suing the company for allegedly discriminating against white people. In a lawsuit obtained by CBS3, Shannon Phillips claims she was fired less than a month after the high-profile incident because she is white.

She alleges the company discriminated in an effort to convince the community it properly responded to the incident.

Phillips’ lawyer, who refused to comment, is asking for a jury trial.

During the 2018 incident, Rashon Nelson and his business partner Donte Robinson were taken away from the Starbucks in handcuffs after a manager called police because the two had not made a purchase. Instead, the men told the manager they were waiting for a third person to arrive for a business meeting.

Protesters of the arrests believe the men were targeted because of their race.

A Starbucks spokesperson says they are ready to defend their case in court.

“We deny the claims of the lawsuit and are prepared to defend our case in court,” the spokesperson told CBS3.

[Anti Federalist]

Turns out I was wrong:

Former Center City Starbucks Manager Suing Company for Alleged Discrimination Against White People

By CBS3 Staff October 31, 2019 at 1:00 pm

PHILADELPHIA (CBS) – The former regional manager of a Center City Starbucks where two black men were arrested last year for sitting inside the store is suing the company for allegedly discriminating against white people. In a lawsuit obtained by CBS3, Shannon Phillips claims she was fired less than a month after the high-profile incident because she is white.

She alleges the company discriminated in an effort to convince the community it properly responded to the incident.

Phillips’ lawyer, who refused to comment, is asking for a jury trial.

During the 2018 incident, Rashon Nelson and his business partner Donte Robinson were taken away from the Starbucks in handcuffs after a manager called police because the two had not made a purchase. Instead, the men told the manager they were waiting for a third person to arrive for a business meeting.

Protesters of the arrests believe the men were targeted because of their race.

A Starbucks spokesperson says they are ready to defend their case in court.

“We deny the claims of the lawsuit and are prepared to defend our case in court,” the spokesperson told CBS3.

She won.

$25.6 million.


Starbucks Ordered to Pay $26 Million to Former Manager Who Alleged She Was Fired for Being White

https://themessenger.com/money/starb...or-being-white

Shannon Phillips was a regional manager in 2018 when two Black men were denied access to a Starbucks bathroom
Published 06/14/23 11:45 AM ET|Updated 2 hr ago
Laura Bratton

Starbucks was ordered to pay $25.6 million to a former regional manager Shannon Phillips, who was fired after a store in her region denied two Black men access to the bathroom and called the police on them.

The case filed by Phillips in 2019 alleged that she was fired because she was white, while Starbucks took no action to punish the Black manager, Paul Sykes, directly responsible for the store where the incident occurred. Phillips sued Starbucks under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act and the New Jersey Law Against Discrimination.

Starbucks’ attorneys argued that Phillips was replaced with another manager more capable of leading during crises, according to Law360.

The 2018 incident in Philadelphia, in which an employee called the police on two Black men who asked to use the bathroom before ordering, went viral on social media and prompted a number of company-wide trainings about racial bias. The region that Phillips oversaw included parts of New Jersey, Philadelphia, Maryland and Delaware.

A jury in the New Jersey federal court found that Phillips’ race was a decisive factor in Starbucks’ move to fire her and awarded her the damages on Monday.

Starbucks did not immediately respond to a request by The Messenger for comment.

[Schifference]

Simple solution. Have less tables and less seating.

[Jan2017]

Simple solution. Have less tables and less seating.

I am a Starbuck's customer regularly - during the winter at least.
Free refill, free (fast) wifi, lots of seating - open at 4:30am till 11pm - and I use the hot java + half and half with vanilla or chocolate
often enough for free food once a month or so.

They accommodate people whether they are a paying customer ordering and going - or seated while online - or just getting a water.
People may wander in to just to use the restroom but that is discouraged kinda.

But it is a business and like every other business I do not think it is usual for non-paying customers to just be able to take a seat
that a customer might prefer - one can NOT just sit in a McDonald's without buying at least a french fry ?

Why is this such big news (?) - Starbuck's didn't choose to press the trespassing charge -
oh, yeah - two POC get picked out as non-paying seated occupants that are trespassing - and were asked to leave - and refused (?)

It is probably not even the first time these two were trespassing and asked to leave (?)

[nobody's_hero]

I had this happen to me once. I stopped at a gas station and the rule was you had to buy something to use the restroom. Okay, whatever, gotta piss and get back on the road. I bought a newspaper so I could pee with dignity. The restrooms could have been a bit cleaner though.

Of course, I wasn't black so I couldn't cry foul. I just had to follow the rules, do my business, and leave.

I know, cool story right? I'm waiting on a movie deal.

Starbucks is anti-gun though. I wouldn't so much as take a piss in one.

[phill4paul]

I had this happen to me once. I stopped at a gas station and the rule was you had to buy something to use the restroom. Okay, whatever, gotta piss and get back on the road. I bought a newspaper so I could pee with dignity. The restrooms could have been a bit cleaner though.

Of course, I wasn't black so I couldn't cry foul. I just had to follow the rules, do my business, and leave.

I know, cool story right? I'm waiting on a movie deal.

Starbucks is anti-gun though. I wouldn't so much as take a piss in one.

Your white privilege allowed you to make enough money to buy a newspaper. Quitcherbitchin'.

[timosman]

The CEO said the personnel didn't have enough training and he is going to address the issue by providing employees with more training. This is going to be fun for everybody.

[tod evans]

$#@! Starbucks!

$#@! the two black men.

And $#@! the cops!

[Madison320]

Reason #14,249 not to own a business in the US, and why we can't compete with China.

[timosman]

Reason #14,249 not to own a business in the US, and why we can't compete with China.

+rep You might even start to think this is done on purpose by the members of the fifth column.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...e-Sanctioned-F

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

$#@! Starbucks!

$#@! the two black men.

And $#@! the cops!

LOL, but yeah, I'd probably go with this! + rep!