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    I have a personal advocacy re this story. My 13yo granddaughter and her girlfriend were 'caught' posting pictures and texting on a similar google 'phone' site 2 weeks ago. It caught her mother/my daughter totally by surprise.

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    https://www.fulcrumnews.com/blog/201...d-george-soros

    Popular sex advertising website Backpage.com was shut down and seized on Friday by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
    According to the notification, the website and its affiliates were seized under the enforcement of several other agencies
    including the U.S Attorney’s Office for the District of Arizona, the Internal Revenue Service, and the U.S. Department of Justice’s Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section.
    The founders of Backpage, Michael Lacey, Jim Larkin, and CEO Carl Ferrer, have been fighting a slew of legal battles the past few years.
    The owners are consistently accused of facilitating human trafficking on their website in a variety of different methods.



    The documentary film I am Jane Doe presents a detailed journey
    of multiple child sex trafficking victims and their families fighting for justice.
    According to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) 75% of child sex trafficking reports were derived from Backpage.
    Due to these numbers, this makes it the #1 used website for online child trafficking.
    For years, Backpage has been known to be a site in which sex traffickers gained easy access for the advertisement of women and children,
    making it a magnet for online trafficking crimes.



    In one personal story, a mother named Kubiiki Pride found her missing 13 year old daughter on Backpage
    with provocative pictures of her posted in the escorts section.
    Kubiiki Pride was forced to purchase her daughter back from the trafficker in order to secure her safe return home.
    Her trafficker was later jailed, however, Pride also expressed great concern for the website which remained unaccountable.

    After reaching out to the company, Pride states they refused to take down the explicit photographs of her daughter despite the imprisonment of her trafficker.
    Enraged at the inaction of the company, they decided to file a lawsuit claiming the site as well as parent company Village Voice Media Holdings,
    were complicit in the trafficking of children.

    Under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, it was ruled that Backpage should have no liability for the crimes committed on their site.
    Unfortunately, this was a common theme as the company continuously won numerous lawsuits in the past decade.

    Article Here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...affickers.html

    Lawyers working the cases were baffled, the company remaining unscathed seemed to be a “mystery.”
    But Backpage owners accumulated massive amounts of wealth over the years, making it nearly impossible to go up against them.
    In its initial stages, Backpage acquired a net income of $5 million annually;
    by 2015 they were making $153.8 million per year.




    Attorney Erik Bauer, representing underage children who were advertised in Seattle,
    was finally able to get his case to the Washington State Supreme Court.


    Their argument was that the company was deeply involved with assisting the traffickers in the creation of their content.
    Backpage appeared to have “coached” the criminals into using particular wording as to remain undetected by law enforcement.
    Their posting rules seemingly provided guidelines for traffickers to continue with their criminal activities.



    For example, the site would recommend posters spell out telephone numbers in order to make it difficult for the FBI to track.
    Additionally, they would advise them to utilize prepaid cards instead of debit or credit cards to stay anonymous.
    Additionally, the “Banned Terms List” was altered frequently.


    In a feigned effort to “crack down” on traffickers, Backpage stated they utilized a list of banned terms for their site.
    These terms included words such as “Teen” or “School Girl.”
    Yet no sooner was the list implemented, it was then reversed.


    Other times, if the words were not unbanned, common code language was promoted as a clear depiction of young children.
    In the end, judges ruled that the website did not “maintain neutral policies.” One judge implied the company was a “partner in crime” just as if they owned a site hosting “snuff films.”

    Link Here https://www.iamjanedoefilm.com/resources/





    By 2015, CEO Carl Ferrer was ordered to testify in front of a Senate Subcommittee on Child Trafficking.
    Ferrer disregarded his subpoena and failed to appear in court.
    He became one of the very few citizens to be held in Contempt of Congress.


    Meanwhile, a company-wide email was sent out laying off the majority of its moderators and advising to seek council immediately,
    should they be asked to testify.
    Ferrer was eventually arrested, however, a judge ruled this violated the CDA 230 and promptly released him.




    In 2016, the Backpage founders and CEO found themselves in another legal bind with pimping charges
    coming from California’s then-Attorney General Kamala Harris.
    The case, however, was quickly swept under the rug.


    In October, co-founder Jim Larkin donated $10,000 to Nancy Pelosi super PAC (House Majority PAC), a committee which also contributed to Clinton’s 2016 Presidential Campaign.
    Only 2 months, later the case was dropped by Sacramento Superior Court Judge Lawrence Brown who also cited CDA 230.
    According to The Washington Times, the owners have a history of being a major contributor in politics.
    Since 2010, they have been recorded as giving $99,000 to candidates and $95,000 to various Democratic parties.


    Link Herehttps://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/dec/17/nancy-pelosis-super-pac-keeps-donations-from-backp/


    Yet, politicians, judges, and super PACs aren't the only powerful entities who protected Backpage throughout the years.
    According to I am Jane Doe, several groups provided millions of dollars in financial support to Backpage during their legal battles.
    The main groups include the Electronic Frontier Foundation and The Center for Democracy and Technology.
    The Center for Democracy and Technology (CDT) contains the following major institutions:

    AT&T,
    Facebook,
    Ford Foundation,
    Google, Inc.
    MacArthur Foundation,
    Markle Foundation,
    Microsoft,
    Yahoo,
    and even the George Soros backed Open Society Institute.






    The majority of them provided millions of dollars in support
    to a company with serious serial accusations of child trafficking facilitation. Soros’ Open Society Institute donated nearly $2 million dollars to the CDT in 2014 alone.
    In 2017, Consumer Watchdog compiled a 48 page report entitled “How Google’s Backing of BackPage Protects Child Sex Trafficking.”

    Documents Here https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ns-from-backp/





    Google has also recently come under fire for insinuating child sex ads are “free speech.”
    They continuously refuse to distance themselves from Backpage even after a letter was sent
    to Eric Schmidt,
    to Larry Page
    and to Sundar Pichai
    from the parents of the victims pleading with them to cease their support.




    Now that the founders have been arrested following the raiding of their homes,
    there is much anticipation to see how many people this scandal will entrap and who will be the next major figure to fall.



    However, one thing is for certain. President Trump has taken the lead on halting the human trafficking epidemic;
    this is a fact the media can no longer hide.




    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...x-trafficking/

    With 80% of the child trafficking victims being advertised on Backpage,
    this is an enormous blow to the child trafficking industry.

    As Trump said, he plans to put “the full weight” of the government behind stopping these criminals,
    including seizing the assets of serious human rights abusers
    as stated in the recently signed Executive Order #13818.
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    I have a personal advocacy re this story. My 13yo granddaughter and her girlfriend were 'caught' posting pictures and texting on a similar google 'phone' site 2 weeks ago. It caught her mother/my daughter totally by surprise.
    Wow. That's a terrible shock. Hope you all caught it before anything happened.

    What is more concerning about the stories are the "pimps". Did the girls have someone pushing them into this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Wow. That's a terrible shock. Hope you all caught it before anything happened.

    What is more concerning about the stories are the "pimps". Did the girls have someone pushing them into this?
    No. It began as a lark. dialoging. texting/responding. then grew from there.
    the next step would be 'Let's meet a the mall' type thing...
    sick. sick. sick.

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    I can't imagine raising girls in the world today. Everything is so hyper-sexualized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    No. It began as a lark. dialoging. texting/responding. then grew from there.
    the next step would be 'Let's meet a the mall' type thing...
    sick. sick. sick.
    Ah. Yeah, the internet has "connected people", as Zuckerberg would say. Sometimes the wrong people. Children and teenagers can no longer afford to be naive on the internet. Every kid needs to be prepped as if they grew up in the inner city, not some nice suburb or rural area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I can't imagine raising girls in the world today. Everything is so hyper-sexualized.
    Anyone in the entire world can access them via the internet. That is a major change from the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post


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    Now I need to point out that this is the latest victimhood rage on the left. Keep hearing about this as a huge problem that needs to be addressed. We know where this leads. A regulated and controlled internet, where political speech is their highest priority, and things like teen prostitution never get addressed. And we need to point out, it's already illegal!

    The video:
    "OMG, there are naked pictures on the internet!" Better shut down the internet. Talk about manufactured outrage.

    Yes, if a website like Backpage refuses to take down posts with pictures of teens advertised for prostitution, then they should be liable, but that is only after it has been reported and they refuse to take action. Would a classified website refuse to take down other illegal offerings? "Heroin, dirt cheap, meet me behind Walmart." Seems that wouldn't be allowed.

    The point is that these things are already illegal, and new laws and regulation is no solution.
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    I am really sorry about what happened to your grand kid. But if you think shutting down backpage.com will help then don't know the world of sex trafficking. The truth is that the people who take kids right now to sell em for sex are not going to slow down because BP.com got taken down, they would most likely continue to take kids and instead of advertising them on a popular website where family members can find them, they will now go underground. So in the new reality, your grand kid would still be taken but now it would be much harder to find them. You know, if Trump wanted to take a big hit to child trafficking, all he had to do was make prostitution legal cos driving the market further underground would make things worse.

    Also, Trump is not a good guy and because of this, whatever he does should be first examined with the understanding that
    a) He is trying to help his neocon, big govt, zionist.... friends
    or b) He is trying to hurt you..

    In the case, I think he is mainly trying to help his big govt friend who think all your business transactions should be taxed and the state should get their cut and if the cant get their cut then said business should be shut down. I say this because the truth is that 99.999% of the people who post of backpage are consenting adults (the vast majority with daddy issues but who am I to judge) just trying to make a buck.

    This move is really not that different from when gun grabbers try to punish gun makers and seller for the crimes committed with their product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Now I need to point out that this is the latest victimhood rage on the left. Keep hearing about this as a huge problem that needs to be addressed. We know where this leads. A regulated and controlled internet, where political speech is their highest priority, and things like teen prostitution never get addressed. And we need to point out, it's already illegal!

    The video:
    "OMG, there are naked pictures on the internet!" Better shut down the internet. Talk about manufactured outrage.

    Yes, if a website like Backpage refuses to take down posts with pictures of teens advertised for prostitution, then they should be liable, but that is only after it has been reported and they refuse to take action. Would a classified website refuse to take down other illegal offerings? "Heroin, dirt cheap, meet me behind Walmart." Seems that wouldn't be allowed.

    The point is that these things are already illegal, and new laws and regulation is no solution.
    w/o going into too much philosophical or legal 'depth'.... (endless arguments)
    I suggest listening to the last part of the last Sen. Portman video addressing the point and purpose and drafting of SESTA.
    It was purposely crafted to be 'narrow' and not 'sweeping'.
    It is already having it's effect on similar sites shutting THEMSELVES down.
    Why?
    simple. They're taking their money and running... to avoid jail and asset seizure (see backpage.com)
    and
    to avoid the coming LOCAL lawsuits and prosecution now enabled by SESTA.
    I see it as the only way forward. Victims can now sue. good. end the 'profits'. done.
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    The Center for Democracy and Technology (CDT) contains the following major institutions:

    AT&T,
    Facebook,
    Ford Foundation,
    Google, Inc.
    MacArthur Foundation,
    Markle Foundation,
    Microsoft,
    Yahoo,
    and even the George Soros backed Open Society Institute.
    The Koch brothers are also listed as donors. https://cdt.org/financials/

    The Center for Democracy and Technology supported Rand Paul's fight against renewing the Patriot Act.

    http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...nd-pauls-hands

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...-koch-brothers

    Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) writes that controversial conservative donors Charles and David Koch have "always stood for freedom, equality and opportunity" in a tribute published by Time magazine on Thursday.

    “Consistent with their love of liberty, they have become prominent advocates for criminal-justice reform,” the 2016 GOP presidential candidate said in his short piece, published as part of the annual Time 100 list of influential people.


    “The Koch brothers’ investment in freedom-loving think tanks will carry on for generations, reminding all of us that ideas and convictions ultimately trump all else," he added.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center...and_Technology

    Center for Democracy & Technology (CDT) is a Washington, D.C.-based 501(c)(3) non-profit organization whose mission is to promote an open, innovative, and free Internet.[2]

    As an organization with expertise in law, technology, and policy, CDT works to preserve the unique nature of the Internet, enhance freedom of expression globally, protect fundamental rights of privacy, and stronger legal controls on government surveillance by finding practical and innovative solutions to public policy challenges while protecting civil liberties.
    The battle against applying the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) to the Internet - expanding law enforcement wiretapping capabilities by requiring telephone companies to design their networks to ensure a certain basic level of government access - spurred the creation of CDT in 1994.[4] Recognizing a threat to privacy and innovation in CALEA's design mandates, CDT fought the passage of the CALEA and later worked to ensure that its implementation would not extend to the Internet. In the end, CALEA did not contain wiretapping design mandates for the Internet and required transparency surrounding design standards. Today, CDT leads a strong coalition that fights CALEA expansion, issuing reports by leading security experts that demonstrate how the FBI's latest wiretapping proposal would undermine cybersecurity. CDT's launch was assisted by seed donations from AT&T Corporation, Bell Atlantic, Nynex, Apple, and Microsoft.[5]

    CDT utilizes an expertise-based advocacy model and acts as a non-partisan convener to bring all parties with a stake in the Internet to the table. CDT advises government officials, agencies, corporations, and civil society on the policy action that will maintain the open and free nature of the Internet. CDT often works with legislators on controversial legislation. For example, CDT offered opinions on the rework of the Internet Integrity and Critical Infrastructure Protection Act of 2000 (S.2448),[6] a computer-crime bill introduced in the 106th Congress by Senators Orrin Hatch, Patrick Leahy, and Chuck Schumer.
    They also oppose censorship of the internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The Koch brothers are also listed as donors. https://cdt.org/financials/

    The Center for Democracy and Technology supported Rand Paul's fight against renewing the Patriot Act.

    http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...nd-pauls-hands
    Hence the eternal tug-o-war between 'freedom' and law enforcement/prosecution.

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    I have to deal with this every day...
    my 3yo grandson's 'freedom' to run stark naked into the street and my 'enforcement' back into the house. hahaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Now I need to point out that this is the latest victimhood rage on the left. Keep hearing about this as a huge problem that needs to be addressed. We know where this leads. A regulated and controlled internet, where political speech is their highest priority, and things like teen prostitution never get addressed. And we need to point out, it's already illegal!

    The video:
    "OMG, there are naked pictures on the internet!" Better shut down the internet. Talk about manufactured outrage.

    Yes, if a website like Backpage refuses to take down posts with pictures of teens advertised for prostitution, then they should be liable, but that is only after it has been reported and they refuse to take action. Would a classified website refuse to take down other illegal offerings? "Heroin, dirt cheap, meet me behind Walmart." Seems that wouldn't be allowed.

    The point is that these things are already illegal, and new laws and regulation is no solution.
    This.

    This is politically motivated and will do little to nothing to affect child sex trafficking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    This is politically motivated and will do little to nothing to affect child sex trafficking.
    I disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    I disagree.
    And of the more prominent websites that inadvertently 'engage in promoting child pornography' and/or 'engage in promoting child sex trafficking?'

    Facebook, Youtube, Google, Yahoo, etc.

    You see, when you are loose with words, they become descriptors of everything.

    And as well, there is a reason why Backpage was taken down and not these other 'promoters,' 'advertisers', and 'profiteers' of child pornography and prostitution.

    Might Backpage's departure be because of their open marketplace private sales of firearms and firearms accessories?
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    https://gizmodo.com/backpage-ceo-ple...erm-1825236756

    The Federal Bureau Investigation seized Backpage.com on April 6th, a move commended by the Department of Justice. “For far too long, Backpage.com existed as the dominant marketplace for illicit commercial sex, a place where sex traffickers frequently advertised children and adults alike,” Attorney General Jeff Sessions said in a statement on Thursday. “But this illegality stops right now.”

    Lawmakers have pointed at Backpage as a rationale for introducing both the Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act (FOSTA) and Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act (SESTA) this year. The intention of the bills is to fight online sex trafficking, but some argue that they will increase online censorship and endanger sex workers by taking away a forum to discuss violent clients as well as pushing them from safe online spaces to the streets. Donald Trump signed the bill into law on Wednesday.

    The Sex Workers Outreach Project noted in a statement that services like Backpage provide sex workers with a place to freely discuss potentially dangerous clients, establish boundaries with clients ahead of time, and protect them from police abuse and violence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    And of the more prominent websites that inadvertently 'engage in promoting child pornography' and/or 'engage in promoting child sex trafficking?'

    Facebook, Youtube, Google, Yahoo, etc.

    You see, when you are loose with words, they become descriptors of everything.

    And as well, there is a reason why Backpage was taken down and not these other 'promoters,' 'advertisers', and 'profiteers' of child pornography and prostitution.

    Might Bacpkpage's departure be because of their open marketplace private sales of firearms and firearms accessories?
    I haven't explored the language.
    It took years to 'craft'.
    The enactors say that it's narrow.
    The detractors say that it's vague.
    I
    don't
    know.

    Better to read it than to post politically weaponized 'opinions'... otherwise this thread will become... yunno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    Background
    ...
    Watched it.

    He starts out talking about children, and before he is done, it's "women and children". The goal posts are already moving. The slippery slope has started. So it's now about all prostitution, even if they are 60 years old.

    There is a problem if a website or tool is actively selling something that is illegal. What do they do about illegal drugs? Did law enforcement also have a problem enforcing that? How was it solved? Portman is saying that all internet content was protected by a law, and he wants an exception for child trafficking. Is there an exception for illegal drugs? Illegal guns? Other illegal things?

    I am not up on all of the details involved. What are all of these websites that are now shutting down? Was there a lot of them? Was this a big thing, which some of us never knew about? Kids use apps like Snapchat, was it happening on there?

    Will have to defer to @dannno for the latest trends.

    Obviously efforts to identify and help anyone being forced into prostitution is a good thing. But aren't the laws already in place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    I haven't explored the language.
    It took years to 'craft'.
    The enactors say that it's narrow.
    The detractors say that it's vague.
    I
    don't
    know.

    Better to read it than to post politically weaponized 'opinions'... otherwise this thread will become... yunno.
    I was just commenting in general. Don't mind me.

    As another general comment, the language of a bill matters less and less with every year passed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    And of the more prominent websites that inadvertently 'engage in promoting child pornography' and/or 'engage in promoting child sex trafficking?'

    Facebook, Youtube, Google, Yahoo, etc.

    You see, when you are loose with words, they become descriptors of everything.

    And as well, there is a reason why Backpage was taken down and not these other 'promoters,' 'advertisers', and 'profiteers' of child pornography and prostitution.

    Might Backpage's departure be because of their open marketplace private sales of firearms and firearms accessories?
    From the bill: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...ouse-bill/1865

    Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act of 2017

    (Sec. 2) This bill expresses the sense of Congress that section 230 of the Communications Act of 1934 was not intended to provide legal protection to websites that unlawfully promote and facilitate prostitution and websites that facilitate traffickers in advertising the sale of unlawful sex acts with sex trafficking victims. Section 230 limits the legal liability of interactive computer service providers or users for content they publish that was created by others.

    (Sec. 3) The bill amends the federal criminal code to add a new section that imposes penalties—a fine, a prison term of up to 10 years, or both—on a person who, using a facility or means of interstate or foreign commerce, owns, manages, or operates an interactive computer service (or attempts or conspires to do so) to promote or facilitate the prostitution of another person.

    Additionally, it establishes enhanced penalties—a fine, a prison term of up to 25 years, or both—for a person who commits the offense in one of the following aggravating circumstances: (1) promotes or facilitates the prostitution of five or more persons, or (2) acts with reckless disregard that such conduct contributes to sex trafficking.

    A person injured by an aggravated offense may recover damages and attorneys' fees in a federal civil action.
    "facilitate" is a broad term. It could cover any website which could knowingly or even unknowing have somebody use it to promote sexual activity. Could include any dating site or any site with advertising.

    (more details of the bill at the link)

    Even this website could be found guilty. Those pop up banner adds sometimes include "dating" ads. "Meet Russia women!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    And of the more prominent websites that inadvertently 'engage in promoting child pornography' and/or 'engage in promoting child sex trafficking?'

    Facebook, Youtube, Google, Yahoo, etc.

    You see, when you are loose with words, they become descriptors of everything.

    And as well, there is a reason why Backpage was taken down and not these other 'promoters,' 'advertisers', and 'profiteers' of child pornography and prostitution.

    Might Backpage's departure be because of their open marketplace private sales of firearms and firearms accessories?
    Good questions. The fact that this could be applied to Youtube came to mind. And Backpage had a firearms section? Interesting. I believe Craigslist explicitly bans any gun sales on their website.

    Not that this would be the best source for information, but Tosh.0 has exposed some sketchy things on Youtube that are not banned or censored. Seems like Youtube will eventually fall under this new law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Anyone in the entire world can access them via the internet. That is a major change from the past.
    I hesitate to even discuss it here, because there's little doubt this will quickly evolve into yet another He-Man Woman Haters Club fest. But when I was a girl, there were pictures of naked women around. They were under Dads bed, under Granpa's car seat, buried in a sock drawer. We all knew there were girls who did such shocking things, but there weren't so many of them in our daily lives.

    And there's always been pimps hanging out at the bus and train stations in the big city looking for runaway teens, both boys and girls. Shutting Backpage down is just a blip in the radar. It won't make a dent in the underage prostitution numbers, but it will keep three nasty ass old men from getting rich off it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Good questions. The fact that this could be applied to Youtube came to mind. And Backpage had a firearms section? Interesting. I believe Craigslist explicitly bans any gun sales on their website.

    Not that this would be the best source for information, but Tosh.0 has exposed some sketchy things on Youtube that are not banned or censored. Seems like Youtube will eventually fall under this new law.
    I am pretty sure eBay was the genesis. The retailers were trying to make eBay (and other sites by extension, but eBay was the biggest player at the time) financially responsible for the counterfeit goods that were on the site.
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    From the bill: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...ouse-bill/1865

    "facilitate" is a broad term. It could cover any website which could knowingly or even unknowing have somebody use it to promote sexual activity. Could include any dating site or any site with advertising.

    (more details of the bill at the link)

    Even this website could be found guilty. Those pop up banner adds sometimes include "dating" ads.
    Ah, that reminds me of something. A single friend was telling me about his experience with dating sites. He says that are now filled with foreign scammers and prostitution. Guess the foreign scammers set-up profiles that say they are local, but then after interacting with them for a while they reveal that they live in Russia and need some money for various things or so they can "travel to the US".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Good questions. The fact that this could be applied to Youtube came to mind. And Backpage had a firearms section? Interesting. I believe Craigslist explicitly bans any gun sales on their website.

    Not that this would be the best source for information, but Tosh.0 has exposed some sketchy things on Youtube that are not banned or censored. Seems like Youtube will eventually fall under this new law.
    Yes, Backpage had a substantial private firearms marketplace. Ammunition for cheap too. You cannot sell guns or ammo on Craigslist.

    Reading the snippet that Zippy posted, it also seems that this bill is more about prostitution in general and less about child trafficking and forced prostitution.

    Interesting to note that Backpage was largely (or even mostly) dormant in many cities. Being founded in Phoenix, the website did however have a large user base in Nevada (where prostitution is mostly legal).
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I am pretty sure eBay was the genesis. The retailers were trying to make eBay (and other sites by extension, but eBay was the biggest player at the time) financially responsible for the counterfeit goods that were on the site.
    Ah, good point. Counterfeit goods. So there was this law supposedly preventing law enforcement and the courts from doing anything about websites selling things (per Portman). What happened with counterfeit goods?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Anyone in the entire world can access them via the internet.
    And vice versa. They do have agency of their own, after all.

    I think that it will be a decade before it's clear whether the effects of this are, on the whole, good or bad.
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    I don't know enough about backpage or the new law so I will just speak to general principles.

    Prostitution involving consenting adults is a crime according to classical conservative thought because it is blatant immorality that will bring the curses of GOD on the nation if it is allowed, libertarianism says that it and all other strictly moral issues are beyond the scope of government and should be left to the individual, libertarians will point to the problems caused for prostitutes when driven underground to say that government is only making things worse and conservatives will say that immorality brings consequences and if being a whore is more unpleasant less people will make that choice, if prostitution is going to be illegal then the customers should be subject to the same penalties as the whores and pimps but usually they aren't, it is a question that should be left to the states or local jurisdictions.

    Prostitution of underage children should be illegal since they are not yet responsible, the legal age of consent exists for valid practical reasons, you can argue about where it should be set but there is a lower limit that you can't breach without being a pervert.

    If someone facilitates underage prostitution after being alerted to it the site should be shut down and they should go to jail, if they do the same for ordinary prostitution in a jurisdiction that outlaws it then they should also be shut down and they should go to jail.
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